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    [Locked] Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?

    roboticaman

      Please, could we just continue to purchase our programs, Adobe?

      I cannot go along with the Creative Cloud only option.  Although Adobe is offering great "discounts" on the Creative Cloud versions, they will absolutely raise the price each year.  (That is clearly stated in their "Terms.")  Adobe's "special discount introductory offer" goes to the "current price" after the first year.  The $9.99 / month special offer becomes $19.99 or $29.99 after a year (or much more - it is completely at Adobe's discretion how high it goes).

       

      I do not want or need the Cloud, Storage, or Collaborative "features" that are the hallmark of the CC releases.  I am pleased to wait for a year for new features.  (Updates for bug fixes should not be delayed, however.)

       

      This is just like the cable and satellite TV companies, they surreptitiously raise the monthly price, until you are paying INSANE amounts.

       

      Like Woody Allen said (my paraphrasing, sorry):

      "If you put a frog into a pot of cold water and slowly bring it to a boil, he will just sit there and boil - because the discomfort change is so slow, he'll hardly notice it, until he is thoroughly cooked!"

      Adobe wants us to be that frog.

       

      And once we have all signed up and are comfortable in our plan, Adobe wants us to forget that we are (almost invisibly to us) paying each month - while the price goes up and up each year.

       

      I just read about a student who signed up last year for the "introductory" CC pricing for students, and now his price is going up to $29.99 per month, after just one year.  And where does it stop? Do you think it stops at $29.99?

      (Quick math solution: $29.99 X 12 = $359.88 PER YEAR, EVERY YEAR!  And this is not capped, so the upward monthly price is unlimited!)

       

      Although I love the products, I don't want to pay another gouging cable or satellite company!

       

      Thanks for listening.

      And Adobe, could you please, please continue to offer our "old-style" purchasing of new versions of Photoshop?

       

      I will not join the 'Cloud.'

      Please join Me.

        • 1. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
          Curt Y Level 7

          That ship has sailed.  We are just users here.

          • 2. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
            Level 5

            You can still buy a perpetually licensed copy of Photoshop CS6 even now, but then that's it.

             

            I'm staying at CS6 myself.

             

            As Curt Y says, you're preacjing to the choir here.

            • 3. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
              roboticaman Level 1

              I have CS6 - as I said, I have been a loyal purchaser of Photoshop since the first.

               

              But we need to let Adobe know that we DO NOT WANT THIS (and tell them that we will never be OK with this), and that we see through their ploy.

              They are packaging "extra" add-ons and giving us a "great deal."  One which we cannot pass up.

               

              We see through their camouflage, and we know this is being done just to allow "no limitations" in their future pricing - because price increases will almost appear invisible to us.  They will be slipped in to our monthly payments after the introductory "special" period.

               

              This is a horrible thing for Adobe to do to all of us.

               

              Even if you / we all join The Cloud - we should go kicking and screaming!

              This is the end of having any say in what Adobe sets in terms of pricing!!

               

              Up until now, we could look at their price, or their "upgrade special offer" and decide whether to continue or upgrade.

              If we don't upgrade (or skip one), we can use the program we purchased, and its older features.

               

              Now, we "buy in" and they manipulate the price we pay at will, invisibly.

               

              Even if we all go along with this, they should be aware that _we know_ what they are doing to us.

              Yes, we have the option to either "go along" or "drop out." 

              But this is not adequate.  WE are the ones who have made Adobe this rich and powerful.

               

              Sadly, we have helped to make Adobe so powerful that they now control us, and can demand whatever price (or terms) they want.

              Like many in that eschelon, they have completely lost touch with their customers / users.  All their users are not wealthy corporations nor even businesses with myriad workers.

               

              Adobe they should know that, in doing this, they have stated clearly to us all:

               

              Adobe is now a horrible company, a company, blind to what their customers want, need, or can afford. 

              They are showing that they do not care in the least.  "The New Way is better," they tell us.

               

              Once you join, you can only use their software for a limited time, once you learn that you can't afford (or justify) their prices. 

              When you finally can't afford the stratospheric price they set any longer, then throw away all of your work a few months later, when your app stops working - permanently.

               

              Thanks, Adobe!

