38 Replies Latest reply: Jan 11, 2014 9:26 PM by Noel Carboni RSS

    Quadro or FirePro

    Grousehunter 12

      Are there any known problems with Nvidia Quadro or AMD FirePro cards in PS CC or LR5 ? Anyone running these on a 10 bit monitor without any performance issues , if so which card and model ? Is one card a better performer than the other ?

        • 1. Re: Quadro or FirePro
          Trevor.Dennis MVP

          JJ Mac uses a Quadro with Windows (I believe 7)  Operating system is probably crucial as Windows 8.1 has been problematic with some graphic card drivers.

           

          But I have to ask why you are considering those cards?  You wouldn't need them for Photoshop, but Premiere Pro and After Effects would make use of them.  Personally, I prefer high end nVidia GTX cards over the Quadro.  Head over to the Premiere Pro Hardware forum for truly informed opinion on system building for Adobe applications.

           

          http://forums.adobe.com/community/premiere/hardware_forum

           

          Also check out the Video Guys DIY build guides.  This is a good time to be system building for graphics applications

          • 2. Re: Quadro or FirePro
            Grousehunter 12 Community Member

            Trevor.Dennis wrote:

             

            But I have to ask why you are considering those cards?  You wouldn't need them for Photoshop, but Premiere Pro and After Effects would make use of them.  Personally, I prefer high end nVidia GTX cards over the Quadro.  Head over to the Premiere Pro Hardware forum for truly informed opinion on system building for Adobe applications.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            I wouldn't if the GTX card supported 10 bit color . My computer is now running an old GTX 260 , which seems to work fine , what little I have played with PS CC . I have had Lightroom 4 for a couple of years , updated to LR5 a couple of months ago . The old GTX always worked fine with those

            . I have a 10 bit monitor due to arrive this week . I can't see having 10 bit without using it . My old GTX will power the new monitor at 8 bits . I am beginning to update my computer , which is an Asus gaming model . I have been watching the Premiere Pro hardware forum , even asked a few questions . No one has answered my questions about PS CC from that forum , they have answered hardware questions .

            • 3. Re: Quadro or FirePro
              JJMack MVP

              I have a old Quadro 4000 only because it was included in a workstation I purchased at a great price.  Its not needed for good Photoshop Performance.  The Card will also not drive a 4K display.  The newer Quadro K4000 can.  The 4000 and K4000 cost $700. The same price as a GTX 780 Ti screamer. I do not have a good Display yet...

               

              I have had no problems with any Nividia Driver I have installed. I have install evey new one released.  I only install ATI drivers on my other system that have been reported good by users like Noel.   Both manufactures make good hardware and compete with each other.  Nvidia seem to test drivern better then AMD test their ATI drivers.

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              • 4. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                JJMack wrote:

                 

                I have a old Quadro 4000 only because it was included in a workstation I purchased at a great price.  Its not needed for good Photoshop Performance.  The Card will also not drive a 4K display.  The newer Quadro K4000 can.  The 4000 and K4000 cost $700. The same price as a GTX 780 Ti screamer. I do not have a good Display yet...

                 

                I have had no problems with any Nividia Driver I have installed. I have install evey new one released.  I only install ATI drivers on my other system that have been reported good by users like Noel.   Both manufactures make good hardware and compete with each other.  Nvidia seem to test drivern better then AMD test their ATI drivers.

                 

                The Quadro 4000 & K4000 are a couple that I am considering . I might never drive a 4K display , my new display ls 2560 x 1440 . Does your 4000 perform well with photoshop ? I have found a couple of threads here that say many are not able to get 10 bit color from Quadro or FirePro cards ln PS CC . Adobe is saying it's card problem , card companies say it's Adobe problem . I am holding off buying a new card until I get some answers , my old GTX 260 will drive display until I can get those answers . Life would be much easier if the GTX cards did 10 bit in PS .

                • 5. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                  JJMack MVP

                  I think I read that the Linux GTX drivers support 10 bit. there is some 10 bit Windows stuff but not for pro applications like Premier and Photoshop.  I see a lot of Adobe finger point when there is hardware and operating system involved. In other words there is always some finger being pointed which one are you using????

