23 Replies Latest reply on Mar 6, 2014 1:32 AM by MatejP84

    Upgrading or buying new computer

    MatejP84

      Hello folks,

       

      I need some help.

       

      My current build is: normal PC, i5 3350P, 16GB RAM, GTX660. I have windows 8.1 and mac OS X 10.9.2 (hackintosh) installed on that computer. I installed OS X more for fun and to explore it as viable option to change my working OS.

      After some testing I can say that photoshop is about 5-10% faster in OS X, than windows 8.1. I have more RAM available, no wacom tablet bugs and better workflow (I just LOVE mac OS color mixer, where I upgraded functionalities with plugins and is waaay better than in windows). That said, I prefer to work in OS X than windows enviroment.

       

      But that is not my problem, my problem is slow response time of photoshop. I'm digital artist so I use photoshop mainly for drawing. brush, mixer brush, smudge and similar tools are my "main weapons" and all of those seem slow or have significant "lag". I tried many settings os OS itself, photoshop and brush settings, but nothing really improved my work. I currently work on mostly around 1920x1080 resolution with some pieces reaching 4000x4000 or maybe even more. But 4000x4000 picture is a big problem for my system and HD resolution is on edge of frustration. Sometimes I get lost in my work and I'm moving pen over screen pretty fast and photoshop just can't keep up with me, sometimes even with simple brush. I would love to swithc to 4K resolution this year so I can make bigger pictures and much more details.

       

      Now my question is: is it possible to get rid of that lag? I have asked adobe and they haven't give me any good answer on that so I'm mainly asking people with better systems if they experience any lag at all?

      I'm thinking about upgrading my system or buying mac pro (which would be currently overkill for me as I'm still learning to draw and use programs but I plan to learn about drawing and animation and some 3D modelling as well, but nothing too fancy). I was looking at 6-core, 16-32GB, 512GB, 2x D300 mac pro system, but it's pricetag is 4300+€ in my country and that is kinda pulling me off about my decision. I would gladly pay out that kind of money if I would be assured that my work would be smooth, but I don't really know if it is that much of an upgrade over my current system or in other words: is it worth buying it if I already have my computer that is not even outdated yet?

       

      Thank you for your help and time reading my wall of text Sorry about english.

       

      Best regards.

        • 1. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
          Curt Y Level 7

          If your brush is large enough it will have lag even on the best syttems.  A fast processor, lots of RAM,  and a fast video card with 2g of ram is probably your best bet.  SSD would also help.

          • 2. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
            Noel Carboni Level 8

            This is a subject where there's a distinct problem with communicating details.

             

            At one point I was considering doing up a benchmark where painting performance could be quantized.  I did make a thread on that a while back.  Fairly few participated: 

             

            http://forums.adobe.com/message/4171138

             

            Please feel free to go through that and post your results.  Perhaps I will too - I had a different workstation back then.

             

            -Noel

            • 3. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
              Noel Carboni Level 8

              I have Photoshop CC on a big 12 core Dell Precision T5500 workstation with dual Xeon x5690 3.47 GHz processors, 48 GB DDR3 ECC RAM, a VisionTek ATI Radeon HD 7850 2 GB video card, and an SSD RAID array from which everything runs (OS, applications, swap, data, scratch, temp).  I'm running Windows 8.1 Pro.

               

              1.  Photoshop cold-starts (from starting the shortcut to UI fully painted) in 2.4 seconds.  No significant difference from first to subsequent starts.

               

              2.  File - Save As, PSD of 10,000 x 8,000 x 16 bits document:  1.8 seconds.

               

              3a - 3f.  No perceptible brush lag to 400 px, ever so slight lag at 600 px, slightly longer lag at 1000 px, but still perfectly usable.  Strokes with a 1000 px round soft brush easily caught up with the cursor between numbers when painting, e.g., "1000".  The lag was maybe 1/4 second at worst.

               

              3g:  At 2000 px in diameter, it was radically slower.  Too slow to be useful for anything other than occasional touch up.  A little more experimentation showed that the cutoff for interactive usability is around 1400 px on this system.

               

              4.  Lens blur took 28 seconds to completely display the preview at 20px blur and all other controls 0.

               

              5.  Unsharp Mask took 3.8 seconds to complete on the 10,000 x 8,000 image at 250%, 250 px, 0 levels.

               

              6. Camera Raw timings:

               

              Canon EOS 7D image:

              - 2.2 seconds from drop on Photoshop to appearance of preview in Camera Raw. 

