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1. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
Willi Adelberger Jan 16, 2014 9:05 AM (in response to Ceencha)Because you want to colour the backgound, not the text itself, you should create an Object Style, define frame color, used paragraph style (for latin you can download an open source dictionary to have correct language) and text offset, so that the text is not to close to the border.
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3. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
Ceencha Jan 16, 2014 9:07 AM (in response to Willi Adelberger)Hello, allow me to clarify:
I don't want to color the paragraphs — I only colored them so folks can quickly see which ones I'm talking about.
I want to invisibly mark them, so I can "search and replace" ONLY those paragraphs — please say it's possible !!!
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4. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
Ceencha Jan 16, 2014 9:09 AM (in response to Eugene Tyson)Hello! I don't want to "color" anything (sorry for the confusion) — I want to somehow "mark" those paragraphs so the SEARCH tool will SEARCH AND REPLACE only those paragraphs and NOT any others — is that possible?
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5. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
Eugene Tyson Jan 16, 2014 9:19 AM (in response to Ceencha)If you've used the Latin language in the paragraph style then you can.
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6. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
Ceencha Jan 16, 2014 9:22 AM (in response to Eugene Tyson)Unfortunately, the paragraph styles are identical for both Latin & English …
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7. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
Eugene Tyson Jan 16, 2014 9:25 AM (in response to Ceencha)You realise the hyphenation for both is different depending on the language?
Latin might not break "al-leulia" like that, it would be like breaking "hi-lighting" which looks weird.
Anyway
Unless you give much more details on how the document is constructed, from layout to styles, there's not much we can offer.
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8. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
Ceencha Jan 16, 2014 9:31 AM (in response to Eugene Tyson)Eugene, I am aware that Latin hyphenation is different (although even in Latin, some words are broken differently depending on the editor, e.g. san-cto vs. sanc-to).
I was not aware that In Design could use a Latin dictionary. Had I known that, I absolutely would have "assigned" a different paragraph style. Oops!
I guess I'm pretty much screwed at this point … because when I try to assign a different paragraph style (to this 800-page document) at this stage of the game, it messes up my paragraphs bigtime …
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9. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
David W. Goodrich Jan 16, 2014 10:59 AM (in response to Ceencha)InDesign is perfectly happy with "Latin" as a script or character set, but as a language for spell-checking and hyphenation it was left out at least through IDCS5.5, which helpfully explains how to add Hunspell dictionaries. See also Jongware's 2011 post on "invalid" languages. By "invalid" he means not on the official LanguageWithVendors list: he describes them as "creeping in" because ID preserves the language attribute for text when importing MS Word files, even for "vendorless" languages. The added languages are then stuck in your installation of ID, whether you use them or not.
If this has happened to you, "Latin," presumably would appear in ID's language boxes between Italian and Latvian. I work with scholarly material, where I see all kinds of language attributes, some obviously brought into MS Word from the WWW. (Often they are misaligned by a few characters, possibly a problem with format conversion somewhere along the line.)
Unless things changed with IDCS6, or you added a Hunspell dictionary for Latin (they do exist), applying "Latin" should have the same effect as assigning "[No Language]," that is, turning off spell-checking and hyphenation. Sometimes this is useful.
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10. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
Ceencha Jan 16, 2014 11:08 AM (in response to David W. Goodrich)Friends, nobody is addressing my question. Was I unclear? Should I start another thread, being more clear?
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11. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
Willi Adelberger Jan 16, 2014 11:19 AM (in response to Ceencha)Oh the anwers are to the topic. The problem is that you can't find latin if no paragraph has this attribute. And if your paragraphs don't have the language attribute latin because latin is not available there is nothing to find in language latin.
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12. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
Ceencha Jan 16, 2014 11:38 AM (in response to Willi Adelberger)Is there not some other "thing" that can be manually applied to these paragraphs to make them searchable?
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13. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
Joel Cherney Jan 16, 2014 11:59 AM (in response to Ceencha)Of course! You could:
1) Make a character style with nothing defined
2) Dupe the Black swatch and mark 'em all with your new "carbo" swatch. Oh wait, that was in post 3! Um,
3) Put some kind of invisible character at the end of the paragraph that you're not using elsewhere (a hair-space?) and then GREP search for .+~|
4) I'm sure there are a bunch of others but that's what came off the top of my head.
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14. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
David W. Goodrich Jan 16, 2014 12:12 PM (in response to Joel Cherney)Joel's suggestions are the way to go.
However, his first only works if none of your Latin text uses character styles.
An extra advantage of #2 is that it is so easy to kill when you're finished: delete your custom swatch, and when ID asks what to replace it with use Black.
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15. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
P Spier Jan 16, 2014 1:30 PM (in response to David W. Goodrich)I think I'd approach this a little differently. Create a new paragraph style (based on the exisiting) and then do a find/change for words that are likely to appear in most of the Latin paragraphs, but almost certain not to appear in English. Et comes to mind as one possible choice.
Assign the new style to paragraphs that match. I'd change the text color in the new style initially so you can scan through the documetn and quickly see if something has been missed or changed by mistake, then you can edit the style to waht you really really want.
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16. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
[Jongware] Jan 16, 2014 2:01 PM (in response to P Spier)Yup, that is how I search for phrases in languages other than the default. Using GREP (...;-), you can search for more than a single word, which greatly speeds up the process.
My Latin is not so much "rusty" as more, virtually non-existant, so feel free to edit this list:
(?i)\b(et|hic|cogito|ergo|sum)\b
-- you can also set the Find attribute language to "English" so it will only locate these words when not (yet) properly formatted with the correct language. Or, if your new paragraph style includes a color -- an excellent tip for visual verification! -- set the "Find" color to "Black".
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17. Re: In Design CS5.5 – marking individual paragraphs? Please help! please!
P Spier Jan 16, 2014 2:21 PM (in response to [Jongware])Nice to see you, Theun.
For the record, I learned all that stuff from him to begin with.