              • 4. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                Level 5

                This has been rehashed over and over.  Adobe has made a final decision, and that's that.  They don't care what we think.

                 

                I was just now thinking that I´ve been using Photoshop intensively for some 11 years or so.

                 

                Even if the price of the subscription were to remain static—a totally unrealistic assumption—the next eleven years would cost me some $4,000 dollars. 

                 

                No way, and I'm not even incline to say thanks.

                 

                I'm staying with CS6 and I'm perfectly OK with it,

                 

                End of story.

                • 5. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                  the_wine_snob Level 9

                  Unfortunately, no one in power will hear you, or see your post.

                   

                  Some users see an advantage with the CC model, while others do not. I am in the "do not" camp, but then I have retired, after making a good living with Adobe software for two decades.

                   

                  As Station_Two states, Adobe has made up their minds, and it's CS6, or the CC model. No options.

                   

                  Many long-time users have voiced your opinion in many different venues, but those voices have not counted, and likely never will. An unnamed CFO has spoken.

                   

                  Sorry,

                   

                  Hunt

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                  • 6. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                    Noel Carboni Level 8

                    You're just a bit late.  That conversation has come and gone.

                     

                    The subscription model is a confirmed business success.

                     

                    -Noel

                    • 7. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                      D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      I just did an interesting calculation.

                       

                      For a full master collection over a 3-year cycle (one full + one upgrade), the monthly price would be (the Norwegian equivalent of) $149.

                       

                      Over a 6-year cycle (one full + three upgrades), the monthly price would drop to $98.

                       

                      A full cloud subscription here is $79 a month (incidentally I'm paying $45 first year as previous customer).

                       

                      I'm sure the ratio is similar for stand-alone Photoshop. So where exactly are we being ripped off?

                      • 8. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                        Noel Carboni Level 8

                        LIkewise, buying upgrades every 18 months or so (as has traditionally been necessary to ride the cutting edge) at $199 (for Photoshop Standard, not Extended) isn't terribly different than the $9.99 / month deal, which also includes what was Extended functionality along with Lightroom thrown in.

                         

                        And if you're crying about how sure you are that Adobe will raise prices, what makes you think they wouldn't have raised the upgrade prices in the future if they'd kept the old model?  The price of everything goes up.

                         

                        And lastly, if it makes you feel any better, there's literally no such thing as a version that will actually run in perpetuity, practically speaking.  What, you say?  Let's see you run Photoshop CS today, assuming you have a computer running an OS that will allow you to even try.  You have NO IDEA what the OS Microsoft or Apple is going to release next will or won't allow.  But if you have a subscription you can be pretty sure Adobe will work to support it.

                         

                        Life changes - nimble people adapt.  It's about business, not catering to someone's OCD.  Their software has value, your money has value.  Neither of you is being forced into a contract with the other.

                         

                        -Noel

                        • 9. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                          Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional (Moderator)

                          What people should bear in mind is that the $9.99 per month offer won't be available for ever — despite Adobe continually extending the cut-off date at the moment — and in a few years’ time, those people who stayed with CS6 are going to be in much the same position as people running CS now.  That won’t make CS6 any less powerful, but you are going to be disadvantaged compared to people using whatever Photoshop has evolved into by then.

                           

                          I’m currently working through a full day’s worth of shots from a festival I covered on Saturday working in Marlborough’s bright sunshine, and I am able to very quickly turn out results noticeably better than I could have managed with CS5.  That keeps me in work, and maybe I’ll be able to provide even better image quality in a few years’ time.

                           

                          Actually, I’m going to give myself a reality check, because people will probably be getting similar results from their mobile phones by then.

                          • 10. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                            Level 5

                            Noel Carboni wrote:

                             

                            LIkewise, buying upgrades every 18 months or so (as has traditionally been necessary to ride the cutting edge) at $199 (for Photoshop Standard, not Extended) isn't terribly different than the $9.99 / month deal…

                             

                            Horse puckey!  The $9.99 deal is for the first ten months only.

                             

                            Also, never did I upgrade after each new release.  From 1993 through 2013, I went from Photoshop 5, skipped 6 and upgraded to Photoshop 7. then CS2, CS3, CS4, then the upgrade to CS6 was free when I bought the CS5 upgrade at the end of its cycle.  So four paid upgrades in all.  The upgrades began more at around $100 to $140 then.

