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    Two spaces after a period

    foxetown Community Member
      Where would I modifiy my CSS to allow for the appearance of two literal spaces after each period in a paragraph. If you are typing body text, Dreamweaver appears to assume you only meant one space between sentences.
        • 1. Re: Two spaces after a period
          Newsgroup_User Community Member
          HTML as a rule ignores multiple spaces and treats them as single spaces,
          and there's no practical way for CSS to handle this. What you'll need
          to do is as non-breaking spaces -   for each space you want. You
          can do this in DW with Ctrl-Shift-Space.

          But, are you sure you really want to do this? Even though people did
          this back in the days of typewriters, it's not really a common sight
          these days, and may lead to text wrapping problems. Consider it carefully.

          - Josh

          foxetown wrote:
          > Where would I modifiy my CSS to allow for the appearance of two literal spaces
          > after each period in a paragraph. If you are typing body text, Dreamweaver
          > appears to assume you only meant one space between sentences.
          >
          • 2. Re: Two spaces after a period
            foxetown Community Member
            So the word wrapping algorithms in browsers will split a set of two consecutive &nbsps over two lines? I just think paragraphs are easier to read with an extra space between sentences, but if it's going to mess up the left margin, I understand why it's being done.
            • 3. Re: Two spaces after a period
              stevenkay Community Member
              The first thing professionals do, after rolling their eyes, when receiving double-spaced text from somebody (in a print environment) is to eliminate them. I'm no web guru, but I'd assume extra spacing on the web would be just as frowned upon by the pros.
              • 4. Re: Two spaces after a period
                foxetown Community Member
                No offense, but those are probably the same "pros" who can't copy-edit without a spell-checker. If html browsers can't wrap text because of the extra space, I understand why it is left out, but for years the extra space was actually taught in typing and composition classes, and I believe I know why: it's more readable.
                • 5. Re: Two spaces after a period
                  Newsgroup_User Community Member
                  You are correct. Double-spacing after a sentence dates back to typewriter
                  days when all fonts were mono-spaced. The double-spacing was needed to
                  clearly separate sentences. Now with computer-generated
                  proportionally-spaced fonts the double-spacing in not just unnecessary it
                  just plain looks bad and wastes space.

                  --

                  Walt


                  "stevenkay" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                  > The first thing professionals do, after rolling their eyes, when receiving
                  > double-spaced text from somebody (in a print environment) is to eliminate
                  > them.
                  > I'm no web guru, but I'd assume extra spacing on the web would be just as
                  > frowned upon by the pros.
                  >


                  • 6. Re: Two spaces after a period
                    Newsgroup_User Community Member
                    Old habits die hard. I was taught to type the same way and still do in
                    emails and letters. But double spaces are passé in print and web design.

                    --Nancy

                    "foxetown" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                    > Where would I modifiy my CSS to allow for the appearance of two literal
                    spaces
                    > after each period in a paragraph. If you are typing body text,
                    Dreamweaver
                    > appears to assume you only meant one space between sentences.
                    >


                    • 7. Re: Two spaces after a period
                      foxetown Community Member
                      Thanks for the reply, Walter. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the double-space "looks bad" evaluation. The opposite evaluation was what, of course, prompted my query here. I guess HTML inspires a bit of dogmatism with its endless browser/client combination problems. The site I run is purposefully nostalgic (living history oriented) and I spend a lot of my time looking at 18th and 19th century typesetting. I can't help thinking that the double space used then looks better than the claustrophobic version we've adopted now, even with proportional fonts.

                      ...I gotta be me, I gotta be me...
                      • 8. Re: Two spaces after a period
                        bregent CommunityMVP
                        >You are correct. Double-spacing after a sentence dates back to typewriter
                        >days when all fonts were mono-spaced.

