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    What is the alternative software for fireworks?

    ateer1 Level 1

      Fireworks was the best software i dealt with for webgraphics, and as of 2013 it won't be updated anymore, what is the alternative software that might replace it and gets updated?

        • 1. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
          Herbert2001 Level 4

          A difficult question to answer - I guess it depends on your preferred workflow and how you used Fireworks. Fireworks, no matter how you looked at it, did get quite old in the teeth - workflows have changed quite a bit nowadays, and FW was not keeping up. Adobe is, I think, hoping to have Photoshop replace it. But that is not quite the best option right now.

           

          I found a good replacement in Photoline, although it is still missing a couple of things crucial to web dev. The good things are full svg support (import and export), export of (selected) layers, pages, good (real) vector tools, pixel alignment for vector layers, virtual copies of layers, excellent bitmap tools (comparable to PS), good guides, good alignment tools, patterns, a built-in procedural texture maker, document colours (newest beta), pixel view, anti-aliasing control per layer, great down-scaling algorithms, and so on. I use Qolor Quantizer and RIOT for web graphics optimization.

           

          The things missing are: slicing (which I never used anymore anyway - all layer based workflow now); symbols (though virtual layers work as a workaround); a general pixel alignment setting; no html/css output (which I never need anyway).

           

          It can do much more than Fireworks, but for pure web work it is still missing some things. The devs are very open to suggestions, though, and so far have been adding a lot of useful web functionality. It can only improve, in my opinion.

           

          This works for me. I also work with Xara Designer Pro - which does have full html/css export if required. There is also Xara Webdesigner (Pro) (Designer Pro includes all that functionality).

           

          Soon the first version of EvolveUI will be out: http://tribaloid.com/

          It sounds like the perfect FW replacement. As a matter of fact, that project was started by disgruntled ex-FW users.

           

          Of course, you could switch to Photoshop - but that is still too awkward for web work, in my opinion. Illustrator could also be an option. Even InDesign can be used for working web prototypes. But none of these are truly optimized for web work.

           

          In short, do your own research; download the trial version, play around, and see if they do what you need in your web work.

          • 2. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
            josh@joshthomas.com Level 1

            Axure RP is a great option for making wireframes and working prototypes. Not so great for visual design or exporting to image files. I hear of people using Sketch 3, although I haven't since it can't export to PSD.

             

            Personally, I've switched to Adobe Illustrator for my web layouts. I'll use Photoshop for raster manipulation, but Illustrator is great for pixel precision, 9 slice scaling, and multiple layouts with smart objects. My main beef is artboards—there should be no limit on the size, and adding and removing boards is a hassle. Which it worked more like pages in Fireworks.

            • 3. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
              Herbert2001 Level 4

              Josh Thomas wrote:

               

              Axure RP is a great option for making wireframes and working prototypes. Not so great for visual design or exporting to image files. I hear of people using Sketch 3, although I haven't since it can't export to PSD.

              I dislike Axure RP myself - too convoluted, and it feels very clunky to me. I prefer Justinmind Prototyper myself - have you tested the newest version yet? Even the free version is rather useful.

               

              Aside from that, Macaw works very nicely for quick RWD prototyping.

              • 4. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                Energize Level 2

                Xara Designer Pro about near as you'll get to Fireworks:

                 

                http://www.xara.com/uk/designer-pro/

                • 5. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                  eGranville Level 1

                  I just learned about Affinity Designer (Apple Design Award winner) and I'm getting excited again for the first time since hearing Adobe will kill off Fireworks. Love the speed!

                  Affinity Designer - Professional graphic design software for the Mac

                  • 6. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                    MACnTUTOR Adobe Community Professional

                    Is there a specific use, such as wire framing or pro to-typing, that you have been using Fireworks for? That would help answer your question.

                     

                    This recent article suggests some general alternatives such as Sketch, Macaw and Anetype.
                    What Does The Future Hold For Adobe Fireworks?


                    Sketch

                    Macaw

                    Antetype

                     

                    Other possible replacements for Fireworks include:
                    Evolve UI (Open Source) by Tribaloid
                    Tribaloid | Engineering creativity

                     

                    Gravit (currently in Beta and available by invitation)

                    Gravit

                     

                    If you continue to use Fireworks today, you will be interested in Fireworks extension resource sites such as these:

                    Fireworks Extensions from John Dunning

                    Project Phoenix – An Adobe Fireworks Extensions Revival Project

                    Orange Commands – A Collection of Scripts for Adobe Fireworks

                    Adobe Fireworks Extensions & Commands for Web Designers

                    • 7. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                      ryanmaclean Level 1

                      These days I would say you should have a serious look at Sketch 3, which is in the App Store on Macs: Sketch 3 on the Mac App Store

                      • 8. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                        lucyo Level 1

                        I agree. I am SUPER bummed out that it is no longer available with creative cloud.  As much as this product costs I pretty annoyed that one of my favorite adobe products is no longer available.  I hope the version I currently have don't stop working. 

