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1. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Steven L. Gotz Jan 2, 2014 12:49 PM (in response to NorfolkPete)Are both your playback and pause settings showing 100%? It is possible to play back at 50% or less in order to get smooth playback. These are independant settings.
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2. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 2, 2014 12:56 PM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)Hi Steven,
I have not heard of those settings and wouldn't know where they are. I often change from Full to 1/2 when I start changing things to get a smoother playback however I don't know of any other settings.
Thing is what I then export is also of a lesser quality and not as good as originally recorded.
Thanks, Pete
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3. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Ann Bens Jan 2, 2014 1:30 PM (in response to NorfolkPete)Make a screendump of you export window with the output tab open.
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4. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
shooternz Jan 2, 2014 1:49 PM (in response to NorfolkPete)Click on the Wrench Icon to find the Playback and Pause Settings Steven mentioned.
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5. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 2, 2014 1:58 PM (in response to shooternz)Ah yes, thank you Playback and Pause Settings are both at at Full which I guess they should be, if I alter these then this makes things worst.
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6. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 2, 2014 1:59 PM (in response to Ann Bens)Hi Ann,
Sorry, I don't really understand this?
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7. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Ann Bens Jan 2, 2014 2:15 PM (in response to NorfolkPete)Thing is what I then export is also of a lesser quality and not as good as originally recorded.
This is what you said, so i am asking for your export settings in a screendump.
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8. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 2, 2014 2:53 PM (in response to Ann Bens)Hi sorry Ann,
Screen shot attached. I got export settings from this link http://vimeo.com/44181231
Just puzzled as to why I can view my video great on a PC but in Pro on the screens it is lesser quality.
How can I adjust a video in Pro if the quality is not the same as it was originally shot?
Hope this makes sense
Regards, Pete
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9. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Ann Bens Jan 2, 2014 3:18 PM (in response to NorfolkPete)You say your footage is 1920 (I think its interlaced) but you put it in a 720 progressive seqeunce and exported as such. Hence the degrade in quality.
What is the end product going to be for?
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10. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Steven L. Gotz Jan 2, 2014 3:27 PM (in response to NorfolkPete)Try it with 1-Pass instead of 2-Pass.
Also, the recording is probably using at least 25Mb/s and you are exporting to only 5Mb/s. That won't ever look good.
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11. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 3, 2014 12:02 AM (in response to Ann Bens)Hello Ann,
I have often thought of this and did think how can I set my inital workspace correctly so that it exports coreectly for the end product.
These videos will be for Vimeo hence I followed the export setting in the link I supplied. I 'thought' Pro would adjust my project so that quality would be maintained however the quality is not as great the moment I place my video into Pro.
This is all getting a tad confusing now
Regards, Pete.
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12. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 3, 2014 12:15 AM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)Hi Steve,
I am trying 1-Pass now to see if that makes any difference.
You said...Also, the recording is probably using at least 25Mb/s and you are exporting to only 5Mb/s. That won't ever look good.
The quality is the max I can set on the camera and thought that would be a good thing. It video when downloaded onto my pc also looks great, its when I drag it into Pro it looks 'not as great'.
It does feel like something in Pro isn't set right however I have messed with nothing and can't seem to find why this is an issue.
Have you any suggestions ref 25Mb/s and you are exporting to only 5Mb/s. That won't ever look good?
Regards, Pete
PS, i 'think' the 1-Pass change had made a 'slight' change for the better in the export. Thank you.
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13. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Ann Bens Jan 3, 2014 1:46 AM (in response to NorfolkPete)For the record the camera records 17 mbps.
Set up an 1920 avchd interlaced sequence, drop your footage into that and export with a vimeo or YT preset.
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14. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 3, 2014 2:13 AM (in response to Ann Bens)Hi Ann,
Thank you.
You said...Set up an 1920 avchd interlaced sequence, drop your footage...
How do I do this? I create a sequence by dragging footage to the media area and then dragging that to the little icon at the bottom as shown at the top of this post.
I clicked on the little icon and saw the image attached. I don't see anything that relates to what you said ref 1920 avchd interlaced sequence.
Sorry, new to this
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15. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Ann Bens Jan 3, 2014 3:59 AM (in response to NorfolkPete)OK. analyse a clip with this tool and post the analasys in treeview here on the forum.
http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/nl
Everything that says 50i is interlaced. You will probably need the one without the anamorphic.