                   

                   

                  Photoshop does not use the GPU for much Premier Pro with After effects would. Photoshop does not need a screamer. Every thing in Photoshop operates smooth rotation liquify is fast and smooth if there is a studder or a black box happens it not something I remember seeing I usually  notice thing that are not normal... Thing like large wet brushes have noticeable lag. However that is more a processor speed thing for that type of process does not benefit from multi threads and processors it more a sequencial process.

                   

                  The k4000 and 4000 both go for $700 the K4000 is faster has more vram and supports more displays up to 4 and does 4k.  The 4000 is old don't get unless you get it cheap.  I feel mine was free.

                  I got my system from dell's outlet it was all of three months old. I wanted cheep dual 6 core xeons E5-2620 or 2630 + SSD a Fast Disk and a dvd.   The 4000 was gravy.

                   

                  Dell Outlet Precision Fixed Workstation T5600, 825W Tower

                  Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit Operating System DVD

                  Processor: Intel Xeon Dual Six Core E5-2620 Processor (2.0GHz, 15M, 7.2 GT/s,Turbo)

                  2GB NVIDIA Quadro 4000, Dual Monitor, 2DP & 1DVI (max resolution 2560x1600 two)

                  8GB, DDR3 RDIMM Memory, 1600MHz, ECC (4 DIMMS)

                  PERC H310 RAID Controller

                  256 GB Solid State Drive

                  500 GB SATA, 3.5 Inch, 10K Hard Drive

                  8X DVD +/- RW Optical Drive

                  English  Keyboard

                  Dell USB Optical Mouse

                  Precision T5600: 3 Year Basic Hardware Service with 3 Year

                     $2,029.00 Dell Outlet      

                  + $180 4TB external USB3 Disk

                  + $316 32GB ECC memory 

                  Total $2,525,00

                  • 6. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                    Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                    I am pointing middle finger , I just have to point it at some that it's not their problem , I don't know whose problem it is . I have a chance to purchase a FirePro V7900 at about 50-60% of the retail price if I could get an answer . The V7900 is a very well spec'd high end card . Is anyone getting 10 bit with a FirePro in PS CC ?

                    • 7. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                      Semaphoric Community Member

                      I have a Firepro V4900. At first, I was having issues, and had to turn off 10-bit, but after upgrading from Win8 to Win8.1 and updating the driver from AMD, it worked fine. Both CS6 and CC.

                       

                      Well, there was an issue with a stupid firmware "feature" on my Dell U2713H, which took a lot of searching to track down, and just needed to be turned off in the menu. So fun, new OS, Video, and Monitor, trying to find what's causing which problem.

                      • 8. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                        Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                        Semaphoric wrote:

                         

                        I have a Firepro V4900. At first, I was having issues, and had to turn off 10-bit, but after upgrading from Win8 to Win8.1 and updating the driver from AMD, it worked fine. Both CS6 and CC.

                         

                        Well, there was an issue with a stupid firmware "feature" on my Dell U2713H, which took a lot of searching to track down, and just needed to be turned off in the menu. So fun, new OS, Video, and Monitor, trying to find what's causing which problem.

                        How does the V4900 perform ? Did you do the " Ramp " test to check the 10 bit performance ?  I have Windows 7 Ultimate with all updates . The monitor I am waiting on to arrive is the Asus PA279Q . If I can find another or two that have gotten FirePro to do 10 bit in PS CC , I will order the V7900 .

                        • 9. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                          Semaphoric Community Member

                          I am glad you asked. I just did try the ramp test, and had visible banding. I then went to check the Catalyst Control Center, and most of the options that had been there were missing! Seems the latest driver I had was really for Radeons, not Fire Pros.