                        • 9. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                          MJCO Level 1

                          Fireworks CS6 is still available in CC, under the previous versions section:

                           

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                          • 10. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                            Jay Nandu Level 1

                            Muse for the time being.
                            Maybe Project Comet coming in 2016

                            • 11. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                              Herbert2001 Level 4

                              Neither are replacements for Fireworks. Muse cannot edit bitmaps, or create vector graphics like Fireworks does. You will still need a bitmap editor and perhaps a vector editor to accomplish that (Photoshop, Illustrator).

                               

                              Comet will be a user interface design and prototyping app: again, for asset generation you would need other applications.

                               

                              I suppose currently Xara Designer Pro comes pretty close on WIndows (if you require it all in one application). For Mac, Sketch seems to be a popular alternative. I prefer Photoline with Inkscape and a smattering of plugins and other small external utilities.

                              • 12. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                fiddlesticks411 Level 1

                                I've been a Fireworks user since before MX and 8 (Macromedia). For the past half a decade I've used it on a daily basis (literally) for my work. What Adobe has done by killing Fireworks is pathetic, IMO. Couple that with their monthly fees, and I just shake my head and hope for a way out.

                                 

                                So I've been toying with a relatively new app and just this past week I came to the conclusion that it's time to move on from Fireworks. Enter Affinity Designer. I've tried Sketch, Illustrator and more, but none of them felt "comfortable" after Fireworks. Affinity Designer is what I've been looking for, and it keeps getting better and better. If I save my Fireworks files as psds, I can open them fairly well in Affinity Designer. Text is usually out of whack and groups have to be ungrouped first, but it's doable. Coupled with the ever-improving Affinity Photo and the anticipation of Affinity Publisher, the day is nearing where I use the Affinity software—along with Capture One Pro (like Lightroom) and Final Cut Pro X (pro once again)—and say adios to Adobe.

                                 

                                Or Adobe buys up Serif and I'm back to square one.

                                • 13. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                  Energize Level 2

                                  Thats no use for people on Windows ... There is no replacement for Fireworks. Adobe thinks people should use 3 different apps to replace Fireworks. CLUELESS !!!!

                                  • 14. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                    fiddlesticks411 Level 1

                                    Yes, Energize, I probably should have mentioned the HUGE caveat, that it's only for Mac. Such a bummer, too, because it's such a great app. I am seriously perplexed about Adobe killing Fireworks. It's not like Apple killing Aperture (which I loved), because Apple is quite obviously making their money on consumer and pro-sumer offerings. All I can think of is that Adobe was married to Illustrator, so Fireworks had to go. There's so many of us that love Fireworks, it definitely seems like Adobe couldn't care less. But I obviously don't see the full picture, so who knows.

                                    • 15. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                      Nostromov Level 1

                                      ateer1 Fireworks, by far, the best - of the best (hehe); & it's unfortunate how it won't be developed any longer. Although I have high praise for it, I guess that I wouldn't go as far as to compare it to the MURDER of Logic Audio (Pro), for example. ;-/

                                      Apple acquired Emagic in July 2002.[1] Support for the Windows version was dropped with the release of Logic 6 shortly thereafter.

                                      @The John Lennon Educational Tour Bus

                                       

                                      ^^ It was been unbelievable, what Apple had done (it's, really, too bad that -like- a class-action lawsuit, or something, hasn't /hadn't come-up, meh. ), not to go offtopic 2 much, hear... I remember what, just, starting-out w/web development & installing and loading Fireworks (w/teh, back-then, Macromedia DreamWeaver), for the first time!.. What wondrous experience, LOL!!

                                       

                                      In any case, yeah, thank you for the thread - gonna look around /read some more - good luck, tc. =)

                                       

                                      Edit:
                                      *an ^^ EXCITING -new- experience (revolutionary, even, bc there had been *nothing* like it, b4), the premise of the software - interface, menu(s), options; the sheer potential of what had become available... It was like flying to the moon: sky was the limit!! No telling WHAT this thing could do, hehe (simply loved it)!