In your first you post you mentioned HA1920 so I checked the manual of your camera.
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16. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 3, 2014 4:26 AM (in response to Ann Bens)Hi Ann,
Goodness this all sounds neverending
That was good of you to look that up, thank you.
Ok so you said I needed to "Set up an 1920 avchd interlaced sequence, drop your footage into that and export with a vimeo...."
So to set up a sequence I click on the little icon indicated which brings up the screen and your suggesting I set a sequence of AVCHD 1080i25 (50i)
This being the option without the anamorphic?
Thank you
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17. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Ann Bens Jan 3, 2014 4:34 AM (in response to NorfolkPete)That is the correct one.
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18. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 3, 2014 5:35 AM (in response to Ann Bens)Hi Ann,
Thank you for your time ref this matter.
So in conclusion if I create a AVCHD interlaced sequence using the settings you've suggested and then drop my footage into that the quality should be maintained?
If this is the case goodness knows how I would have ever know this
Lucky for me these forums are here.
Thanks, Pete
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19. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Steven L. Gotz Jan 3, 2014 5:57 AM (in response to NorfolkPete)Pete,
Most of the time if you create your sequence from your video it is the right thing to do. Every now and then there is footage that seems to fool Premiere Pro. Perhaps that is the issue here.
We all started coming to these forums to get our questions answered, and some of us stuck around to help other people with their questions. And yes, it can be never ending. The questions you ask will just get harder and harder to answer. In the meantime, perhaps you will come across a question that you know the answer to, and you will help out.
Let us know if you get this all sorted out, or if you need more assistance. And when you do get a question answered, please mark the correct answer as "correct" or if you are reading another post and find one that is helpful, mark it that way. That way the next people who read the thread looking for an answer will easily know which answer helped you the most and it will save them time and frustration.
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20. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Biggles Lamb Jan 3, 2014 6:18 AM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)Pete
The easiest way to make the correct sequence settings is to import your media and then select one clip, right click and select new sequence from source.
By the way your camcorder records in HA @17mbps so export full 1920x1080 50i at the same data rate as you recorded. Use this for Blu-ray Disc material
You will also find that outputting a1920x1080 50p at 17mbps will look great on your PC or TV
I have both UK sourced Panasonic 900 and 151 camcorders and these output settings look great.
Go to www.vimeo.com and type "collamb" in the search, including the "" and in my videos there is a tutorial to output sd and hd files from Premiere
As you are new, go to the creative cow website and search for video tutorials, they will be of great help
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21. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Ann Bens Jan 3, 2014 6:23 AM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)Steven L. Gotz wrote:
Pete,
Most of the time if you create your sequence from your video it is the right thing to do.
That is what he said he did, but when you look at the export settings the seqeunce is 720p and not 1080i.
Hence the manual approach.
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22. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 3, 2014 8:45 AM (in response to Biggles Lamb)Hi Colin,
Just had a little look at your videos on Vimeo where we will be hosting ours in the near future.
I have spent pretty much most of this afternoon exporting a small clip to see what is best and which maintains quality.
I have to say I have never found anything as frustrtaing as this as there is no end of variables
Anyway I have found using some of Ann's advice as far as creating a AVCHD interlaced sequence then adding my footage works best however you say above 'outputting a1920x1080 50p at 17mbps will look great on your PC or TV'.
I am using the latest version of Pro CC and the export options are worded a little different to your Vimeo vid and I am finding using the following works better for Vimeo:
H.264
HD 720p 25
Then a the following...
As said this is very frustrating as there seems no end of options to try and all can make the smallest difference, trial and error with a bit of advice here is certainly helping
If you have a Panasonic cam do you export to Vimeo 1920x1080, why do you not use a setting like above that scales this down to 1280x720 out of interest
Yes I found Creative Cow a week ago and their vid's are very helpful...thank you for mentioning.
Regards, Pete
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23. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 3, 2014 9:00 AM (in response to Ann Bens)Hi again Ann,
In some earlier advice and after me spending an entire afternoon exporting a small clip of footage many times to test which is best, you mentioned set a sequence of AVCHD 1080i25 (50i)
This has a video preview of 1920x1080.
