11 Replies Latest reply on Feb 27, 2014 5:42 AM by kellybellis

    Why Does PE12 Misplace Added Overlay?

    kellybellis Level 1

      The project is pro-bono for the University of Maine's Surveying Engineering Technologies department and the Screencast-O-Matic clip fills up most of the frame with a much smaller picture-in-picture clip of the instructor should any of that matter. The Version PE12.0 (20130903.main.557123) project is being worked on a Windows 7 Pro 64-bit system.

       

      The problem is this: The added smaller overlay clip of the instructor is placed on top of the larger screen captured video clip. Registration looks fine in PE12's 'Monitor' but after rendering (now three times!) that overlay clip has been shifted.

       

      In particular, the original raw clips (both at 1920 x 1080) that are being worked with come from two sources:

      Canon EOS 5dM3; .mov; H.264;  29.97 fps

      Screencast-O-Matic; .avi; MP42; 10 fps - also its MP4 rendered version.

       

      Can't render correct placement 01.PNG

      In the screen capture above as seen in Windows Media Player (VLC shows similarly) with the overlay clip having slid to the right and well beyond the rightmost limits of the frame.

       

       

      In the screen capture below as seen in the PE12 'Monitor', the clip is properly placed left of the rightmost limits of the frame.

      Can't render correct placement 02.PNG

       

      The well documented (http://forums.adobe.com/message/5770383) problems besetting PE10 and NVIDIA drivers; and moreover, Adobe's and NVIDIA's refusal to address them, forced me to purchase the upgrade to PE12. Thankfully those problems linked with PE10 are not present with PE12; however, it seems that there are new issues plaguing PE... including the program crashing within the first 60 seconds, and the eternity it takes to load an existing project.

       

      In PE, I've tried various approaches in setting the New Project's project settings; e.g.,

       

      DSLR 1080p DSLR 1080p30

      DSLR 1080p DSLR 1080p30 @ 29.97

       

      PE12 output rendering thus far has been limited to 1920x1080 in .wmv format (as requested by the University)

       

      After the first disappointment, I checked for a PE12 update, and after its installation and rebooting the computer, have tried rendering out of PE12 twice more, both unsuccessfully and with identical results.

       

      Thank you for any replies.

        • 1. Re: Why Does PE12 Misplace Added Overlay?
          kellybellis Level 1

          UPDATE..

           

          Further tests indicate the problem of PE12.0 in miscalculating the scale factor to apply in the x coordinate to the anchor point of the small overlay clip is only being observed when rendering out of PE12.0 to .wmv; and in particular, more noticeably observed at 1920 x 1080 than a render out at 720 x 480.

           

          The issue is not present at 1920 x 1080 when rendered out in .f4v, nor has it been observed when the export has been to .mpg at 1920 x 1080.

          • 2. Re: Why Does PE12 Misplace Added Overlay?
            kellybellis Level 1

            UPDATE...

             

            Further tests are indicating that this issue is linked with the discovery that export of either clip alone rendered out of PE12.0 as a .wmv file results in much wider widths for the entire video being displayed over those being reported.

            • 3. Re: Why Does PE12 Misplace Added Overlay?
              kellybellis Level 1

              UPDATE...

               

              The width of the video, though reported to be 1920 by Windows Explorer, Properties, Details tab, the actual measured width of the .wmv video (not of the image area) is 2328 with left and right margins stradling the image area being filled in with black strips. The image area does measure 1920 x 1080.

              • 5. Re: Why Does PE12 Misplace Added Overlay?
                kellybellis Level 1

                Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
                Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.C:\ExifTool>exiftool "C:\True LiDAR Stories\Part 4\Part 4.wmv"
                ExifTool Version Number         : 9.46
                File Name                       : Part 4.wmv
                Directory                       : C:/True LiDAR Stories/Part 4
                File Size                       : 251 MB
                File Modification Date/Time     : 2014:02:26 10:06:05-05:00
                File Access Date/Time           : 2014:02:26 08:27:19-05:00
                File Creation Date/Time         : 2014:02:26 08:27:19-05:00
                File Permissions                : rw-rw-rw-
                File Type                       : WMV
                MIME Type                       : video/x-ms-wmv
                File ID                         : 4789DB58-CD48-43DE-8A6C-FAA408C185F3
                File Length                     : 263543209
                Creation Date                   : 2014:02:26 15:06:04Z
                Data Packets                    : 14010
                Play Duration                   : 0:21:18
                Send Duration                   : 0:21:17
                Preroll                         : 1451
                Flags                           : 2
                Min Packet Size                 : 18805
                Max Packet Size                 : 18805
                Max Bitrate                     : 5.2 Mbps
                Aspect Ratio X                  : 40
                Aspect Ratio Y                  : 33
                WMADRC Peak Reference           : 30925
                WMADRC Peak Target              : 30925
                WMADRC Average Reference        : 2648
                WMADRC Average Target           : 2648
                Number Of Frames                : 38299
                Is VBR                          : True
                ASF Leaky Bucket Pairs          : (Binary data 114 bytes, use -b option to extract)
                Audio Codec Name                : Windows Media Audio 10 Professional
                Audio Codec Description         : 440 kbps, 96 kHz, 2 channel 24 bit 2-pass VBR
                Video Codec Name                : Windows Media Video 9
                Video Codec Description         : Professional
                Audio Codec ID                  : Windows Media Audio Professional V9
                Audio Channels                  : 2
                Audio Sample Rate               : 96000
                Stream Type                     : Video
                Error Correction Type           : No Error Correction
                Time Offset                     : 0 s
                Stream Number                   : 2
                Image Width                     : 1920
                Image Height                    : 1080
                Image Size                      : 1920x1080C:\ExifTool>
                C:\ExifTool>

                • 6. Re: Why Does PE12 Misplace Added Overlay?
                  Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

                  It's hard to say. And it sounds like you're doing a pretty good job of troubleshooting it on your own.

                   

                  But this shifting-when-rendered issue is sometimes related to video formats. And I know you've been experimenting with them too.

                   

                  But just to keep it simple, use only the .mts and .mp4 video. And, before you do, open each video format in G Spot or MediaInfo and post the resolution, frame rate and audio and video codecs it lists.

                  http://www.headbands.com/gspot/

                   

                  No need to post the whole report. This is the only information we need for now.

                  • 7. Re: Why Does PE12 Misplace Added Overlay?
                    kellybellis Level 1

                    Hi Steve,

                     

                    Thank you for the reply.

                     

                    When you say, "But just to keep it simple, use only the .mts and .mp4 video." are you saying to render out of PE12.0 those formats?

                     

                    Kelly

                    • 10. Re: Why Does PE12 Misplace Added Overlay?
                      kellybellis Level 1

                      Steve Grisetti wrote:

                       

                      But this shifting-when-rendered issue is sometimes related to video formats. And I know you've been experimenting with them too.

                       

                      That's pretty much the gist of this report; the .wmv format has problems being properly rendered out of PE12.0

                       

                      At least that's from my own tests. What has anybody else seen when rendering .wmv out of PE12.0 ?

                      • 11. Re: Why Does PE12 Misplace Added Overlay?
                        kellybellis Level 1

                        Note the black strips flanking the image from the .wmv

                        PE12-wmv-issues-04.png