                                      • 16. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                        katherine.mary Level 1

                                        did you find anything? the essential for me was that it had superior vectors and having pages in addition to layers and groups. no other software that I know of has pages. I cant stand illustrator and its lame artboard

                                         

                                        photoshop comes closest with layers and groups but the "shapes" is a joke.
                                        Im so lost if I cant do everything I did with fireworks. iterations with pages and ability to create assets for web pages in addition to ads for marketing are best in fireworks. I loved and needed to be able to save out some or all those pages at once. you cant do anything like that in any other program that I know of.

                                        • 17. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                          katherine.mary Level 1

                                          didnt find evolveUI on tribaloid but did find it on the chrome store. have not tried it yet. dont really think it will live up to my expectations with regard to fireworks but Ill check it out. thanks for the other links. I think photoline might work if it does pages.

                                          • 18. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                            katherine.mary Level 1

                                            I dont find Energize for mac. ipad, iphone but not mac. it appears to be some kind of design service which is not what I want. maybe Im looking for the wrong thing? anyone have a url to it?

                                            • 19. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                              katherine.mary Level 1

                                              after reading some of these responses I think I know why adobe did this. for most of us fireworks did it all for web graphics. so if fireworks were in the cloud you would only have to spend 9 bucks a month to use it.
                                              remove it and then if you can stand to use illustrator and photoshop and whatever else you think might do some of what you did in fireworks you would then have to subscribe to a higher monthly fee to do in multiple programs what you now do in one. this is simple capitalist greed.

                                              I never thought I would seriously ever consider ANY other software than adobe. looks like now Ill go try out some of these other products. which BTW I would never have heard of if I were not looking to replace the abandoned fireworks.

                                              • 20. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                Energize Level 2

                                                Just keep using Fireworks  - there's an extension for SVG import / export that works fine as well and I don't see any reason as there is no viable replacement

                                                • 21. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                  fiddlesticks411 Level 1

                                                  The problem with continuing to use Fireworks is that the operating systems are going to leave it behind. Like Final Cut Pro 7, hanging on for a while worked, but it was a stop-gap measure. The day came when moving on was imperative because OSX kept moving forward. For Mac users, Fireworks is starting to fail on the latest OS, so the time to move is nigh. Sigh.

                                                  • 22. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                    katherine.mary Level 1

                                                    alas I have to agree. and Ive given everything that was recommended in this thread and found only one crown jewel that will do what I need in order to move on. Affinity Design.


                                                    I dont really want to leave my fireworks behind but adobe has given me no choice. I have to find supported software that fits my workflow before I can no longer even open the plethora of work which I rely on.

                                                    I used Freehand until it was more than dead. lost much by not getting things converted before it was too late.

                                                     

                                                    adobe says to keep an eye on the forthcoming "comet" but I do not think that will address anything more than UI design and that I can do anywhere.

                                                    • 23. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                      Energize Level 2

                                                      For Windows users I don't see any need to switch to something inferior, less intuitive or user friendly to Fireworks that makes life more difficult and slows down the workflow, Fireworks runs on Windows 10 too. It might be different for Mac users and there are a couple of reasonable alternative options for Mac that aren't available to Windows users ... unless something drastically changes I see no need to abandoned Fireworks to use two or three clunky programs to replace it ......

                                                      • 24. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                        Herbert2001 Level 4

                                                        I agree: age of an application does not matter, as long as it serves the job. Windows users are somewhat luckier in that compatibility with older software is generally better compared to Macs.

                                                        • 25. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                          katherine.mary Level 1

                                                          not to be argumentative sir, but as a dual platform user, I do not find mac software to be defunct or deficient by age more often than that of windows.

                                                           

                                                          I went to mac kicking and screaming -- completely against my will in 1993. Within a few hours I was so smitten I knew Id never go back solely to a windows machine. never. ever.

                                                           

                                                          no one in my family ever has to ask me to figure out what happened on their mac...but on a PC I am always getting...what happened...is it broken..can you fix it? with a PC I say, restart. reboot. pray. lol

                                                           

                                                          OMGosh my son had 4 windows machines to my one mac in 5 years. He finally got the message. Get a mac!


                                                          Im dual now simple because the jobs require it and lets face it..Im a tech junky. lol

                                                          • 26. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                            Herbert2001 Level 4

                                                            No worries, my favourite platform is actually STILL the Commodore Amiga and its AmigaOS/Workbench environment! Ah, those were the days!

