13 Replies Latest reply on Dec 16, 2013 5:35 AM by Peter Spier

    AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2

    Melpath01 Level 1

      Thanks Peter Spiers.

      I have checked the document color mode was set to CMYK and the file is created in spot colors. Previously I was using CS5.5 and have moved to CC recently. The logo artwork was created ages ago, maybe even as early as CS3?

        • 1. Re: AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2
          Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

          So, do you still have a question? As we said in your other thread, it is normal in CS6 and CC to see spot colors defined as Lab. If they need to be converted to CMYK, Lab give a more accurate conversion across multiple profiles than a single CMYK definition.

          • 2. Re: AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2
            Melpath01 Level 1

            Hi Peter, thanks for the reply.

            My problem occurs with printing the Indesign file in-house. The logo prints in dodgy colours. When I place the logo into ID it brings the LAB swatches into the swatch palette. There is no changing the palette as the swatch options opens up but is greyed out (inactive). Melinda

            • 3. Re: AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2
              Melpath01 Level 1

              We use a commercial OCE printer, takes up a whole office

              • 4. Re: AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2
                Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                If the spot colors are printing "dodgy" you are either not using the correct output profile for the Oce, or there is double color management going on.

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                • 5. Re: AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2
                  Melpath01 Level 1

                  The colours also look different on screen, Prior to changing to CC we had no trouble with the printer. How do I correct the output profile for the OCE?

                  Thanks again.

                  • 6. Re: AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2
                    Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                    Do you have a custom output profile?

                     

                    Have you looked closely at the settings you are uisng in CC and the ones you used in CS5.5 to see if they are identical?

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                    • 7. Re: AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2
                      Melpath01 Level 1

                      Under assign profiles the default settings are RGB profile>Assign current working space: sRGB IEC1966-2.1

                      and CMYK profile>Assign current workind space: U.S.  Web coated (SWOP) v2. THe last three are all on Use color settings intent.

                      No custom output profile.

                      • 8. Re: AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2
                        Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                        Tjose are the default color settings for US installations and are not necessarliy the correct settings for your equipment. You also need to check waht you ahve set inthe print dialog (if printing direct from ID), or in the export dialog and Acrobat print settings if you use PDF. Upi should check the same settings frrom CS5.5.

                         

                        I cannot tell you what the correct settings are for your equipment.

                        • 10. Re: AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2
                          Melpath01 Level 1

                          Can you see anything in this?

                           

                           

                          Print Preset: [Custom]
                          Printer: \\mpscolntv21\mpscolgp87 - Fiery PRO80 65-55C-KM PS3.0
                          PPD: Fiery PRO80 65-55C-KM PS Color Server 3.0
                          PPD File: C:\Windows\system32\spool\DRIVERS\x64\3\EF604764.PPD

                          General
                              Copies: 1
                              Collate: N/A
                              Reverse Order: Off
                              Pages: All
                              Sequence: All Pages
                              Spreads: Off
                              Print Master Pages: Off
                              Print Layers: Visible & Printable Layers
                              Print Non-printing Objects: Off
                              Print Blank Pages: Off
                              Print Visible Guides and Baseline Grids: Off

                          Setup
                              Paper Size: A3
                              Paper Width: 297.039 mm
                              Paper Height: 420.158 mm
                              Page Orientation: Portrait
                              Paper Offset: N/A
                              Paper Gap: N/A
                              Transverse: N/A
                              Scaling: 100%
                              Constrain Proportions: On
                              Page Position: Upper Left
                              Thumbnails: Off
                              Tiling: Off

                          Marks and Bleed
                              Crop Marks: Off
                              Bleed Marks: Off
                              Registration Marks: Off
                              Color Bars: Off
                              Page Information: Off
                              Printer Mark Type: Default
                              Crop Mark Weight: 0.25 pt
                              Mark Offset from Page: 2.117 mm
                              Use Document Bleed Settings: Off
                              Bleed Top: 0 mm
                              Bleed Bottom: 0 mm
                              Bleed Left: 0 mm
                              Bleed Right: 0 mm
                              Include Slug Area: Off

                          Output
                              Color: Composite CMYK
                              Text As Black: Off
                              Trapping: N/A
                              Flip: None
                              Negative: N/A
                              Screening: Default
                              Simulate Overprint: Off

                          Graphics
                              Send Data: Optimized Subsampling
                              Download: Complete
                              Download PPD Fonts: On
                              PostScript®: Level 3
                              Data Format: ASCII

                          Color Management
                              Document Profile: U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2
                              Color Handling: Let InDesign Determine Colors
                              Printer Profile: Coated FOGRA27 (ISO 12647-2:2004)
                              Preserve CMYK Numbers: On
                              Proof Profile: N/A
                              Simulate Paper Color: N/A

                          Advanced
                              Print &as Bitmap: N/A
                              Bitmap Resolution: N/A
                              OPI Image Replacement: Off
                              EPS: Off
                              PDF: Off

                          • 11. Re: AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2
                            Melpath01 Level 1

                            When I start a new ID document and place our logo file into it, the LAB swatches appear in the swatch palette. I can change them out of spot so the dot in the little grey square is converted to the flat looking grainy square which turns it into CMYK. Is this a problem in a print document to a commercial printer?

                            • 12. Re: AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2
                              Danny Whitehead. Level 4

                              An Océ machine? That PPD looks like it's for a Konica Minolta. Anyway, it has a Fiery controller, is that corrrect? Do you have Command Workstation installed on you machine? If so, could you post the colour settings for the machine? Open Command Workstation, go to Device Centre, then Color Setup. If you could post a screenshot of that flow chart, I might be able to suggest better colour settings in your Adobe apps.

                               

                              You probably still won't match what you were getting from Pantone's old CMYK values, though. The aim should be to get as close as possible the the actual solid ink, and Pantone's CMYK numbers only did that for Pantone's specific printing conditions, not ours.

                              • 13. Re: AI linked files in wrong colorspace in ID - 2
                                Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                Melpath01 wrote:

                                 

                                What is Upi?

                                It's my terrible typing late at night. It was supposed to be "You."

                                 

                                I think, as Danny has pointed out in his response, that your problem is probably that you are trying to match specific CMYK values generated by conversion in CS5.5, and CS6 uses the Lab values instead to generate the best possible CMYK values for the output device, so you are trying, in essences to match a sub-par conversion. You could probably achieve this by defining new swatches in CS6 that are defined first as CMYK using the book values you want, then convert them to spot colors. Now use the Ink Manager to alias the original spot colors to your new swatches.