Here Build a Desktop Video Editing PC
-3 price level ideas in http://www.pacifier.com/~jtsmith/ADOBE.HTM
-what PC to build http://forums.adobe.com/thread/947698
-2 how to build videos http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1104182
-another video http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1145366
-another video http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1132363
-planning & Building http://ppbm7.com/index.php/intro-part-1
-memory for LGA2011 http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1098759
-an Adobe FAQ http://forums.adobe.com/thread/878520
-several more links http://forums.adobe.com/thread/815798
-build tuning http://ppbm7.com/index.php/final-results
Thanks for the links - I needed some light bedtime reading.
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The 780 Ti is likely an overkill for the majority of users; a 760 or 770 won't be noticeably slower in most rendering and exports.
What are the file formats your editor is working with? dSLR? Also, lots of exporting? For simple timelines (mostly single video layer) a single media drive should be enough - yet if it gets more complex (even PiP) - consider getting several drives in putting them in a RAID0 - or even RAID5.
Other than that, the configuration looks good.
Nikon DSLR files + files from Panasonic AG-AC90 - Occasionaly from an older Sony DV tape cameras as well.
A layer of effects on the files is usually what my editor does. The current computer systems get agonizingly slow when the Neat Video plugin is applied to any of the clips. Would the 780 Ti be a help in the extreme case scenario where you have a lot of effects on a clip + Neat Video applied as well?
Even on the best machines Neat Video noise reduction takes a long time.
Oh really. I didn't know that. Maybe a way to check the "Neat-free" capabilities of my machines would be to edit clips with some basic effects and see what the render/export times are like.
Maybe I don't have to update my machines for the next little while
You probably will still have to update the GPU:
What you have is a grossly imbalanced system even by 2011 (the year Sandy Bridge was introduced) standards. That 9500 GT actually dates back over five years, not just "3-3.5 years" as you stated. And it was a fairly low-end GPU even by 2008 standards, with most coming with only 256MB or 512MB of VRAM (which is not enough VRAM to even enable GPU acceleration in MPE at all). And even if your card had 1GB of VRAM, it was of the slow DDR3 type (memory bandwidth of only 25.6 GB/s) and the GPU itself had only 32 CUDA cores (which is pretty weak even by 2008 standards, and severely outdated by the time that i7-2600 was introduced). In fact, Bill Gehrke tested the 9500 GT (with 1GB of DDR3 VRAM), and it was practically useless for video editing, with timeline rendering performance and H.264 Blu-ray and MPEG-2 DVD encoding performance dramaticially slower than with slightly higher-end GPUs.
Couple that with your 5400 RPM disks that likely cannot sustain even 100 MB/s on the outer tracks, and you definitely overspent on the CPU and RAM (or put it in converse, you underspent on the GPU and disks). My suggestion would be to upgrade your data disks ASAP to the new Seagate 7200.14 drives with a capacity of 1TB to 3TB, and also update (upgrade) your GPU to a GeForce GTX 650 or a GTX 650 Ti (this will make for a better balanced system configuration). No need to spend a ton of money for an overkill GTX 780 Ti when you can get a GTX 650 Ti and three or four 3TB 7200.14 drives for the price of just a single GTX 780 Ti.
1TB Samsung Evo SSD
3TB HDD (7200 RPM)
The Samsung 840 EVO SSD are ok for read speed operations but they are lousy for write speeds. If you want a great all around SSD go for the Samsung 840 Pro SSD's.
If you are going to use the 3 TB drive for archiving that is fine but you really want more than 2 drives (one hard drive and one SSD) in a new system see this info scroll down the page for "Guidelines for Disk Usage".
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You might want to go ahead and replace all those GPU's with current generation GTX 7xx as they will improve performance and they are portable to newer systems when you acquire them
Maybe a way to check the "Neat-free" capabilities of my machines would be to edit clips with some basic effects and see what the render/export times are like.
Perfect. It doesn't hurt that it's free.
Thanks for the link. I am not very knowledgable about SSD differences especially becasue the Intel 256GB SSD I have is fast enough to handle LR5 and PhotoshopCS6. The only reason I was looking at the Evo 1TB was the large capcity. I had thought I would install two SSDs, the smaller one with the OS on it, the second one for the raw data (images, video clips, etc) and install the CS6 Suite on it too and then have a 3TB HDD for output files.
After reading through the link and some other feedback, this is what I am thinking of at the moment regarding the storage setup.
1 small SSD (40 GBish) for OS
1 Samsung Pro 256GB(at least) for the installation of CS Suite
2 2TB 7400 RPM HDDs in some sort of RAID configuration to boost the performance.
32GB RAM instead of 16GB (4X8 chips rather than 16X2)
Thanks everyone for your help so far.
I think that CS6 will need to be installed on the OS drive.
Yes, just forget the small SSD drive and load the OS and Adobe on the Samsung Pro
This is what I have so far (http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2usi1) I will be ordering a build very soon. Still debating back and forth on a couple of things which are listed below:
1): i7 3930K vs 4930K (former is on sale for $150 less than the latter). Not sure how much more performance in Premiere I am going to get with the latter. It seems like the 3930K is still one of the best CPUs for NLE systems. I guess because it has 6 cores and also base on Harm's notes on "Balanced Systems", it seems I should go with the 3930K.
2): I am not comfortable with overclocking as I have never done this. Which makes me feel unesy about the idea of having a liquid cooler for the CPU. I have been to two other local retailers and they both suggested air cooling only. Although I must admit I have seen so many threads on this forum where people have very stable OC'd CPU+GP combination. If I don't OC, would it be like buying a sports car and never going beyond 3rd gear?
3): If you are wondering why I have added so many HDDs (than what I initially said I would), it is a result of having read a lot of threads on this forum (especially those from Harm). This is the breakdown of the disks:
128GB SSD for the OS + Programs
240GB for scratch disk (Is this enough to be a scratch disk?)
4X 1TB RAID 0 for Media Source
2X 2TB RAID 0 for Export
Other thoughts: I was hoping the build would come at $3000 after taxes but I guess I won't be able to. Prices must have really increased since 2012/early 2013 because others (on this forum) seem to have built a similar set up for around $2700-ish. If it has to be $3500, maybe I should get the 3930K instead of 4930K and increase the RAM to 64GB? I will still be in the $3500 range.
Have you read Harm's Tweakers Page - What kind of PC to use? and specifically the 'Low-end Warrior', which is more or less around your target budget. 4 disks in raid0 would be a bit much to my taste, because of the risk of failure, which is 4 times greater than a single disk. Overclocking is easy (with good cooling) and makes a significant difference. The 4930K is around 7-10% faster than a 3930K.
I had seen that page. For whatever reason, I spent an hour looking at those numbers and pie-charts but I missed that BFTB table. You are right about the low-end Warrior system. It seems I can shave off some of the equipment from my list. Very interesting to note that even with the newer 4930K, Harm is still coupling it with GTX 760 and nothing higher even in the Warrior system! He obviously knows what he is doing. I will see if I can get something in the middle of low-end and Warrior builds.
Thanks for the heads-up on the RAID system. I have never had RAIDs before so I a complete noob!