                           

                          After I rolled the driver back, I checked, and 10-bit was enabled. I think the banding is because I am using a Greytag-MacBeth [x-Rite] Eye-1 and Eye-1 Match software for calibration, not the new Eye-1 Display Pro and Dell's Ultrasharp Calibration software. I may get the new colorimeter eventually, but first I have to save up for a new printer [old one died recently]. I'm not familiar with the Asus, so I don't know if it would have a simialr problem.

                           

                          Mind you, I'm not getting bad results with this current setup, but I'm not taking full advantage of the hardware capabilities. So many links in the chain to consider.

                          • 10. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                            Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                            Semaphoric wrote:

                             

                            I am glad you asked. I just did try the ramp test, and had visible banding. I then went to check the Catalyst Control Center, and most of the options that had been there were missing! Seems the latest driver I had was really for Radeons, not Fire Pros.

                             

                            After I rolled the driver back, I checked, and 10-bit was enabled. I think the banding is because I am using a Greytag-MacBeth [x-Rite] Eye-1 and Eye-1 Match software for calibration, not the new Eye-1 Display Pro and Dell's Ultrasharp Calibration software. I may get the new colorimeter eventually, but first I have to save up for a new printer [old one died recently]. I'm not familiar with the Asus, so I don't know if it would have a simialr problem.

                             

                            Mind you, I'm not getting bad results with this current setup, but I'm not taking full advantage of the hardware capabilities. So many links in the chain to consider.

                            From what little I understand about the ramp test if you see the banding even if it is telling you 10 bit is enabled , you are not getting 10 bit . Maybe someone will come along and enlighten us .

                            • 11. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                              Semaphoric Community Member

                              You may want to also ask on the Color Management Forum.

                              • 12. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                                Semaphoric wrote:

                                 

                                You may want to also ask on the Color Management Forum.

                                I will . Don't know if you have seen this , interesting . It doesn't answer the questions about how to make it work .

                                 

                                http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52592743

                                • 13. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                  john worthington Adobe Employee

                                  Both Quadro and FirePro cards should provide 10 bit output using CS6 when both PS and the driver have 10 bit support enabled. However there is a problem with some FirePro cards not driving 10 bit output using PS CC on Windows 7 and 8. This is a must fix bug that is actively being worked on.

                                  • 14. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                    Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                                    jworthin wrote:

                                     

                                    Both Quadro and FirePro cards should provide 10 bit output using CS6 when both PS and the driver have 10 bit support enabled. However there is a problem with some FirePro cards not driving 10 bit output using PS CC on Windows 7 and 8. This is a must fix bug that is actively being worked on.

                                    Thank You ! I'm glad to see someone is working to fix the problem . I am giving thought to going ahead and buying the FirePro V7900 , since I can get it at a good price . You say that some FirePro cards are not performing 10 bit output correctly , does that mean most are ? Are any of the Quadro cards having a problem with 10 bit output ?

                                    • 15. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                      john worthington Adobe Employee

                                      As far as I know all 10 bit Quadro and FirePro cards should be supported. If anyone has troubles they should report it as a bug so we can get it fixed. I am not aware of any FirePro card giving 10 bits output using PS CC, but then, I only have access to a few, not all of them. There are no problems reported with Quadro 10 bit support that I know of.

                                      • 16. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                        Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                                        jworthin wrote:

                                         

                                        As far as I know all 10 bit Quadro and FirePro cards should be supported. If anyone has troubles they should report it as a bug so we can get it fixed. I am not aware of any FirePro card giving 10 bits output using PS CC, but then, I only have access to a few, not all of them. There are no problems reported with Quadro 10 bit support that I know of.

                                        Read this post :

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        I have a Firepro V4900. At first, I was having issues, and had to turn off 10-bit, but after upgrading from Win8 to Win8.1 and updating the driver from AMD, it worked fine. Both CS6 and CC.

                                         

                                        Well, there was an issue with a stupid firmware "feature" on my Dell U2713H, which took a lot of searching to track down, and just needed to be turned off in the menu. So fun, new OS, Video, and Monitor, trying to find what's causing which problem.

