9 Replies Latest reply: Feb 23, 2014 5:46 AM by firedog7 RSS

    dsd files - any way to open?

    firedog7

      dsf or dff formats - apparently aren't supported. Any way to open them in audition? Or will there be in the near future?

       

      Thanks

        • 1. Re: dsd files - any way to open?
          SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

          The only chance you stand is to get somebody to create a codec for them. I believe that if you own a Korg MR series device or have a twitter account (that bit is weird!), you can download and use Korg Audio Gate, which will convert these files to wav - which is what you need to have in order for Audition to open them anyway - that's it's native format, and what everything has to be converted to.

          • 2. Re: dsd files - any way to open?
            ryclark Community Member

            I would think it very unlikely that the dsd format will every be implemented in Audition since SACD seems to be on the way out to be replaced by HD Bluray Audio.

            • 3. Re: dsd files - any way to open?
              Bob Howes MVP

              I don't know if it's true but I've heard that part of the design spec for the SACD file formats was to restrict the access to the necessary codecs to make piracy via ripping much more difficult.

              • 4. Re: dsd files - any way to open?
                firedog7 Community Member

                Hi-

                 

                I'm talking about dsd files, not SACD. These are in .dsf or .dff format and there are now music download sites with files available in these formats. It actually is a growing segment and in the past year about 60 consumer grade DACs have come on the market that playback DSD files. Thanks.

                • 5. Re: dsd files - any way to open?
                  Bob Howes MVP

                  Well, DSD (Direct Stream Digital) was the coding format developed for use on SACD (and DSF/DFF) are part of that system, one carrying metadata and one not.

                   

                  I'm surprised to hear that the format is still clinging to life considered the non-response to SACD (and the results of some double blind tests I've seen that show nobody can hear the difference from standard Wave/PCM).

                   

                  I just did a Google and indeed there are some consumer codecs but most seem to be a bit "home made" and designed for use in things like Foobar.  Perhaps I didn't read far enough but I didn't see any major move by the main names to work in DSD or produce codecs.

                   

                  I don't know if it helps but I found this codec for Foobar...which you then perhaps transfer into wave for Audition:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/sacddecoder/

                  • 6. Re: dsd files - any way to open?
                    firedog7 Community Member

                    Just FYI, there is quite a bit of music, mostly classical, being recorded in DSD and released as digital files, not only as SACD.  In addition, a lot of catalog material originally recorded on tape (all types of music) is being remastered to DSD and released for download. In  a  quick search, I came up with about 500 titles, all from the last year or two, with more on the way. SONY, among others, has begun marketing home equipment capable of playing back DSD files; they also have all of their music archives (thousands of titles) in DSD, so if these start to be released in large numbers for download there will be no lack of material.

                     

                    SACD is a proprietary closed format which can't be copied under normal circumstances. Probably one of the big reasons it didn't succeed outside of classical recording and in Japan, where it is still quite a viable format. There are though, about 8000 SACD titles available, and the number is still growing. The advantage of dsf and dff releases is that they are DSD without the copy protection, and can be manipulated, played back, and copied just like any other digital file.

                     

                    As far as how it sounds, you'd have to listen for yourself. I think there quite a few people that can hear that DSD playback sounds different from SACD playback and also from PCM playback. There's no reason it houldn't, as the filtering used in recording (none for DSD in recording) and playback is different than PCM.

                    • 7. Re: dsd files - any way to open?
                      SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                      firedog7 wrote:

                       

                       

                      As far as how it sounds, you'd have to listen for yourself. I think there quite a few people that can hear that DSD playback sounds different from SACD playback and also from PCM playback. There's no reason it houldn't, as the filtering used in recording (none for DSD in recording) and playback is different than PCM.

                      That used to be true - sort-of - but it isn't any more. The modern massively oversampled (64x at least) converters have eliminated the differences, and all of the ABX tests I've ever heard about have revealed that effectively, nobody can tell the difference at all now. There are always people who try to dispute this, but the tests that stand are always carried out in a clinically correct manner and can be replicated.

                       

                      Of course the saddest thing about that is that people are bothering to do this at all. Because that means that they aren't listening to the music, just the sound. And I'd say that this was ultimately pretty pointless. As a classical recording engineer, I can tell you that there are things that happen on every location there is that will make far more difference to the sound than any format tinkering will - which is why all of these conversations make me chuckle a bit...

                      • 8. Re: dsd files - any way to open?
                        ryclark Community Member

                        Apart from it's use for SACD recording/mastering I hadn't come across dsd as an audio file type before now (except for the Korg recorder). Interesting to find that you can now download dsd files. I have downloaded FLAC files before which my combination of Pioneer Bluray player and Onkyo Surround amp happily play. So I might now try a DSD download out of interest. I know that the Onkyo will decode dsd bitstreams so it will be interesting to see how it copes with such a file.

                        • 9. Re: dsd files - any way to open?
                          firedog7 Community Member

                          If you want to try some free DSD downloads: http://dsd-guide.com/free-downloads

                          and http://www.2l.no/

                           

                          the files at DSD-guide are recorded in DSD. the files at 2l are recorded in DXD (24/352.8) and converted to DSD