                             

                            Subscribing to the Cash Cow for Photoshop alone would set me back at the very least by about $4,000—as I typed above—and that assumes that the subscription price remains constant, which is absurdly unrealistic.

                             

                            I don't need no stinking cutting edge performance every month, not even every year.

                            • 11. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                              Noel Carboni Level 8

                              I can't imagine why, if you were going to upgrade through all those versions anyway, you'd wait until the end of the cycle.  Hate to say it, but as a "reluctant upgrader" you're not the kind of customer Adobe is looking for.

                               

                              Whether it will remain at roughly $9.99/month for a long time I can't say - no one can, though some of the Adobe Marketing folks have gone so far as to say that's their intent.  Whether they'll get overridden by greedy bosses with pointy hair...  We just can't say!

                               

                              But let's not forget that the subscription model has been around how long now?  2 years?  And here we have, today, a $9.99/month deal.  Has it jumped up in price for anyone yet?

                               

                              If anything, lower-cost options have surfaced SINCE the subscription model was founded.  There's still a balancing of value that's happening.

                               

                              Oh, and one more thing:  It's simply not valid to pull guesses about what's going to happen in the future out of your ***, then say "See?  SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING?" 

                               

                              -Noel

                              • 12. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                Level 5

                                twenty_one wrote:

                                 

                                …So where exactly are we being ripped off?

                                 

                                At the very end, twenty-one!  Big time!

                                 

                                At the end of the subscription you own zilch and the bloody software ceases to work.  From where I sit, that's an unconscionable rip-off.    Adobe offers us no exit strategy, such as freezing your Photoshop at the current stage of development when you exit the subscription and turning it into a perpetually licensed version for an additional, one-time fair fee.  Notice I say, an additional, fair fee, not a "nominal" one.

                                 

                                Look, my customer relationship with Adobe started almost 30 years ago due to my involvement in Typography and DTP.  Over time I bought a gazillion Adobe fonts, InDesign, Illustrator, Acrobat Professional and finally Photoshop standard (the latter one when I dismantled my darkroom in 2003).  The truth is that I'm perfectly fine with my older versions of  Adobe fonts (many of the PS_Type1, InDesign (2), Illustrator (CS2) and Acrobat Professional 8.  I have no need to upgrade any of those applications.  A subscription would be an idiotic choice for me.

                                 

                                I would be absolutely fine with Photoshop CS1 if it weren't by the built-in obsolescence enjoyed by Adobe by virtue of new camera models and the still-work-in-progress nature of ACR at this time.  Only the improvements made to ACR motivated me to upgrade all the way through CS6.

                                 

                                So, again, I would be getting ripped off at the end of the bloody subscription!  That's where! 

                                • 13. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                  D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                  station_two wrote:

                                   

                                  I don't need no stinking cutting edge performance every month, not even every year.

                                   

                                  Well, I do. Photoshop for ACR, but even more so InDesign and Illustrator, which aren't back-version compatible (and never have been). I get files from others I have to work with. Not upgrading hasn't been an option for a long time. Maybe not the first week, but eventually.

                                   

                                  And just to repeat it: sooner or later any "perpetual" version would stop working because of OS/hardware developments.

                                  • 14. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                    Noel Carboni Level 8

                                    Uh oh, he's turning red.

                                     

                                    Look, no one's twisting anyone's arm.  If the value proposition is right, enter into the business deal.  If not, don't!  Simple as that.

                                     

                                    • There are those who will keep paying for newer and better computers and newer and better software, because they don't want to be left behind by the state of the art.

                                     

                                    • And there are those who will want to keep an older computer and keep using older software.  They WILL be left behind by the state of the art.

                                     

                                    The decision about whether to buy into Adobe's subscription plan may well be different for these different people.  There's nothing wrong with that!

                                     

                                    -Noel

                                    • 15. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                      Level 5

                                      Noel Carboni wrote:

                                       

                                      …if you were going to upgrade through all those versions anyway, you'd wait until the end of the cycle.  Hate to say it, but as a "reluctant upgrader" you're not the kind of customer Adobe is looking for…

                                       

                                      Nor is Adobe the kind of supplier I'm looking for.  That's why I am no longer considered a customer by Adobe itself, because I no loger buy Adobe products. 