                                                             

                                                            I also run a Mac in a virtual machine, and teach on Macs and Windows machines. I am platform-agnostic. I was merely hinting at the Mac platform's switch to Intel CPUs from PowerPC CPUs, which does hinder running older software on the newer MacOSX versions. Freehand being one example.

                                                            • 27. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                              fiddlesticks411 Level 1

                                                              Specific to this particular conversation, however, people are reporting that Fireworks is failing to run on the latest Mac OS. Not all, but enough so that some of us have not upgraded our Macs yet. So at this point, finding an alternative is in order, if not imperative.

                                                              • 28. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                                Herbert2001 Level 4

                                                                Yes, true. For some it works, for others it does not, or is half-broken.

                                                                 

                                                                There is no true replacement for FIreworks. Just like there is no replacement for After Effects, or for Flash. Fireworks is very specific in what it does right. I have replaced it with a bunch of applications. And obviously those applications are much more feature-rich in some areas, and less in others.

                                                                 

                                                                I would have to add, though, that Fireworks is starting to show its age in many areas. Let's hope someone will take note, and come up with a modernized updated alternative.

                                                                • 29. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                                  katherine.mary Level 1

                                                                  Fireworks to Affinity! Maintain Vector editability, keep content from pages.



                                                                  Here's how to save your valuable Fireworks Assets, preserve editable vectors, keep the content on alternate pages from completely disappearing, or having to be painfully saved out as separate files.

                                                                   

                                                                  You may desire to save all your FW PAGES out as individual files preserving layers instead of choosing to include them all in one file.

                                                                   

                                                                  Before proceeding please note I have not tried this with PAGES that have "shared" layers. SO your mileage may vary.

                                                                   

                                                                  My testing so far only includes FW files with multiple layers, groups and pages. None of which was shared across pages.

                                                                   

                                                                  Open your fireworks file and for best results make sure EVERYTHING on every layer and every page is UNGROUPED, UNLOCKED and VISIBLE.

                                                                   

                                                                  Convert text to paths IF you need to preserve the styles and effects applied to text. If you do not the text may remain editable when you open in Illustrator but it will have lost the styles and colors applied and be a weird pale green color.

                                                                   

                                                                  EXPORT the file as "FXG and Images" Select ALL PAGES from the Menu before clicking on "save".

                                                                   

                                                                  Open illustrator C5 or newer.

                                                                   

                                                                  Create a NEW Illustrator document.

                                                                   

                                                                  PLACE the FXG file you saved out from FW into the new document.

                                                                   

                                                                  EVERY page from the original FW file is present but now everything is now on one "page". You have lost individual pages--but at least everything is there and you can add artboards or pages to affinity and move items over to additional pages or artboards. Not as neat as your FW pages were but better than nothing. And considering all Affinity has to offer its a small price to pay.

                                                                   

                                                                  NEXT Go to the layers panel and make sure everything that can be ungrouped is UNGROUPED, UNLOCKED, and NOT Hidden. If you have not already converted text to paths do it now as editable text will not be preserved when you open the file in Affinity Design.

                                                                   

                                                                  RESAVE AS an Illustrator CS5 or better .ai file. UNcheck "compression" before you save.

                                                                   

                                                                  OPEN the .ai file in Affinity. DONT FREAK OUT. The thumbnail preview will look scary but its all okay. Just click to open the file.

                                                                   

                                                                  Viola. Every vector is there and editable. Though you may have to yet again UNGROUP if you neglected to do this in any of the steps above.

                                                                   

                                                                  Not all of your styles or effects will have been preserved in the vectors. At least you havent lost everything. And wont have to start from scratch. Select individual vector items and you can ADD their styles in Affinitys style panel for use in other projects.

                                                                   

                                                                  NOTE: you might ask why cant I just save out as .ai from FW. Well the problem there is that FW only saves out as an ancient version of Illustrator 8 and nothing is preserved when the file is opened in Affinity.

                                                                   

                                                                  You can also save from illustrator as an EPS and open that in Affinity. I don't like using EPS as the colors "shift" noticeably and the quality of the graphics dont seem to be as well preserved as when you go from Fireworks to FXG and then to Illustrator and back out as C25 .ai or better.

                                                                  • 30. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                                    Herbert2001 Level 4

                                                                    There are a couple of issues with that approach (depending on the artwork).

                                                                    1. strokes with paint effects such as "Fluid Splatter" and a filter applied are converted to pure images. Those strokes are no longer editable.
                                                                    2. feathered edges are lost.