              - 2.2 seconds from [Open Image] to appearance in Photoshop UI.

               

              Nikon D7000 image:

              - 1.0 seconds from drop on Photoshop to appearance of preview in Camera Raw.

              - 1.2 seconds from [Open Image] to appearance in Photoshop UI.

               

              -Noel

              • 4. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                JJMack Most Valuable Participant

                MatejP84 wrote:

                 

                Hello folks,

                 

                I need some help.

                 

                I'm digital artist so I use photoshop mainly for drawing. brush, mixer brush, smudge and similar tools are my "main weapons" and all of those seem slow or have significant "lag".

                Do not try to be that real artist you see on TV that paints with large house paint brushes where paint mix and flow  in real time and can paint a pictures in less the a half hour.  In the digital world world there is only digital paint which needs intensive calculations to simulate real world paint properties.  Use small brush tips an slow deliberate strokes.

                • 5. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                  MatejP84 Level 1

                  Now I'm little embarrased...

                  1. Photoshop starts in like 4-5 seconds.

                  2. PSD is saved pretty fast, around 1.2second, not even using SSD.

                  3. I already get slight lag at 300px and unusable anything over 500px.

                  4. Lens blur took more than a minute, I thought photoshop frozen but I waited out. It was damn slow...

                  5. Unsharp mask took 1.7s. Which is weird, probably graphics card working on that not CPU?

                  6. I haven't tested that yet.

                  • 6. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                    MatejP84 Level 1

                    JJMack wrote:

                     

                    Do not try to be that real artist you see on TV that paints with large house paint brushes where paint mix and flow  in real time and can paint a pictures in less the a half hour.  In the digital world world there is only digital paint which needs intensive calculations to simulate real world paint properties.  Use small brush tips an slow deliberate strokes.

                     

                    Yes I don't work with brushes over 200px, but mixer brushand other tools are very slow even at lower settings.

                    I usually use soft brush around 10-100px with transfer set to pen sensitivity for color mixing/blending, but larger the image, slower it gets. Smudge tool is useless in most situations except if I only use it on very small location. Working on multiple layers is not an option at all which bugs me a lot because I have a workflow where I put basic shading color on one layer and then I blend/smudge on layer on top so if I screw up too much I can delete layer and start over.

                     

                    Doesn anyone have experience about RAM at 4K pictures? Would be 16GB enough for it or I would need more? I was working on some pictures and I hit RAM barrier under OS X, but it was only twice. I always have photoshop and internet browser opened up at once (browser takes up 1-2 GB of RAM).

                    • 7. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                      engintoprak

                      I've same computer like you but i don't know my computer slow. There is a problem my system, i didn't find yet. i will check again system and hardware.

                       

                      halı yıkama konya

                      • 8. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                        Noel Carboni Level 8

                        More RAM is better, much more is much better - no matter what size you're working at.

                         

                        -Noel

                        • 9. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                          JJMack Most Valuable Participant

                          For mixer brushes I think its your single processor clock speed it the most important aspect there is very little the can be done in parallel a single thread operation I believe.  One core of your I5 is doing all the work.

                          • 10. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                            MatejP84 Level 1

                            Ok my question remains: is it worth upgrading my current system with mac pro?

                            I would take 6-core version, 32GB RAM and 512GB SSD.

                             

                            Planning to do on computer: drawing, 2D image editing, 3D modelling (simple models mostly used for constructing scenes and basic modelas for drawing), animation.

                             

                            For 4600€ I get mac pro with 3 years extended warranty and wireless keyboard and mouse. If I buy that computer, it ouwld last me for at least 3 years if not maybe even more probably and I would be able to use 4k monitor which I have a plan to buy (dell up2414Q model) as well.

                             

                            I will be forced to upgrade my system sooner or later as current one doesn't support 4K monitor (not resolution and no displayport connector), and I would love to have real mac for my work instead of something fake. So my options are now:

                             

                            -cash out lots of money now and buy mac pro and I can buy new monitor in one month, I have computer for 3 years and great monitor with lots of working space and better colour gamut than now.

                            -or wait until apple release normal iMac which would support 4K monitor (not sure how much I would have to wait here).