                        OK, this is getting off topic now, but is there anyway in MS Word to locate double spaces between sentences? I just finished a class and got dinged a few points on a paper that had a few sentences with 2 spaces between them. Is there anything in the spelling/grammer tools?
                        • 9. Re: Two spaces after a period
                          foxetown Community Member
                          You can do a search for a ". " combination. (I'm assuming html actually allowed me to type in the double space there, what with the gross stylistic violation it represents--hee, hee.)

                          College writing instructors aren't putting out any better composition, but they sure are policing those double spaces!
                          • 10. Re: Two spaces after a period
                            Newsgroup_User Community Member

                            "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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                            > Old habits die hard. I was taught to type the same way and still do in
                            > emails and letters.

                            Me too! and it is a hard habit to break :-)


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                            • 11. Re: Two spaces after a period
                              Newsgroup_User Community Member
                              On 27 May 2007 in macromedia.dreamweaver, bregent wrote:

                              > OK, this is getting off topic now, but is there anyway in MS Word to
                              > locate double spaces between sentences? I just finished a class and
                              > got dinged a few points on a paper that had a few sentences with 2
                              > spaces between them. Is there anything in the spelling/grammer
                              > tools?

                              There should be a setting in auto-correct to change two spaces after a
                              sentence to one. (I'm not sure; I know that there is in my word
                              processor of choice, Word Perfect.) If there's not, as somebody else
                              suggested, search for . or ? or ! followed by two spaces.

                              [Note the paragraph above has two spaces between every sentence. So does
                              this one. That old habit is awful hard to break. --Ed]

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                              • 12. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                Newsgroup_User Community Member
                                It's not just passe, it's not possible in HTML without resorting to a
                                non-breaking space.

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                                "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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                                > Old habits die hard. I was taught to type the same way and still do in
                                > emails and letters. But double spaces are passé in print and web design.
                                >
                                > --Nancy
                                >
                                > "foxetown" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                > news:f3ccio$md3$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                >> Where would I modifiy my CSS to allow for the appearance of two literal
                                > spaces
                                >> after each period in a paragraph. If you are typing body text,
                                > Dreamweaver
                                >> appears to assume you only meant one space between sentences.
                                >>
                                >
                                >

                                • 13. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                  bregent CommunityMVP
                                  >There should be a setting in auto-correct to change two spaces after a
                                  >sentence to one. (I'm not sure; I know that there is in my word
                                  >processor of choice, Word Perfect.)

                                  Ah, found it:
                                  Tools->Options-Spelling and Grammar->Settings. There's an option for space required between sentences that can be set to 1, 2 or Dont Check.

                                  Thanks,
                                  • 14. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                    stevenkay Community Member
                                    In QuarkXPress I've always just did a Find/Change (even though you can't see the spaces you type in the field, the software sees them) then just choose to "Find and Change All." I wonder if Quark has a similar option in Spell Check too... I never bothered to check... it wouldn't be any faster anyway, I guess.

                                    And not that it has anything to do with Dreamweaver... LOL!
                                    • 15. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                      Newsgroup_User Community Member
                                      "Walt F. Schaefer" <walt@waltswebworx.com> wrote:

                                      > Now with computer-generated proportionally-spaced fonts the double-spacing in not just unnecessary it just plain looks bad

                                      Beauty is in the eye of the holder, and to my eye double space sentence breaks
                                      make printed matter just that little bit easier to read. Granted, with
                                      proportional font the difference is very small, but to my eye it does help, and
                                      the small difference means that if you don't approve there is even less reason
                                      for you to get uptight about it.

                                      > and wastes space.

                                      Crap! I printed a paragraph from a paper of mine, first with double spaces, and
                                      then with single spaces. It made no difference to the word wrapping, or the
                                      overall size of the document. The only difference was that the lines with
                                      sentence breaks in them were one millimetre (in approximately 160!) longer. On
                                      rare occasions the extra space might be just enough to reshuffle the word
                                      wrapping and make the document one line longer, but I think this would be the
                                      exception rather than the rule. And even this would only be significant if it
                                      caused the document to wrap on to another page.

                                      So you are getting your knickers in a knot over something which is a matter of
                                      personal taste, and which has a barely visible effect on the finished product.