I am exporting to Vimeo using one of the presets 1280x720.
My hopefully final question is...is this sequence setting ok?
Not taking anything for granted, I would now presume that Pro would scale down the footage from 1920x1080 to 1280x720?
Regards, Pete
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24. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Mark Mapes Jan 3, 2014 4:05 PM (in response to NorfolkPete)Yes, PPro/AME automatically scales the sequence to output. But why do you want to scale down from 1920x1080 to 1280x720? If possible, it's best to avoid scaling.
In a perfect world, the dimensions/PAR, field order, and frame rate should be the same for the source content, the PPRO sequence settings, and the export settings.
But my main reason for posting is simply to point out that PPro/AME have a set of presets tailored to posting on Vimeo. These include three 1080i presets.
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25. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Steven L. Gotz Jan 3, 2014 4:36 PM (in response to NorfolkPete)I see that your settings are using 6Mb/s as the target. In my opinion, that is too low. Here is why:
http://vimeo.com/help/compression
Even Vimeo suggests that you use between 5K to 10K as a target. So move yours to at least 10K. In fact, I export at the highest data rate I can (not to exceed the source) to avoid as much loss of quality as possible. So most of mine are encoded at 20Kb/s.
To answer the question about why not scale it down? Well, my monitors are 1920X1080, and I just ordered some that are 1920X1280. When I say I wan to see a video at full screen, if it is 720p, it is not as sharp as if it was 1080p. If I had small monitors, let's say 1280X768 or so, then I would not care. But I have big monitors. How about the people that are going to be watching your videos? What do they use?
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26. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 4, 2014 1:34 AM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)Morning Steven,
Thank you for pointing the settings and the obvious as far as monitors and scaling is concerned
I use 2 large monitors and why I didn't think of this yesterday as beyond me, guess I was getting bogged down with all the options and issues that I am discovering with Pro
Ref:
I see that your settings are using 6Mb/s as the target. In my opinion....
and
So move yours to at least 10K. In fact, I export at the highest data rate I can (not to exceed the source)
Where is this setting please? I can't see where you have seen this so I can take your advice and give it a go.
Many thanks for your thoughts.
Regards, Pete
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28. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Steven L. Gotz Jan 4, 2014 6:01 AM (in response to NorfolkPete)The short answer is change the VBR to 1 pass, change the Target to 10Mb/s and the Maximum to 12Mb/s. (I don't know if the 2 Pass bug is fixed yet, and besides, the extra wait is not usually worth it at higher bitrates.)
See if that exports a file you like better.
The longer answer is: It depends.
There used to be at least two schools of thought on the issue of compression.
1. Start as high as you can and export, then come down a bit and export again. Keep doing this until you hate the results. Then go back up just a little to where it is only a mild dislike and only you would notice the unwanted artifacts.
2. Start low and keep exporting at a little bit higher and a little bit higher until you can just barely live with it.
Compression is an art, and like many people, I am never satisfied with my own art. I could always make it look better.
Nowadays, things are different. Hard drives are bigger and bandwidth is a lot cheaper. Not only that, but posting videos is free. We used to pay a lot for hosting videos.
So, I just export to the max bitrate that makes sense. So if I am editing video shot at 50Mb/s, I will export at the maximum bitrate allowed by the service, up to about 50Mb/s.
If Vimeo won't accept 50Mb/s, then export at 20Mb/s.
To answer your question with a question, what stops you from using the maximum allowed bit rate. Perhaps setting it for 18Mb/s & 20Mb/s.
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29. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Ann Bens Jan 4, 2014 6:48 AM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)The camera is 17 mbps, so no point in exporting at 50 (which vimeo does not accepts)
I would start with the presets, upload and see what is looks like.
Upload all depends on membership.
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30. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 5, 2014 6:20 AM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)Good afternoon Steven and all,
Ok taking onboard your notes above and further investigation here, I have discovered what I am doing is no doubt making matters worst.
I am filming in AVCHD max quality with a picture size of 1920x1080.
When filming a small presentation I filmed as wide as possible so I could then scale the footage in slightly so to trim away, as such, the edges I didn't need. Of course this is making the footage slightly larger which I guess is decreasing it's quality. That was right from the start of the footage hence it didn't look great right from the beginning.