                            -or buy macbook pro for about 3000€ which has less performance than normal mac pro and I don't really need computer to carry around.

                            • 11. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                              Noel Carboni Level 8

                              After having looked at the configurations, personally I'd suggest stretching your budget to the 8 core Mac Pro and DEFINITELY the 1 TB flash.

                               

                              -Noel

                              • 12. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                                MatejP84 Level 1

                                Noel Carboni wrote:

                                 

                                After having looked at the configurations, personally I'd suggest stretching your budget to the 8 core Mac Pro and DEFINITELY the 1 TB flash.

                                 

                                -Noel

                                When I was deciding about CPU I have read one article somewhere about multithreaded and singlethreaded operations in photoshop. As artist and mainly using brush tools (which are mainly singlethreaded operations) it would be better to take less core CPU with better single core performance due to higher frequency. Also I read somewhere on adobe pages that going over 6 cores the benefit of more cores is starting to diminish out.

                                 

                                About SSD size, at start I was thinking to take only 256GB version, but then I remembered I also need windows to be installed so I will take 512GB and divide it 200GB for windows and rest for OS X (around 300GB). I think 300GB should be sufficient for my work as I have now installed system and all programs I actually need and it takes only little more than 100GB. The rest should be used by data. I will also buy 2x 3TB thunderbolt external HDD's. One for storage and additional windows disk for programs and data and the other for backuping.

                                • 13. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                                  boo radley 2013 Level 3

                                  I don't think I've ever seen a Photoshop without brush lag, no matter what system it's running under. There's always going to be a brush lag, no matter how small it is. Even on a Wacom Cintiq, when you glide the cursor around the screen without pressing the pen down, the cursor still lags behind your hand ever so slightly  - this is the hardware. Also, I haven't seen any mention of what DPI anyone is using for their images - is it 72dpi or , say, 300dpi? Makes a *huge* difference.

                                   

                                  I can have a 300dpi, 4000px x 4000px document, and paint with a normal soft brush at 400 pixels with very small lag time - but the lag is definitely there. Not enough to slow things down in a majro way though, I'm used to it and the lag time is very short. If I reduce that image size down to 72dpi, then the lag is even less.

                                   

                                  For mixer brush, it will operate much slower if 'sample all layers' is ticked on. If you turn off this option, the brush will speed up dramatically. Also, I have had many instances where for unknown reasons, the mixer brush just slows down to a screeching halt, out of nowhere. And this is with 'sample all layers' turned off. I find that a way to fix it sometimes is click somewhere outside of my document window (click somewhere on the gray empty space in behind the document window) and then for whatever reason it's fixed. A bug maybe, I don't know. Also, your rbush spacing is a major issue as well - if your spacing is set to 1, then the brush is going to be slow. You can bump that up to 10 and maybe a bit higher, and not really see a visual difference in your painting (at least with the mixer brush, and the brush will really speed up (works for both normal brush and mixer brush though).

                                   

                                  Anyhow, I think that even with a top of the line system like that, you're still going to get a lag under random circumstances - I'm not sure that investing that sort of $$$ is going to give you exactly what you want, because I don't know if Photoshop is capable of giving the kind of performance you 're looking for at all times. That's a lot of $$$ just to get rid of a brush lag - think about it. If the lag is that bad, I would consider spending a lot more time experimenting to find out what you can do to improve it, instead of dumping that sort of coin into something that's probably not going to solve your problem 100% of the time.

                                   

                                  For what it's worth, I'm running a Windows7 64-bit i5 4570, 16GB ram, simple on-board video, and old hard drives... the scratch disk is on an older partitoned sata2 drive... and no problems here working with larger documents (300dpi 4000px x 4000px and even much larger than that. Brush lag is always minimal.

                                  • 14. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                                    MatejP84 Level 1

                                    boo radley 2013 wrote:

                                     

                                    I don't think I've ever seen a Photoshop without brush lag, no matter what system it's running under. There's always going to be a brush lag, no matter how small it is. Even on a Wacom Cintiq, when you glide the cursor around the screen without pressing the pen down, the cursor still lags behind your hand ever so slightly  - this is the hardware. Also, I haven't seen any mention of what DPI anyone is using for their images - is it 72dpi or , say, 300dpi? Makes a *huge* difference.