                                      Clancy
                                      • 16. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                        foxetown Community Member
                                        I quite agree, Clancy. I've been looking at some really old typesetting (1840s or so) and those old boys seem to have erred on the side of as much as three or four spaces between period and the next capital letter. With all the "eye-rolling" and passe accusations going on around here, I find the Adobe "creative license" campaign sounding a little hollow, and the "space" argument has never made sense either. This is the "non-text" generation that fills up entire sites with color gradients and rolling visuals. Let me put two spaces after each period!!
                                        • 17. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                          stevenkay Community Member
                                          > "… if you don't approve there is even less reason for you to get uptight about it."

                                          > "So you are getting your knickers in a knot over something which is a matter of
                                          personal taste…"

                                          I didn't read any posts here that suggested anybody was uptight; just some unwelcomed opinions and facts.

                                          If one wants to use double spaces, go for it. If one wants to use CMYK 300 DPI images on the web, or hit the period key three times for an ellipsis, or use multiple spaces in place of tabs, or drive on the wrong side of the road, then go for it. Nobody's gonna lose any sleep.
                                          • 18. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                            foxetown Community Member
                                            It was the "eye rolling" and "passe" comments that got my dander up a bit. If a contemporary graphic designer isn't familiar with the look and feel of traditional typesetting, It's more productive to say, "heah, if you're going for that look, here's how you do it," as opposed to comparing it to something purposely counterproductive like 300 dpi web graphics or driving on the wrong side of the road.
                                            • 19. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                              stevenkay Community Member
                                              Perhaps you wouldn't feel that way if you were the person who's been required to delete thousands of those spaces over these past 17 years. (insert eye-roll here).
                                              • 20. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                foxetown Community Member
                                                Well, like most of HTML and software generally, it's full of conventions that don't make any sense. The MIcrosoft menus that suddenly decide you didn't really need all of the menu options on the dropdown are a pet peeve of mine. When software does the thinking for you, we're in trouble. I still maintain that traditional typesetting is a lot easier to read, and that browsers shouldn't make assumptions for human beings. (Isn't this a violation of the Asimovian rule; watch out people--it's beginning!)

                                                ...putting on an extra layer of tinfoil...
                                                • 21. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                  Newsgroup_User Community Member
                                                  The MIcrosoft menus that suddenly decide you didn't
                                                  > really need all of the menu options on the dropdown are a pet peeve of
                                                  > mine.

                                                  Agreed. Mine too.

                                                  I've always considered that a poor (albeit well-intentioned) move by
                                                  Microsoft. It just confuses people.

                                                  I always disable it via Tools > Customize > Options > "Always show full
                                                  menus"

                                                  --
                                                  Regards

                                                  John Waller


                                                  • 22. Two spaces after a period
                                                    DC_Eric Community Member
                                                    Since this is getting so large I will just add I was taught to do double space back in typewriter days, but have never done so in the days of the web. I ways delete double spaces and replace with single. Too bad there is no poll tool in this forum so we could see how many people use double space vs single space. I already know the answer to this. As for opinions as what looks good together, one of my old boss thought that brown went together with everything and made me use brown in so many web designs. Needless to say, not 1 of those sites are on my resume so if you think 2 spaces look better than 1 its just your opinion. What matter's is your client's or boss's opinion and I would suggest doing single space and if they say something then go through all the extra work of adding a 2nd space.
                                                    • 23. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                      foxetown Community Member
                                                      There are so many good causes in the world that I may have to forego my passionate investment in "two spaces after a period," but I will say that it seems to be more than just a subjective argument about what looks better to our eyes. Since this little spat over "rolled eyes" and "passe" standards began here, I've been reviewing my fairly sizeable collection of books published in the 19th century. The typesetting is elegant. The paper is beautiful.

                                                      And two or more spaces follow every period.

                                                      I happily stand with the ancients on this one.
                                                      • 24. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                        VVebbie Community Member
                                                        It's easy to break yourself of this habit: just enable the disable multiple consecutive spaces option in your word processor.