                                        • 17. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                          Semaphoric Community Member

                                          If I had been able to afford that NEC monitor I was dreaming about for so long, I could be using my current Eye-1, rather than having to spring for the newer model. The NEC is more expensive than my new Dell and the new Eye-1 DisplayPro combined, though. For both, you need to use the monitor manufacturer's software to be effective, I think.

                                           

                                          I was looking on my system, and found the original ICC profile shipped with my Dell. I'm going to try activating it, and see if that gives me the smooth ramp. I'll let you know my results.

                                           

                                          I was looking at the Asus web site, and didn't see any mention of user hardware calibration. When I run the Eye-1 Match software every week for my Dell, there's not any noticable difference from the previous profile, so just using the supplied calibration could well be fine.

                                          • 18. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                            Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                                            Semaphoric wrote:

                                             

                                            If I had been able to afford that NEC monitor I was dreaming about for so long, I could be using my current Eye-1, rather than having to spring for the newer model. The NEC is more expensive than my new Dell and the new Eye-1 DisplayPro combined, though. For both, you need to use the monitor manufacturer's software to be effective, I think.

                                             

                                            I was looking on my system, and found the original ICC profile shipped with my Dell. I'm going to try activating it, and see if that gives me the smooth ramp. I'll let you know my results.

                                             

                                            I was looking at the Asus web site, and didn't see any mention of user hardware calibration. When I run the Eye-1 Match software every week for my Dell, there's not any noticable difference from the previous profile, so just using the supplied calibration could well be fine.

                                            Let me know how how that works and if it takes the banding from the ramp file . I read somewhere that the Asus I have on the way is hard to calibrate and whomever was doing the calibration could not improve upon the factory calibration profile . They said the factory profile was excellent ,but trying to recalibrate was a real pain and they returned the the factory spec's . Did you read the posts from a staff member in this thread ?

                                            • 19. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                              Semaphoric Community Member

                                              OK, now that things are quieted down from the New Year's festivities, I checked things out carefully. Using the most recent profile I got from my Eye-1, and 10-bit enabled from the FirePro Control Center, I first loaded ramp.psd into Pshop CS6. NO BANDING! Closed CS6, and opened ramp.psd in Pshop CC. Banding clearly visible!

                                               

                                              Disabled 10-bit and restarted. Both CS6 and CC showed banding. Re-enabled 10-bit, and results were as before:no banding in CS6, banding in CC.

                                              • 20. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                                                Semaphoric wrote:

                                                 

                                                OK, now that things are quieted down from the New Year's festivities, I checked things out carefully. Using the most recent profile I got from my Eye-1, and 10-bit enabled from the FirePro Control Center, I first loaded ramp.psd into Pshop CS6. NO BANDING! Closed CS6, and opened ramp.psd in Pshop CC. Banding clearly visible!

                                                 

                                                Disabled 10-bit and restarted. Both CS6 and CC showed banding. Re-enabled 10-bit, and results were as before:no banding in CS6, banding in CC.

                                                I think even though you had everything set to 10 bit in PS CC , you never got it . You did in CS6 but when you changed everthing you didn't get anything or was getting a messed up 8 bit file , until you found what needed turned off in the Dell's menu , you then got a good 8 bit signal that you thought was 10 bit . Did you see what the PS staff member said about not knowing about any FirePro getting a 10 bit signal in PS CC but they had been fine in CS6 ? Staff member said to report it to them as a bug needing fixed , I would . I would also yank AMD's chain . It is in both Adobe's & AMD's best interest to find a fix , working together would get this done , they need to quit finger pointing and make the customer happy . I passed on purchasing the FirePro V7900 , because of this problem , I really wanted it as a hedge against a future major upgrade to my aging computer . I am now starting to look at Quadro . You could use your CS6 until a fix is found , I have no such option . I do have two versions of LR on my desktop . I would complain to Adobe & AMD , squeaky wheels get the grease ! Keep me informed .