                                     

                                    I can have a 300dpi, 4000px x 4000px document, and paint with a normal soft brush at 400 pixels with very small lag time - but the lag is definitely there. Not enough to slow things down in a majro way though, I'm used to it and the lag time is very short. If I reduce that image size down to 72dpi, then the lag is even less.

                                     

                                    For mixer brush, it will operate much slower if 'sample all layers' is ticked on. If you turn off this option, the brush will speed up dramatically. Also, I have had many instances where for unknown reasons, the mixer brush just slows down to a screeching halt, out of nowhere. And this is with 'sample all layers' turned off. I find that a way to fix it sometimes is click somewhere outside of my document window (click somewhere on the gray empty space in behind the document window) and then for whatever reason it's fixed. A bug maybe, I don't know. Also, your rbush spacing is a major issue as well - if your spacing is set to 1, then the brush is going to be slow. You can bump that up to 10 and maybe a bit higher, and not really see a visual difference in your painting (at least with the mixer brush, and the brush will really speed up (works for both normal brush and mixer brush though).

                                     

                                    Anyhow, I think that even with a top of the line system like that, you're still going to get a lag under random circumstances - I'm not sure that investing that sort of $$$ is going to give you exactly what you want, because I don't know if Photoshop is capable of giving the kind of performance you 're looking for at all times. That's a lot of $$$ just to get rid of a brush lag - think about it. If the lag is that bad, I would consider spending a lot more time experimenting to find out what you can do to improve it, instead of dumping that sort of coin into something that's probably not going to solve your problem 100% of the time.

                                     

                                    For what it's worth, I'm running a Windows7 64-bit i5 4570, 16GB ram, simple on-board video, and old hard drives... the scratch disk is on an older partitoned sata2 drive... and no problems here working with larger documents (300dpi 4000px x 4000px and even much larger than that. Brush lag is always minimal.

                                     

                                    I know there will always be brush lag - it's the basic limitation of USB and CPU processing data from USB. I actually use cintiq which is very good tool and I got used to some little lag. But it is impossible to work when I get more than 2 second lag or even more. I usually do my work at 300dpi or 110dpi, never less and never more and I get some lag already at 100px brush and it's not only normal brush, but mixer and smudge tool as well. I use mixer smudge and normal soft brush a lot at blending and mixing colours.

                                     

                                    I'm also trying to avoid using "sample all layers" on some tools, but sometimes some things are on different layers and I just can't merge them up because it would screw up my work. Instead I hide all uneeded layers and work only on 2 or 3 working layers. That seems to help, but when I get 2+ second lag, nothing helps, not even disabling sampling over all layers. I have tried many things, settings, drivers, nothing really really worked. I written to adobe and I got nothing usefull back from them.

                                     

                                    Also this investment is not only because of lag brush but also because:

                                     

                                    -I would love to buy myself 4K monitor and give back cintiq to my friend who lend it to me. Cintiq is great, don't get me wrong, but still very very limited at resolution and quality of picture isn't really the one of top monitor models.

                                    -I would like to have a real mac instead of "hackintosh", because this just isn't working as it should (some things just doesn't work because it's fitting some software on hardware that is not designed for, no USB 3.0, sleep doesn't work,...). I found mac way better to work with than windows (less work distraction, better support programs, less clutter, not hassle about drivers, viruses and stuff like that anymore,...). I actually use windows now only for gaming when I have some free time.

                                    -I would like to buy myself a good computer that will last me at least 3+ years. Until now I was upgrading my computer every year or two. Sometimes only GFX card, sometimes just some more RAM, sometimes new disk, sometimes whole new matherboard with CPU,... Never I had really really good computer. Every year I spend about 1000€ on computer parts and never I had good system tow work/play with.

                                     

                                    As my options at apple computers are very limited I have only 2 actually that are able to run 4K display:

                                    -mac pro - great design and idea. Computer is small enough to put it in backpack and carry it around and performance is good.

                                    -macbook pro - I really don't need mobile computer, well at least not in a notebook format. Here performance suffers on account of mobility. In addition to everything I also don't really need built in monitor, because I will get myself better one.

                                     

                                    There is also one more option I could go for:

                                    -change GFX card on my current system that would support 4K monitor, but that would mean I'm still stuck with current CPU which just can't handle stuff I do and also stuck with "hackintosh".