                                       

                                      What I cannort understand is how you, Noel, as an entrepreneur, have not shown the contract Adobe requires you to accept in order to let you buy a subscription to a competent contract lawyer.  It's the most one-sided, predatory, leonine contract I have ever seen in my entire, long life.

                                       

                                      EDIT:  As a matter of fact, even if I were inclined to subscribe, the terms of that contract would absolutely prevent me from agreeing to it.

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                      .

                                       

                                      Message was edited by: station_two

                                      • 16. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                        Level 5

                                        Noel Carboni wrote:

                                         

                                        Uh oh, he's turning red…

                                         

                                         

                                        Cazzo, Noel!  Where do you get that from?  I would have thought such puerile taunting would be beneath you.

                                        • 17. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                          Level 5

                                          Re your comments on InDesign and Illustrator:

                                           

                                          Twenty-one, I don't share files of any kind with anybody.  When I share the fruits of my work, I give out PDFs or —more often— prints and printed documents..

                                          • 18. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                            Noel Carboni Level 8

                                            station_two wrote:

                                             

                                            I would be absolutely fine with Photoshop CS1 if it weren't by the built-in obsolescence enjoyed by Adobe by virtue of new camera models and the still-work-in-progress nature of ACR at this time.  Only the improvements made to ACR motivated me to upgrade all the way through CS6.

                                             

                                            I did want to respond to this point, in particular.

                                             

                                            Try to think outside your box for a moment and imagine that software engineers might actually want to be paid for their work. 

                                             

                                            They added value, and  you traded something of value for it.  Where is the problem?

                                             

                                            Did you pay someone to build your car?  Will it last forever or will you have to buy another one?

                                             

                                            -Noel

                                            • 19. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                              Level 5

                                              Noel Carboni wrote:

                                               

                                              …And there are those who will want to keep an older computer and keep using older software.  They WILL be left behind by the state of the art…

                                               

                                               

                                              No, we'll move to to the competition, as I have already done with Photoline—as a first, baby step.

                                              • 20. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                Noel Carboni Level 8

                                                station_two wrote:

                                                 


                                                Cazzo, Noel!  Where do you get that from?  I would have thought such puerile taunting would be beneath you.

                                                 

                                                Um, the big red font.  I didn't mean to imply anything more; sorry.

                                                 

                                                -Noel

                                                • 21. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                  Level 5

                                                  You're grasping at straws now, Noel.

                                                   

                                                  Of course the designers and makers of my car have been paid for their work.  I didn't steal it.

                                                   

                                                  I didn't steal CS6 either.

                                                   

                                                  If I wanted a new car, I'd buy a new one, not lease one.  But my vehicle is now ten years old, it has barely 39,000 miles on it, and it works like a dream.  When the times come, I'll buy another one, and it could well be a used one, not necessarily a new one.

                                                   

                                                  Noel, all analogies are bad.  Quit wasting time with this futile exercise.

                                                  • 22. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                    Noel Carboni Level 8

                                                    station_two wrote:

                                                    EDIT:  As a matter of fact, even if I were inclined to subscribe, the terms of that contract would absolutely prevent me from agreeing to it.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    Heh, don't take it too seriously.  At the end of the day it's really only a license to use software and the expenditure of a few bucks.  Near as I can tell it doesn't grant Adobe rights to my own work.

                                                     

                                                    -Noel

                                                    • 23. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                      Level 5

                                                      Oh, sorry about overlooking the connection between your remark and my maroon font.  (That's what Microsoft calls it "maroon" in MS Word for Mac.  I've adpted it.)

                                                      • 24. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                        Noel Carboni Level 8

                                                        station_two wrote:

                                                         

                                                        Oh, sorry about overlooking the connection between your remark and my maroon font.  (That's what Microsoft calls it "maroon" in MS Word for Mac.  I've adpted it.)

                                                         

                                                        A rose (color) by any other name... 

                                                         

                                                        RedAsRose.png

                                                         

                                                        -Noel

                                                        • 25. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                          Level 5

                                                          …"expenditure of a few bucks", huh?   Wait until you or a loved one are old, disabled and with no ability to earn supplemental income beyond a meager pension, Social Security and your life savings. 