                                                • 21. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                  Semaphoric Community Member

                                                  I filed a bug report with Adobe; hope that helps get the wheels turning

                                                  • 22. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                    Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                                                    Semaphoric wrote:

                                                     

                                                    I filed a bug report with Adobe; hope that helps get the wheels turning

                                                    Maybe . I have found several complaints in this forum about FirePro and no 10 bit in PS CC . I would do the same with AMD . Most likely only one is at fault . I would guess less than 5 % care about 10 bit , not many voices to make much noise .

                                                    • 23. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                      Semaphoric Community Member

                                                      According to this thread on AMD's support forum, "This issue is being investigated by Adobe and AMD".

                                                       

                                                      They have been aware of this for at least six months, yet Adobe seems to be quite tight-lipped about it

                                                      • 24. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                        jheinzl Community Member

                                                        As far as AMD FirePro cards are concerned -- yes, but that is not an Adobe issue. With Windows 7 and some FirePro cards for instance one had better not use the Aero in combination with 10 bit color depth. I only found out when I ran into a support document from EIZO. But leaving out the details here just that much that I ditched my ATI FirePro and put a non-OEM K4000 into my Lenovo D20 and since than absolutely no problems anymore, neither with Adobe PS CS6 nor CC nor LR nor Sony Vegas nor anything else anymore.

                                                        • 25. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                          Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                          Don't discount the possibility of running a "gamer" card and getting all the functionality you desire for a lot less money.

                                                           

                                                          One day soon I will be getting a Dell U3014 display, which will operate in 10 bits/channel mode.  What I don't know without actually wiring it up and testing it myself is whether I will be able to achieve 10 bit color with my ATI 7850 card, though the information I've found says it can be made to work. 

                                                           

                                                          Few enough people have braved the territory that I've yet to meet someone who's said, "ya, I've done that with that card and that monitor, and it works".

                                                           

                                                          -Noel

                                                          • 26. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                            Semaphoric Community Member

                                                            To be honest, 10-bit isn't that big a deal for me. I mean, I've done without it for years, right? But now that I have the hardware that should support it, though, I'm a little put off the way AMD says "It's Adobe's fault!", and Adobe says "No, it's AMD's fault!"

                                                             

                                                            I say, "You both go to your rooms, and don't come out until you can give me an app and a driver that play nice together". [insert rolling eyes emoticon here]

                                                            • 27. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                              Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                                                              Semaphoric wrote:

                                                               

                                                              To be honest, 10-bit isn't that big a deal for me. I mean, I've done without it for years, right? But now that I have the hardware that should support it, though, I'm a little put off the way AMD says "It's Adobe's fault!", and Adobe says "No, it's AMD's fault!"

                                                               

                                                              I say, "You both go to your rooms, and don't come out until you can give me an app and a driver that play nice together". [insert rolling eyes emoticon here]

                                                              I am thinking the same way . I can't see having a 10 bit monitor and PS CC that is supplying a 10 bit output to at least one card and not using it . I hope they fix this soon . I will hold off buying a 10 bit pipe line for a month or so , as I can pick up a refurbished V7900 for what a new Quadro K2000 will set me back . I need to find out how well a Quadro 2000 & K2000 perform in PS CC . I have asked on a couple of forums without any answers .

                                                              • 28. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                                Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                                                                Noel Carboni wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                Don't discount the possibility of running a "gamer" card and getting all the functionality you desire for a lot less money.

                                                                 

                                                                One day soon I will be getting a Dell U3014 display, which will operate in 10 bits/channel mode.  What I don't know without actually wiring it up and testing it myself is whether I will be able to achieve 10 bit color with my ATI 7850 card, though the information I've found says it can be made to work. 

                                                                 

                                                                Few enough people have braved the territory that I've yet to meet someone who's said, "ya, I've done that with that card and that monitor, and it works".

                                                                 

                                                                -Noel

                                                                I thought UPS would bring me a new Asus PA279Q this afternoon , they didn't , so I guess it will spend the weekend at the local warehouse , the tracking number said it arrived there at 2;20 PM . I have been running 8 bit PS CC on a gaming computer and would like to keep doing so by just upgrading my old GTX 260 card . I wish they would provide drivers for 10 bit output in PS , even my old GTX 260 is 10 bit capable , just not in PS . I'm not enough of a computer person to do a hack . Performance wise the gaming cards blow the workstation cards away , at a fraction of the cost .