                                     

                                    I have read somewhere that 4th generation of intel CPU's are much better than 3rd generation, specifically GPU part. My CPU doesn't have a GPU as I got it cheaper and I bought GTX660 anyway. But that was a little mistake as nvidia only supports openCL 1.1 and AMD cards supprot openCL 1.2 which can be much faster in some circumstances. I can't upgrade to 4th generation without changing my motherboard as well and even that won't be much of an upgrade.

                                    Thing is that with my current system I can barely work on 1920x1080 @300dpi.

                                     

                                    I'm thinking a lot about that investment as it is really big even for me. I would just like to be sure if it is big enough upgrade to justify the cost or not. Few weeks ago when mac pro got released I tried it at apple store and played a bit and it is ultra fast. The test I have done wasn't really extensive as only had few mintues because more people were there waiting to try it out.

                                    • 15. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                                      StrongBeaver Level 3

                                      I don't see what's wrong with his current PC, maybe a little optimizing his workflow would help ? Why doesn't the author try to go for the state of the art video card (Titan) see how thing work from there.  I'm considering a Titan, I don't know what to do with my current card

                                      • 16. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                                        MatejP84 Level 1

                                        StrongBeaver wrote:

                                         

                                        I don't see what's wrong with his current PC, maybe a little optimizing his workflow would help ? Why doesn't the author try to go for the state of the art video card (Titan) see how thing work from there.  I'm considering a Titan, I don't know what to do with my current card

                                         

                                        I'm open to suggestions about workflow... And idea would be great.

                                        • 17. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                                          Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional (Moderator)

                                          StrongBeaver wrote:

                                           

                                          I don't see what's wrong with his current PC, maybe a little optimizing his workflow would help ? Why doesn't the author try to go for the state of the art video card (Titan) see how thing work from there.  I'm considering a Titan, I don't know what to do with my current card

                                           

                                          That's a bad idea.  Systems need to be balanced with no one component much faster than the rest of the system.  Appart from anything else, a medium spec'd system will probably be in a small to mid sized case, and a high end graphics card simply wouldn't fit in it. 

                                          • 18. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                                            boo radley 2013 Level 3

                                            your current system should be handling photoshop with few problems. If you're having problems with an image at 300dpi 4000x4000 with your hardware then you should troubleshoot first before dumping all kinds of coin into something else. That's only 13 inches x 13inches - not too much bigger than a normal sheet of paper... like I said I can go double that easily and have no problems... you hardware should also be able to take that on.

                                             

                                            There's one method that will absolutely imrpove your performance and it's to formate your hard drive, re-install Windows and Photoshop. This way you're dealing with a brand new system again and Photoshop will work like new. This will cost you 1 or 2 hours at most to do. I've done it many many times and it always solves any lags my system encounters. It's like an oil change for your car - you feel the smoothness right away.

                                             

                                            Any time you buy a new, more powerful system, you'll see an increase in performance that's for sure. But for that kind of $$$ you better be getting a system that's more powerful than anything NASA uses ... seriously though in my opinion your system is reasonable already, and I doubt you're going to see THAT much improvement that will make you think you're getting your money's worth... try formatting your hard drives, reinstalling Windows and Photoshop and I guarantee you you'll see some nice performance improvement already, and you'll save all that dough

                                            • 19. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                                              Noel Carboni Level 8

                                              MatejP84 wrote:

                                               

                                               

                                              About SSD size, at start I was thinking to take only 256GB version, but then I remembered I also need windows to be installed so I will take 512GB and divide it 200GB for windows and rest for OS X (around 300GB). I think 300GB should be sufficient for my work as I have now installed system and all programs I actually need and it takes only little more than 100GB. The rest should be used by data. I will also buy 2x 3TB thunderbolt external HDD's. One for storage and additional windows disk for programs and data and the other for backuping.

                                               

                                              Here's the thing:

                                               

                                              You really, REALLY want EVERYTHING to be accessed from the flash memory.  You want the advantage of that gigabyte/second I/O throughput for the work you're doing.  That means OS(s), applications, data, swap, scratch ALL on the flash.  This will literally take you into the next realm of computing.

                                               

                                              That doesn't mean you can't have external storage for lower access stuff.  You can easily stage it from/to other stroage for working completely from the flash.

                                               

                                              Don't skimp on the flash.

                                               

                                              I have a system with that kind of I/O capability (2 TB of it, actually), so I speak from experience.

