13 Replies Latest reply: Mar 7, 2014 6:28 AM by MurraySummers RSS

    New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice

    Trebin Community Member

      I have decided to start doing some web work w/ a startup company a buddy is running. The site is currently set up in Expression Engine and I personally do not like the look of it. I am a creative cloud subscriber and currently use AE, PP, Photoshop etc for some design work. I just started with this and I am really enjoying it. I love Adobe products and was thinking that I could redo the site in Edge Animate, Dreamweaver and/or even Muse. The goal is to have a paid site, general content and also a member’s area w/ paid content. I have some experience in programming from my Computer Science days but it has been a long long time. I was just looking for some help to see if this is doable and possible get some help on a good approach to learning and doing this. Thanks for your time.

       

      Mark

        • 1. Re: New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice
          SnakEyez02 CommunityMVP

          It sounds like you have the basis for a good design background, but the question is whether you can take that, or should take that to coding.  If your friend is a good coder, there is no reason you couldn't help them by using your designs.

           

          Additionally, I would highly recommend staying towards Edge and Dreamweaver.  Muse is really for those who do not wish to do code and you could find yourself limited by Muse's capabilities depending on what you need to accomplish.

          • 2. Re: New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice
            MurraySummers CommunityMVP

            So, you will be designing not coding? If not, then don't even think of using DW without a reasonable familarity with HTML and CSS.

            • 3. Re: New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice
              Trebin Community Member

              I went to school for computer science but I have coded in 10 years probably. I am def not up to par on HTML or CSS. The problem is our site is currently maintained on Expression Engine (I am still trying to figure out what this means exactly). I think the site looks a little out of date and could use some fixing up. I will be doing both design and probably some back end coding. THe goal is to fix up the store and make the site more dynamic as of right now it does not scale on mobile devices. The guy they paid to design is finally being paid off and will most likely not support it any more.

              • 4. Re: New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice
                Trebin Community Member

                Do these tools work with Expression Engine? The last time I did HTML was back in 2001 or 2002...lol. It was my first year of college and I honestly didn't see myself in web design/development. I guess you never know where you will end up.

                • 5. Re: New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice
                  MurraySummers CommunityMVP

                  Expression Engine is a content management system, somewhat like Wordpress. That means several things:

                   

                  1. The "content" of the site is stored in a database, and pulled from that database as needed

                  2. That being the case, there is really ever only 1 page on the site which is given different content to display based on which navigation element you select.

                  3. That being the case, the single page of the site draws its 'boilerplate' elements (header, footer, etc.) from code fragments (used as includes) that allow that page to be built from the pieces (boilerplate and content) on demand.

                   

                  Doing any modifications to the "look" of the site would require that you become familiar with how EE puts all of those pieces together. It goes way beyond just HTML and CSS into the world of server scripting to achieve this functionality. As a result I'm afraid that your choices are:

                   

                  1. Acquire the knowledge to work within the EE environment
                  2. Completely redo the site as a static (i.e., not dynamic) site thereby eliminating EE altogether
                  3. Hire someone already familiar with EE to implement a new look leaving the content and functionality in place

                   

                  Your choice.

                   

                  Can you give us a link to the site so that we can get an idea of the scope of this job? It may be that EE is being used in an "overkill" fashion.

                   

                  As far as "working with Expression Engine", normally you don't use something like Dreamweaver at all, rather using the built-in and online tools of the CMS for your page layout and content editing. There is a convenience to doing it this way that offsets the disadvantage of working outside of DW.

                  • 6. Re: New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice
                    Trebin Community Member

                    The website is http://strengthcrew.com, I am going to work on cleaning up hte images etc I just personally do not like the design.When I started reading on EE I thought it was just overkill for what we do. 90% of the time it will be a site that posts update, articles etc and links to a forum but nothing much more than that. We may eventually try to set up a paid site and have some ideas but nothing huge at this point.

                    • 7. Re: New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice
                      MurraySummers CommunityMVP

                      Do you have skills in the server scripting technology that 'updates' or 'articles' would require?

                      • 9. Re: New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice
                        MurraySummers CommunityMVP

                        Then I think you may need to stick with cleaning up the images. We can help you some but for someone without experience in PHP to take on this job is a tall order.

                        • 10. Re: New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice
                          Trebin Community Member

                          I was honestly considering a possible redesign and either edge animate or Dream Weaver. Not knowing Expression Engine I am just not the most comfortable with every design through the Route

                          • 11. Re: New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice
                            MariapD Community Member

                            You probably will need some tutorials on the programs you need to use. Become a specialist in one area and grow from there. There are lots of inexpensive classes/tutorals online that you can benefit from. Good Luck

                            • 12. Re: New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice
                              Trebin Community Member

                              It looks like expressin engine will take any html5 site etc. I still can't decide if it is worth it for us. I was considering designing my own and then using the BA to host it. We will essentially have a site that posts up articles, photos, videos etc adn then link to a store which I can design as well. I have never set up an online store but I am willing to learn.

                              • 13. Re: New to Web Design/Development - Need some advice
                                MurraySummers CommunityMVP

                                If you are determined to move ahead with this, it will take lots of preparation. Go to the adobe dev site and read everything that David Powers has there. Go through his tutorials. Then try to build a simple upload site on your server. That will give you a feel for the scope of your desired project.