                                                                • 29. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                                  Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                                                                  jheinzl wrote:

                                                                   

                                                                  As far as AMD FirePro cards are concerned -- yes, but that is not an Adobe issue. With Windows 7 and some FirePro cards for instance one had better not use the Aero in combination with 10 bit color depth. I only found out when I ran into a support document from EIZO. But leaving out the details here just that much that I ditched my ATI FirePro and put a non-OEM K4000 into my Lenovo D20 and since than absolutely no problems anymore, neither with Adobe PS CS6 nor CC nor LR nor Sony Vegas nor anything else anymore.

                                                                  I'm leaning toward a problem with AMD's driver . Most seem to think Nvidia provides the better support to their drivers . This has been a known problem since shortly after the release of PS CC , that's way too long to drag this out . All this said , I still might buy a V7900 or W7000 over a Quadro K2000 if they would provide a fix . Would I chose either of those two over a K4000 , NO !! I might take the K2000 over those two FirePro's even with a fix , if I can get some performance questions answered . I edit photo's because I enjoy it , l'm not trying to set any speed records , just don't want to sit and wait more than a few seconds .

                                                                  • 30. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                                    Semaphoric Community Member

                                                                    I forgot to mention that  enabling 10-bit on the FirePro messes up the Windows clipboard; colors turn all psychedelic when pasted.

                                                                    • 31. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                                      Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                                                                      Semaphoric wrote:

                                                                       

                                                                      I forgot to mention that  enabling 10-bit on the FirePro messes up the Windows clipboard; colors turn all psychedelic when pasted.

                                                                      This gets better all the time ! New monitor is set up and working fine in 8 bit using my old GTX 260 card . I think it will work fine for a few weeks as I see if AMD & Adobe can fix the issue . I found a PassMark performance benchmark for most cards , the AMD W7000 beat the Quadro K5000 and the W5000 beat the Quadro K4000 , all blowed away the Quadro K2000 .

                                                                      • 32. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                                        JJMack MVP

                                                                        Perhaps being a little colorblind like myself and 10% of men in this world is a blessing. We not obsessed with colors for its pointless for us.  While I see color quite well I just work on the gray areas make them neutral by the numbers not by my color vision. Calibrating a IPS display that has a wide angle of view with software is all I need, color need not be perfect... A 6Bit IPS LCD display that use emulation to display 16M color is good for me.

                                                                        • 33. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                                          Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                                                                          JJMack wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          Perhaps being a little colorblind like myself and 10% of men in this world is a blessing. We not obsessed with colors for its pointless for us.  While I see color quite well I just work on the gray areas make them neutral by the numbers not by my color vision. Calibrating a IPS display that has a wide angle of view with software is all I need, color need not be perfect... A 6Bit IPS LCD display that use emulation to display 16M color is good for me.

                                                                          I'm sure being male and in my 60's it's a waste on me also . I bought a highly rated 10 bit monitor and can't see owning it and not using it as intended . The color looks fine to me in 8 bit . If I had known before hand , how much trouble this was going to be , I might well have bought something else . Then I might not be happy , as I would have nothing to ***** about , as the wife said .

                                                                          • 34. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                                            jheinzl Community Member

                                                                            Well it's a driver issue" is a pretty much the standard presumption of fault, but fact is I simply do not care and I'd had problems with PS CS6, too ranging from the, well known to ATI users, "ATI graphics driver has stopped responding" message, even with my old run-of-the-mill LCD, to black screens that required me to disconnect the machine from the power supply to let discharge all capacitors as otherwise I could not get back a picture again at all. All that even with the latest and greatest driver release available.

                                                                             

                                                                            So perhaps latter ATI cards with their newer drivers work great or ATI cards work great with Windows 8.x or with OS X or

                                                                            when putting my left big toe too into my right ear -- I personally simply do not care anymore and it's only from my personal experiences why I do advice against ATI cards by now and my ATI was Lenovo branded even (the stopped delivering their workstations with ATI cards some time ago though ...)