                                               

                                              -Noel

                                              • 20. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                                                MatejP84 Level 1

                                                boo radley 2013 wrote:

                                                 

                                                your current system should be handling photoshop with few problems. If you're having problems with an image at 300dpi 4000x4000 with your hardware then you should troubleshoot first before dumping all kinds of coin into something else. That's only 13 inches x 13inches - not too much bigger than a normal sheet of paper... like I said I can go double that easily and have no problems... you hardware should also be able to take that on.

                                                 

                                                There's one method that will absolutely imrpove your performance and it's to formate your hard drive, re-install Windows and Photoshop. This way you're dealing with a brand new system again and Photoshop will work like new. This will cost you 1 or 2 hours at most to do. I've done it many many times and it always solves any lags my system encounters. It's like an oil change for your car - you feel the smoothness right away.

                                                 

                                                Any time you buy a new, more powerful system, you'll see an increase in performance that's for sure. But for that kind of $$$ you better be getting a system that's more powerful than anything NASA uses ... seriously though in my opinion your system is reasonable already, and I doubt you're going to see THAT much improvement that will make you think you're getting your money's worth... try formatting your hard drives, reinstalling Windows and Photoshop and I guarantee you you'll see some nice performance improvement already, and you'll save all that dough

                                                 

                                                I have tried everytihng of that already. It just doesn't punch. as you can see I have also tried installing "hackintosh". Nothing really helps...

                                                • 21. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                                                  MatejP84 Level 1

                                                  Noel Carboni wrote:

                                                   

                                                  MatejP84 wrote:

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  About SSD size, at start I was thinking to take only 256GB version, but then I remembered I also need windows to be installed so I will take 512GB and divide it 200GB for windows and rest for OS X (around 300GB). I think 300GB should be sufficient for my work as I have now installed system and all programs I actually need and it takes only little more than 100GB. The rest should be used by data. I will also buy 2x 3TB thunderbolt external HDD's. One for storage and additional windows disk for programs and data and the other for backuping.

                                                   

                                                  Here's the thing:

                                                   

                                                  You really, REALLY want EVERYTHING to be accessed from the flash memory.  You want the advantage of that gigabyte/second I/O throughput for the work you're doing.  That means OS(s), applications, data, swap, scratch ALL on the flash.  This will literally take you into the next realm of computing.

                                                   

                                                  That doesn't mean you can't have external storage for lower access stuff.  You can easily stage it from/to other stroage for working completely from the flash.

                                                   

                                                  Don't skimp on the flash.

                                                   

                                                  I have a system with that kind of I/O capability (2 TB of it, actually), so I speak from experience.

                                                   

                                                  -Noel

                                                   

                                                  If I have 300GB for working OS, that is about 100GB for OS and programs and around 200GB for data and scratch and so on. I usually work on one project at a time so that is around 1GB of data. I will have all projects stored on external HDD and when I'm going to work on selected project I will copy it to internal disk for faster work.

                                                  Actually I will rather give more money for more RAM than additional flash storage I probably won't even use.

                                                  • 22. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                                                    Noel Carboni Level 8

                                                    It's good that you're considering the balance of features/performance vs. economics. 

                                                     

                                                    But one last consideration:  Flash internal controllers are happiest when you keep a lot of free space so they can do their internal maintenance with plenty of breathing room.  It used to be best to keep as much as 50% free but now it seems to be more like 15% minimum.

                                                     

                                                    And Photoshop likes to have 200 GB or more of scratch space free.

                                                     

                                                    -Noel

                                                    • 23. Re: Upgrading or buying new computer
                                                      MatejP84 Level 1

                                                      Now I have discovered something interesting!

                                                       

                                                      I have tried Pixelmator program with same settings as in photoshop. I tried smudge tool and it seems as everything works much smoother than photoshop CS6. Then I have tried same thing in photoshop CC and as it seems CS6 is pretty slow.

                                                       

                                                      So to sum up: CS6 is almost useless for me to work with as everything lags. CC is a little better, but still some fast strokes and it slows down to crawl. But then Pixelmator just work instantly no matter whow fast I move my hand over my cintiq. It looks like pixelmator have every tool running under openCL which improves speed drastically.

                                                       

                                                      Only bad thing is that pixelmator doesn't have so much tools and stuff as photoshop so I will now start budging adobe to implement brush tools with openCL!