                                                        When I was younger my sister used to do it all the time, so I turned it on without saying anything and the problem dissapeared overnight!

                                                        Back to topic: a browser will not wrap a line between "  " as this is by definition a non-breaking space. The only way I can think of to do it is with the actual ascii code for the space character, "&#32;&#32;".

                                                        Needless to say this is ugly - my advised solution to your problem is to ignore it and call it a feature.
                                                        • 25. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                          BruceCSI2 Community Member
                                                          Without getting into what is proper as far as 1 or 2 spaces after a period, I think the root issue here is what is right for the site the OP is working on. The site is about typesetting in past times, back when there were 2 or more spaces after a period. Since the site is supposed to reflect the conventions used then, inserting 2 spaces is proper. Insert 2 nonbreaking spaces. If it were a site about web design, 1 space would be proper.
                                                          • 26. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                            stevenkay Community Member
                                                            Well, I know that I never said anything about which "looked" better. All I'm implying is that double-spaces (anywhere on a document) is not only frowned upon, but an "unacceptable" typesetting practice throughout the publishing industry. That's not my "opinion;" just a reality, regardless of which looks better.

                                                            If I think green looks better than brown as a root beer label, and insist on using it, it will only reflect badly on myself as a designer.
                                                            • 27. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                              BruceCSI2 Community Member
                                                              But you're talking about *current* standards in typesetting, which have little to do with the site the OP is working on. He wants the site to reflect the typesetting standards of *that time*. Thus, 2 spaces is proper.
                                                              What you're suggesting is akin to telling someone to put a CD player in a 1957 Chevy. It may be something that people are putting in their cars now, but is not reflective of the time.
                                                              • 28. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                                stevenkay Community Member
                                                                I don't recall reading anywhere in this thread that the OP was attempting to "reflect" old typography in his/her body text. It appeared to me that he/she was simply claiming to have knowledge of it, and that the site was a "historical type" web site. The OP has only insisted on what spacing "looked" better to him/her, but not necessarily that he/she was trying to "recreate" that old typography style in the actual body text. It seems to me several other posters didn't conclude that either.

                                                                If that's the case, I'd agree that's entirely different. But again, that was never made clear. If someone here was designing a website about crayons, I wouldn't automatically assume they wanted all of their text to look like it was written in crayon.

                                                                >"What you're suggesting is akin to telling someone to put a CD player in a 1957 Chevy. "

                                                                I never suggested the OP do anything; only the wide reaction double-spacing receives by most professionals. One can choose to do as one wishes with that information. Just as I do when my questions here are answered.
                                                                • 29. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                                  foxetown Community Member
                                                                  stevenkay,

                                                                  Here's my comment, from an earlier post: "...The site I run is purposefully nostalgic (living history oriented) and I spend a lot of my time looking at 18th and 19th century typesetting. I can't help thinking that the double space used then looks better than the claustrophobic version we've adopted now, even with proportional fonts..."

                                                                  The preponderance of "eye rolling" professionals who regard the historic standard as "passe" is useful information. In my case, it's an indication of how hard you have to push mere technicians to achieve a standard this is outside the norm. I have to deal with a lot of construction supervisors who don't know what cornice moulding is either, but they just admit their ignorance.

                                                                  When you think about it--with respect to typography and "saving space"--why have paragraphs at all? Why put margins on a web page? Why set off text with white space? The notion that people have to break a "bad" habit--setting off sentences with a space or two--is a weird homage to herd mentality.

                                                                  • 30. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                                    Newsgroup_User Community Member
                                                                    On Tue, 29 May 2007 16:53:37 +0000 (UTC), "foxetown"
                                                                    <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:

                                                                    >I still maintain
                                                                    >that traditional typesetting is a lot easier to read, and that browsers
                                                                    >shouldn't make assumptions for human beings.