                                                                    I do not mind the second (simple to remedy with a gaussian blur), but the first one is a bit of a problem under circumstances.

                                                                    For those instances SVG export would be a better option, since it is easier to repair the file later in other software. At least, that is my experience. For simpler files I would also prefer SVG for a simple reason: no reliance on Illustrator. Not everyone owns a copy of Illy.

                                                                    • 31. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                                      fiddlesticks411 Level 1

                                                                      I found saving as a psd file (after ungrouping any groups) works pretty well. Opens in Affinity Designer without having to use Illustrator. Especially if you aren't paying for Adobe products at that point in time (Fireworks CS6 users). Text is usually off the canvas, but I just pull it back onto the canvas. Sometimes I'll place the final file (jpg, etc.) as the background in Affinity Designer then use it as a template for re-aligning anything.

                                                                      • 32. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                                        katherine.mary Level 1

                                                                        I did not think Affinity could open SVG and I had recently read it was not that good at retaining information. Ill give it another look.

                                                                        • 33. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                                          katherine.mary Level 1


                                                                          Ill give it a look but seriously its been my experience that saving as PSD loses the content from other pages in addition to rendering vectors as botmaps. I wanted to forgo having to save every single page out as a separate file as Ive had to do when taking anything to photoshop, let alone affinity.

                                                                           

                                                                          I did lose my feathering. however, I assume thats a small price to pay if every thing else remains intact and IF affinity can apply feathering to the edges of Vectors. Im still learning that tool so we will see.

                                                                          • 34. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                                            katherine.mary Level 1

                                                                            so Ive noticed that every single post I make has to be moderated. Thats never been the case before. So why now? And yes, moderator, Im asking you to respond. 

                                                                             

                                                                            Adobe does not want to support Fireworks. Thats on Adobe. All we are trying to do is not lose years of editable work by finding a tool that can do what fireworks used to do. My fireworks no longer functions properly. and I am not about to upgrade to CS6 when you have made it clear its a dead tool.

                                                                             

                                                                            You took away freehand and did not make illustrator the responsive tool that it was. So we went to Fireworks. Now you are abandoning FW and again leaving a vacuum.

                                                                             

                                                                            I for one feel completely insulted that after 15 years of owning adobe products not only is the tool of my choice being abandoned AGAIN but you are now watching my every post as if I need your permission to speak here.

                                                                             

                                                                            Completely insulted.

                                                                             

                                                                            I will not post here again. And my guess is you dont care.

                                                                            • 35. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                                              Chuck Uebele Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                              The moderation has to do with a spam filter that Jive uses. It's really nothing personal, and Adobe is trying to work with Jive to make the process of posting as easy as possible. But without the filter, the forums get hit my massive amounts of spam. We try and approve the post as fast as possible, but it is limited by how many mods are looking at the forums at any given time.

                                                                              • 36. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                                                Herbert2001 Level 4

                                                                                Chuck, my posts are also constantly being moderated now. It is a real pain.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Unfortunately, Jive has no "reject all by this user" / "approve all by this user" options. Adobe's rep should be able to put some weight behind the suggestion aimed at the Jive developers to add these options.

                                                                                 

                                                                                It will also help you guys behind the scenes with moderation. It really is insane that a community board system such as Jive is missing these very basic moderation features.

                                                                                • 37. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                                                  katherine.mary Level 1

                                                                                  Okay that explains a lot. Thank you. And totally appreciate the lack of spam! :-)

                                                                                  • 38. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                                                    katherine.mary Level 1

                                                                                    Its become imperative for me. I will not hold back my computers upgrades for just one application.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    And the issues with my beloved FWs numerous application fails are starting to interfere with work flow and speed.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Ill probably, still ocassionally "rent" an upgraded version of Photoshop. but unless Illustrator becomes more like FW Im done with that road. I did not like Illustrator when I had freehand. I own it and I keep trying to love it..but I simply hate it.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Someone said to keep my eye on comet. But that is strictly UX. and I dunno about you, but I can prototype UI, websites, mobile applications with a lot of other apps. And Im not "just" UX.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I dunno...maybe it creates a savvy button? and comes preloaded with methods for testing layouts on various devices..which I can already do elsewhere...but can it do all that AND create an apple like fireworks can? We'll see. Never say never???

                                                                                    • 39. Re: What is the alternative software for fireworks?
                                                                                      katherine.mary Level 1

                                                                                      OMG!!! Commodore 64! my first love!

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Amiga 2000 was my second love.... oh I am really showing my age!

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Platform agnostic...totally love that!

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