                                                           

                                                          You'll understand then why even the expenditure of a single buck or penny matters.

                                                          • 26. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                            Noel Carboni Level 8

                                                            No matter how old we get, we should never forget the valuable lesson in this:

                                                             

                                                            http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/what-me-worry-2.jpg

                                                             

                                                            -Noel

                                                            • 27. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                              Level 5

                                                              Maybe we can both live with this one:

                                                               

                                                              Screen Shot 2014-03-05 at 11.53.58 AM.png

                                                              • 29. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                                roboticaman Level 1

                                                                To several answerers to my original post:

                                                                 

                                                                I'm not crying about potential increases.  I'm demanding that Adobe end this affront to the long-time users that made Adobe (and Photoshop) an international success and a standard.  Yes, we have benefitted from an excellent, forward-pushing application.  But we did not get it for free, and every upgrade was at a cost.  Now, to stay "current," we have to accept a new "business model," that will make Adobe richer per user than previously imagined.  I purchased the Photoshop that was purchased outright, for me to use until my computer OS could no longer do so.  To change this method of using a program that we have used for so long is unacceptable.  I don't want to change - I should not have to change.  It is Adobe that established this method of selling the program to me, and although they can change whenever they want, I don't have to accept it.

                                                                 

                                                                It is not enough that "I have the ability to go elsewhere for my imaging / retouching, etc. program.  Adobe owes us in a big way.  We do NOT have to accept this change, when they are taking a program that we all do need and use, and changing our ability to afford it or keep current with features, or when our operating system changes.  I do understand that Adobe wants to make money (I believe that they have, by the way).  But they are changing an understanding, or implicit agreement (whether explicit or "implied" - it does not matter) that we all had with them.  That understanding was that we would be supported in learning, using, and even forming businesses around their product - and we could be assured that they would continue to supply the product in a way that we could dependably and similarly continue to use it.  This is a MAJOR change from the usability that we have come to use, expect, and be comfortable with - and this is NOT acceptable!

                                                                 

                                                                As long as Adobe is not satisfied with their subscriber base numbers, they will continue the low initial discount price.  As soon as their numbers approach what they want, the initial discount will end. 

                                                                 

                                                                Will prices go up?

                                                                Someone asked: "How do I know the prices will go up?"

                                                                My initial answer was, "Have you subscribed to any satellite or cable services?"

                                                                 

                                                                But here's an example clipped from these very forums:

                                                                Creative Cloud billing issues...

                                                                Dec 6, 2013 9:04 AM

                                                                My year subscription to Adobe Cloud ends in a month and in an email I received it noted that my monthly bill will be going up from 29.99 to 49.99, I have tried to contact Adobe by online messenger and by the phone but no response yet. I am a student at Graduate School and had been paying the student price but now with my renewal it wants me to pay more....something is not right.

                                                                 

                                                                If any help could be given, it would be greatly appreciated.

                                                                 

                                                                _______________

                                                                 

                                                                Imagine your $9.99 Introductory Offer going up to $29.99 after one year.

                                                                 

                                                                Because it WILL.

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                So indeed, we may have no power to change this.  We know that they are going to TRY to do this anyway.

                                                                 

                                                                But . . . We can still let them know just how strongly we DO NOT WANT THE CC only.

                                                                 

                                                                Please: Everyone write Adobe! Tell them this is wrong!  Tell them NO!

                                                                They may actually be listening after all.

                                                                 

                                                                Or "go silently into that good night," knowing you just kept quiet and accepted what is best for them, without letting them know how you feel about it!

                                                                • 30. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                                  D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                  If you really wanted to get into a moral issue, I'd be more concerned with CEO paychecks than customer pricing. That's rapidly becoming a big issue here in Norway, where people are laid off but CEO paychecks skyrocket; sometimes astonishingly adding up to the same total amount.

                                                                   

                                                                  Anyway, I should think one major consideration trumps all of this: piracy. With the lowered threshold of the subscription model, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the first really effective blow to the hackers. As we all know, activation had absolutely zero effect (and only caused grief for legitimate users).