                                                                             

                                                                            If it works so much the better of course. If it does not, though --  "You have been warned."

                                                                            • 35. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                                              Grousehunter 12 Community Member

                                                                              jheinzl wrote:

                                                                               

                                                                              Well it's a driver issue" is a pretty much the standard presumption of fault, but fact is I simply do not care and I'd had problems with PS CS6, too ranging from the, well known to ATI users, "ATI graphics driver has stopped responding" message, even with my old run-of-the-mill LCD, to black screens that required me to disconnect the machine from the power supply to let discharge all capacitors as otherwise I could not get back a picture again at all. All that even with the latest and greatest driver release available.

                                                                               

                                                                              So perhaps latter ATI cards with their newer drivers work great or ATI cards work great with Windows 8.x or with OS X or

                                                                              when putting my left big toe too into my right ear -- I personally simply do not care anymore and it's only from my personal experiences why I do advice against ATI cards by now and my ATI was Lenovo branded even (the stopped delivering their workstations with ATI cards some time ago though ...)

                                                                               

                                                                              If it works so much the better of course. If it does not, though --  "You have been warned."

                                                                              Quadro cards are looking better all the time , you are right , no matter the rankings of benchmarked performance standards , if the cards in question (AMD-ATI) are unstable in Photoshop , they become useless . The Quadro K4000 ranks # 52 on PassMark's benchmarks vs. the FirePro W5000 at # 47 at about 175% of the cost of the W5000 . FirePro's W7000 is slightly cheaper than the Quadro K4000 and ranks as # 30 on the benchmarks standard . The Quadro K2000 is about the same price as the FirePro W5000 but, is not in the game with it's # 96 benchmark . A factory refurbished Quadro 4000, not the K4000 , can be had for about the same money as a new FirePro W5000 or Quadro K2000 but , ranks # 84 on the benchmarking standards , just slightly ahead of the new K2000 . All the great performance benchmarks by the FirePro cards become a moot point based on their unstable performance for Photoshop .

                                                                               

                                                                              P.S. The Quadro K2000 might perform fine for Photoshop , but I can't find anyone using this card for their take . If someone is using it , let me know how it is performing for you .

                                                                              • 36. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                                                Trevor.Dennis MVP

                                                                                JJMack wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                Perhaps being a little colorblind like myself and 10% of men in this world is a blessing. We not obsessed with colors for its pointless for us.  While I see color quite well I just work on the gray areas make them neutral by the numbers not by my color vision. Calibrating a IPS display that has a wide angle of view with software is all I need, color need not be perfect... A 6Bit IPS LCD display that use emulation to display 16M color is good for me.

                                                                                 

                                                                                A few people had a go at this test a while back, and it was useful because it tells about your monitor as well as your own ability to see the colours.  In fact, I wonder how good it is as a test for colour blindness, because you can get it right by comparing tonal values of adjacent cards.

                                                                                 

                                                                                http://www.xrite.com/online-color-test-challenge

                                                                                 

                                                                                I suspect that this is a much better test for colour blindness.  It starts off too easy for words, but gets progressively more tricky

                                                                                http://colorvisiontesting.com/ishihara.htm

                                                                                 

                                                                                I totally agree about it being a waste to obsess over this sort of thing, or anything that approaches the realms of pixel-peeping.  

                                                                                 

                                                                                The link for the Passmark scores

                                                                                http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

                                                                                • 37. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                                                  JJMack MVP

                                                                                  http://www.dl-c.com/colorblindness.html I cab see the 25 clear as day the 50 is quite clear the 8 is hard for me with work I can get the 45 the 29 I can see there might be two numbers in the  forget about the , I know he number exist because messing with hue I see them.

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                                                                                  • 38. Re: Quadro or FirePro
                                                                                    Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                                                    JJMack wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    the 50 is quite clear

                                                                                     

                                                                                    That's 56. 

                                                                                     

                                                                                    -Noel