I also love the Pan & Zoom tool so would zoom in on an item which again compromises the quality.
I am setting a Sequence up as advised by Ann (thank you) of:
AVCHD > 1080p > AVCHD 1080p 50
So the issue as far as I'm aware can never be improved upon because my sequence and work area is the same size as my footage, any scaling or zooming in will compromise the footage unless I make my sequence 720 which then makes my footage larger than my sequence.
However as a few of you mentioned for high resolution screens this isn't great and I can see this myself as I work on 2 large screens.
Am I right in the above? If so it makes scaling up and using Pan & Zoom a 'no go' as this will always compromise the quality.
Goodness, I have been building websites for years and that it 'so' controllable compared to the wonders of Video Editing
Thanks again all for your time so far.
Regards, Pete
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31. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Ann Bens Jan 5, 2014 7:19 AM (in response to NorfolkPete)No, Its 1080 i not p, you footage is interlaced. You export to P(rogressive) for the web.
I would not pan and zoom on footage that reduces the quality. You can do that on still which are twice the size of the frame.
You can pan and zoom in a 720 timeline.
Video editing is so much fun
I am struggeling to make a website for my employer.
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32. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 5, 2014 7:59 AM (in response to Ann Bens)Hi Ann,
I uploaded an 'i' interlaced video to Vimeo yesterday and I got a warning saying to deinterlace it hence I am trying the 'p'.
Yes I tried setting up a timeline and sequence at 720 where my footage was 1920x1080 and scaling and Pan & Zoom looked great however I wonder if this isn't really the done thing as many have larger resolution screens these days. What you think?
I'm not at the Video Editing 'fun' stage yet I'm afraid, I'm finding it very frustrating
Websites and Wordpress is a breeze compared to this
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33. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Ann Bens Jan 5, 2014 8:02 AM (in response to NorfolkPete)I would not pan and zoom, but you are the boss.
So project on interlaced, export on progressive for web.
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34. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Steven L. Gotz Jan 5, 2014 8:50 AM (in response to Ann Bens)Websites can be easy or they can be a major pain.
Adobe Muse lets Creatives put up a web site in minutes. Dreamweaver lets you code to your heart's content.
Me? I got lazy and used Muse. It can really do a lot more than I ask of it though.
It all depends on the clients needs and wishes.
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35. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 5, 2014 9:03 AM (in response to Ann Bens)I love the Pan & Zoom function however I know it has its critics as whether it should be used or not.
I guess I just need to decide whether to set my sequence up at 720 so I can maintain quality 'if' I decide to use scale or Pan & Zoom or set it to larger size to suit all resolutions
Think I'll try both, upload to Vimeo and then see what I'm happy with *sigh*.
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36. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Steven L. Gotz Jan 5, 2014 9:50 AM (in response to NorfolkPete)Back when we couldn't post full size videos on the web, well before YouTube, and even after, it seemed like a good idea to me to crop the video to just the best part of the frame.
Nowadays it is a little different. If I shoot 1080p I post 1080p. People can see it full screen and it doesn't cost me a penny.
But if your edges are not attractive, crop by using a 1280X720 sequence.
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37. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
NorfolkPete Jan 5, 2014 11:56 AM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)Evening Steven,
I have spent part of the afternoon reading various articles on Google ref 720 v's 1080.
As you and others have mentioned there seems no 'right' or 'wrong' way to do this. Where there is one saying all good for 720 another will be all for 1080.
In conclusion and with the advice I have received here regarding setting up a sequence and the various ways I can alter things to make the export as good as it can be I think the way forward for the time being will be for us to shoot in 1080 and create and use a 1280X720 sequence.
I often need to crop away the edges slightly and to zoom in a little I personally like also. If I use a 1080 sequence I have no options to scale or crop without compromising quality.
Its taken a little while to get to this conclusion however...got there in the end
Many thanks to you all for your help, advice and time...it is really appreciated.
Regards, Pete
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38. Re: Quality issue between what has been recored and what appears on Pro
Steven L. Gotz Jan 5, 2014 12:52 PM (in response to NorfolkPete)Just make sure that YOU scale the images down using the Motion effect's Scale parameter. Do NOT use "Scale to Frame Size".