                                                                  • 31. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                                    roboticaman Level 1

                                                                    I'm with you 110% on the exhorbitant CEO pay.  It is shameful and unjustifiable.

                                                                     

                                                                    I see your point on the piracy issue.  If they would just guarranty that the price will not go up (to insane levels) the way that satellite and cable bills have, I would completely be behind the move.

                                                                     

                                                                    I just cannot abide joining the CC with the "teaser" rate of $9.99 / month, knowing that it will double or triple in a year (because it absolutely will).

                                                                    I have no use whatsoever for any of the "Cloud" features.

                                                                    • 32. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                                      yatessim

                                                                      we must stand up to this now . its a slippery slope if we don't. I will now look else where for software I can buy even if its not as good. we are the customers and we have spoken.

                                                                      • 33. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                                        jaxjoseph158

                                                                        As an undergraduate student about to complete his last semester, I have only this to say:

                                                                         

                                                                        Before the change in business model, it was a foregone conclusion in my mind that I would finally buy Photoshop once I got out into the real world. In fact, I was even about to cave and buy it today until I realized just how much things have changed.

                                                                         

                                                                        There is security in being able to say that you have paid for something and now own it contractually. I do not want the hassle of having to monitor and calculate the effect of monthly payments. I do not even believe this will be a better deal in the long run.

                                                                         

                                                                        If this is how it has to be, then I agree with some of the people who posted here. I will seriously look into Photoshop's competitors before I even think about purchasing from Adobe. At best, they are going to get a free trial or two out of me so that I have the experience I need to make that kind of comparison.

                                                                         

                                                                        Also, I think Creative Cloud is a little tacky overall. But I digress.

                                                                        • 34. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                                          renishasandrin

                                                                          I have an interest in digital photography and checked out Adobe Photoshop today.  I wanted to know how much it was going to be as a program as I know editing software isn't cheap.  I noticed it never said anywhere how much it was on the official Adobe webpage and when I went to purchase it I kept getting this Creative Cloud subscription page - which again doesn't answer my question.  I would have really liked to have just bypassed that page altogether and just found out the information I wanted. As a potential new user of the program - I don't know if I will even want the subscription plan even if I love the software - I prefer to buy things outright with no further financial strings attached.   In the end, I just figured "forget it" then went to the Future Shop homepage and did a search for Adobe Photoshop and found the price immediately. 

                                                                           

                                                                          I am sure that the Creative Cloud subscription plan is awesome.  But as a new user just learning the software I would like to know about that first rather than all these cool add-ons that will cost me so much a month.  Just let me buy the software without all those frills. Then if I choose to want them later I can subscribe and stay updated.

                                                                           

                                                                          That seems to me an ideal solution - put in a "No thanks, proceed to check-out" option.

                                                                          • 35. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                                            Herbert2001 Level 4

                                                                            renishasandrin wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            I am sure that the Creative Cloud subscription plan is awesome.  But as a new user just learning the software I would like to know about that first rather than all these cool add-ons that will cost me so much a month.  Just let me buy the software without all those frills. Then if I choose to want them later I can subscribe and stay updated.

                                                                             

                                                                            That seems to me an ideal solution - put in a "No thanks, proceed to check-out" option.

                                                                            It's not such an awesome plan for everyone. Many (most?) are against a "rent forever", and given the choice, would opt for out-right purchase of the applications. But that is no longer an option (CS6 being a red herring here).

                                                                            renishasandrin wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            I have an interest in digital photography and checked out Adobe Photoshop today.  I wanted to know how much it was going to be as a program as I know editing software isn't cheap. 

                                                                             

                                                                            That seems to me an ideal solution - put in a "No thanks, proceed to check-out" option.

                                                                            Professional digital photography editing software can actually be very, very affordable. There are alternatives that do an arguably equal or even better job than Adobe's software for digital photo editing. There exist many open source (free) options as well, and a combination of these with affordable commercial alternatives will give you the same possibilities.

                                                                             

                                                                            Spend some time researching the alternatives - it may save you hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars. And you will actually own the software, rather than rent it.