                                                                    There is a problem with your assertion, however. You seem to be saying
                                                                    that browsers should not collapse white space. If that were the case,
                                                                    the text would need to be displayed the same way in the browser as it
                                                                    appears in the source code. You could never indent something without it
                                                                    also being indented in the browser display.

                                                                    That said, that's the way HTML is supposed to work and, if you intend to
                                                                    produce web pages, you'll just need to adjust to it.

                                                                    Gary
                                                                    • 31. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                                      Newsgroup_User Community Member
                                                                      > And two or more spaces follow every period

                                                                      And some people decorate their homes with black velvet paintings, proving
                                                                      once again there is no accounting for taste.
                                                                      --

                                                                      Walt


                                                                      "foxetown" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                                                      > There are so many good causes in the world that I may have to forego my
                                                                      > passionate investment in "two spaces after a period," but I will say that
                                                                      > it
                                                                      > seems to be more than just a subjective argument about what looks better
                                                                      > to our
                                                                      > eyes. Since this little spat over "rolled eyes" and "passe" standards
                                                                      > began
                                                                      > here, I've been reviewing my fairly sizeable collection of books published
                                                                      > in
                                                                      > the 19th century. The typesetting is elegant. The paper is
                                                                      > beautiful.
                                                                      >
                                                                      > And two or more spaces follow every period.
                                                                      >
                                                                      > I happily stand with the ancients on this one.
                                                                      >


                                                                      • 32. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                                        Newsgroup_User Community Member
                                                                        > how hard you have to push mere technicians

                                                                        >The notion that people have to break a "bad"
                                                                        > habit--setting off sentences with a space or two--is a weird homage to
                                                                        > herd
                                                                        > mentality.

                                                                        So says you, and you say it like a true elitist.

                                                                        How can we ever show our gratitude for your taking time to enlighten us.

                                                                        HTML works the way it works. If you don't like it maybe you should consider
                                                                        a different medium to express your spectacularly superior taste. All your
                                                                        whining and wringing of hands is getting boring.

                                                                        Goodbye.

                                                                        --

                                                                        Walt


                                                                        "foxetown" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                                                        news:f3ij1k$a4v$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                        > stevenkay,
                                                                        >
                                                                        > Here's my comment, from an earlier post: "...The site I run is
                                                                        > purposefully
                                                                        > nostalgic (living history oriented) and I spend a lot of my time looking
                                                                        > at
                                                                        > 18th and 19th century typesetting. I can't help thinking that the double
                                                                        > space
                                                                        > used then looks better than the claustrophobic version we've adopted now,
                                                                        > even
                                                                        > with proportional fonts..."
                                                                        >
                                                                        > The preponderance of "eye rolling" professionals who regard the historic
                                                                        > standard as "passe" is useful information. In my case, it's an
                                                                        > indication of
                                                                        > how hard you have to push mere technicians to achieve a standard this is
                                                                        > outside the norm. I have to deal with a lot of construction supervisors
                                                                        > who
                                                                        > don't know what cornice moulding is either, but they just admit their
                                                                        > ignorance.
                                                                        >
                                                                        > When you think about it--with respect to typography and "saving
                                                                        > space"--why
                                                                        > have paragraphs at all? Why put margins on a web page? Why set off
                                                                        > text
                                                                        > with white space? The notion that people have to break a "bad"
                                                                        > habit--setting off sentences with a space or two--is a weird homage to
                                                                        > herd
                                                                        > mentality.
                                                                        >
                                                                        >
                                                                        >


                                                                        • 33. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                                          franklf Community Member
                                                                          Don't any of us have anything better to do than argue about one space or two?

                                                                          And now just look at all that time I just wasted skimming through all these arguments and snipes.And then typing this response! And one with improper paragraphizationizingness and at least one werd spelled wrong.

                                                                          Let's get to something worthwhile such as the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin. What was the answer to that, anyway?
                                                                          • 34. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                                            foxetown Community Member
                                                                            >>How can we ever show our gratitude for your taking time to enlighten us.
                                                                            >>TML works the way it works. If you don't like it maybe you should consider
                                                                            >>a different medium to express your spectacularly superior taste. All your
                                                                            >>whining and wringing of hands is getting boring.