                                                                            • 36. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                                              JasAnge

                                                                              I am only a personal user. I don't use photoshop professionally, though I know a number of people who do, I originally purchased Photoshop outright. Since then, I have changed platforms, PC to Mac, my PC crapped itself and is beyond redemption, and asked Adobe about changing over to the new system. I was told that, as my purchase was more than 12 months old, I would have to purchase photoshop outright again for my new mac. Ok, I kind of get that, but I thought that I might get a discount as an existing customer, nope.

                                                                              Now, when I go to look at buying it outright again, I need to pay for it month by month. Even if I start at $10 a month (photoshop only), I'm locked into a contract for a year, then if I want to continue using it, I need to pay for it, year after year. I'm sorry, I don't need it enough to warrant paying for it that much.

                                                                              So, here I am, I own photoshop as a program, I apparently made the mistake of changing computer systems and now I can either buy a crap cheap PC to run the CS that I still 'own', or, pay month by month for a program that I will only use rarely, or say goodbye to Adobe.

                                                                               

                                                                              Looks, like bye bye Adobe. A shame really, I love using the program too.

                                                                              • 37. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                                                Herbert2001 Level 4

                                                                                Well, depending on the software company it will provide a multi-platform license or not. Adobe does when you become their Digital Serf. But, as you found out, not with a CS6 perpetual license.

                                                                                 

                                                                                I am part of the group of users who dislike the Digital Serfdom as you do, and I prefer to own a license that can be used for as long as I wish. Since Adobe doesn't offer perpetual licenses anymore (I already own CS6), I decided to switch to alternatives. I chose Photoline to replace Photoshop, and I am very happy with my decision. I use krita for digital painting (which does a better job than Photoshop).

                                                                                 

                                                                                You may like Photoline (PhotoLine: Download) - in terms of image editing it is about on par with Photoshop, with some omissions, and some improvements. A full license costs about three months of Photoshop (don't forget, you pay $10 per month for the first year, after that it increases to double that amount!), and the license includes both Mac & Windows. And you own the license forever. No monthly upkeeps. The trial is free.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Pixelmator is another good alternative for Macs. Not nearly as powerful, though.

                                                                                http://www.pixelmator.com/

                                                                                 

                                                                                Also keep an eye out on Affinity Designer, and their Photoshop alternative Affinity Photo (of which the beta version, by the way, can be downloaded here: Affinity Photo - Professional image editing software for Mac

                                                                                 

                                                                                Both are inexpensive, and are gaining a lot of popular traction currently, and perceived as the "Adobe liberation front" for users not wanting to become Digital Serfs.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Or go with Photoshop Elements (which again cannot really compete with the likes of Photoline or Photoshop, though).

                                                                                • 38. Re: Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?
                                                                                  Warunicorn Adobe Community Professional

                                                                                  People need to get over this idea that they own the software. Whether it's subscription or "perpetual" (as in, "until it doesn't work anymore due to OS upgrades"), you are paying for a license to use the software and that's it. This has been the standard license model for every vendor since time immemorial.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  It doesn't need to be said that paying $120 USD per year for full-on Photoshop (that's the entire kit and kaboodle, 3D included that used to be in the Extended version) is an outright steal (at least for photographers and creatives; I can't speak for those that need, say, Illustrator). We can thank Thomas Knoll for all that. He actually pulled strings at Adobe to get the sub cost lowered for Photoshop because he thought it was a bit much (and that's mostly true for those of us who are enthusiasts). So Adobe cut a deal where they'd have a special limited-time offer. It became permanent when it was clear that it made them a ton of money.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  For the price you pay per year, you'd have to pay for at least eight years just to equal what you would pay outright for CS6 Extended. By then, Photoshop CC would already be light years ahead of it. (Not just in terms of new features; also performance.)

                                                                                   

                                                                                  As an aside, other vendors are getting into the subscription model. Autodesk is doing it with their SketchBook Pro app. They still have a perpetual license, but the writing's on the wall there; you don't get the "new features" support that the sub license has other than technical support. (It sounds a lot like how CS6 is working right now. It gets no new features that CC gets but it's still being supported in the technical field.) Microsoft is doing the same thing for Office.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I could probably wax poetic about the other image editors but I don't want to make this post too long. (e.g., Somebody tell Corel they can try to be Adobe but they're not Adobe where Photoshop's concerned. Learn to make a UI that doesn't make me want to punch a baby in the face.) 

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