                                                                            Youseeitjustgoestoshowyouthatspaceofanysortisacompletewasteofbandwithandistotallypasse.Iho pesoontoeliminatetheveryperiodbetweensentencesThereAreyouhappynow?
                                                                            • 35. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                                              Newsgroup_User Community Member
                                                                              "foxetown" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:

                                                                              >There are so many good causes in the world that I may have to forego my
                                                                              >passionate investment in "two spaces after a period," but I will say that it
                                                                              >seems to be more than just a subjective argument about what looks better to our
                                                                              >eyes.

                                                                              I agree with you that two spaces does make documents easier to read, but I
                                                                              cannot understand the religious fervour of the opponents to this theory. In the
                                                                              days of the fixed spaced typewriter two spaces made a real difference, but with
                                                                              modern proportional fonts the difference in appearance has been reduced to the
                                                                              point where it is almost subliminal. And, if you can barely see the difference
                                                                              anyway, why on earth get so uptight about the subject?

                                                                              As to two spaces being prohibited in the typesetting industry, typesetters (used
                                                                              to) exist to set documents for customers. If the customer wants two spaces, and
                                                                              they want to stay in business, they had better set it that way.

                                                                              For a different view on 19th century documents, have a look at
                                                                              http://www.corybas.com/Albums/General/Old_legal_document.php. This features a
                                                                              19th century legal document which is handwritten on a very wide sheet of
                                                                              parchment, with no punctuation, and no spaces of any type.
                                                                              The writer even went to the trouble of filling in any remaining space at the end
                                                                              of a line with twiddles, so that nothing could be inserted subsequently. And
                                                                              the document is virtually unreadable.

                                                                              Clancy
                                                                              • 36. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                                                stevenkay Community Member
                                                                                Foxetown,

                                                                                Your earlier, pasted-in paragraph doesn't indicate whether or not you wish to mimic old typography as your body text in Dreamweaver; only that you prefer the double-spacing style of that era.

                                                                                BruceCSI2 wrote: "The site is about typesetting in past times..."

                                                                                I don't recall that ever being mentioned, either. Hence, all my posts being about 'today's" standards.
                                                                                • 37. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                                                  foxetown Community Member
                                                                                  Actually, I think it looks better in both eras. What I did write was that I run a site that is "living history" oriented. Obviously, the typography conventions of the era represented would be more appropriate for the site.

                                                                                  I have a book here on my desk published in 1879 and the typography is justified, but the sentence breaks are very distinct, featuring what appears to be 2-3 spaces between the period and the next capitalized letter. This seems to be the case up until the 1930s or so, at least from a very cursory review of the books on my shelf.

                                                                                  I happen to like the old standard, both for the purposes of the site, and for aesthetics, and what's interesting is that I don't think it has much to do with the transition from typewriters. The old typographers were putting the breaks in as well.

                                                                                  Live and let space, I guess. Now go ahead. Someone compare that to clowns on velvet.
                                                                                  • 38. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                                                    stevenkay Community Member
                                                                                    >"Now go ahead. Someone compare that to clowns on velvet."

                                                                                    LOL! I pictured Elvis, myself.
                                                                                    • 39. Re: Two spaces after a period
                                                                                      Newsgroup_User Community Member
                                                                                      foxetown wrote:
                                                                                      > No offense, but those are probably the same "pros" who can't copy-edit without
                                                                                      > a spell-checker. If html browsers can't wrap text because of the extra space,
                                                                                      > I understand why it is left out, but for years the extra space was actually
                                                                                      > taught in typing and composition classes, and I believe I know why: it's more
                                                                                      > readable.
                                                                                      >

                                                                                      But that was in typewriter days when all letters had the same width.
                                                                                      Proportionally spaced fonts should not require the extra space.

                                                                                      --
                                                                                      Bonnie