29 Replies Latest reply: Apr 29, 2014 8:14 AM by Kowla RSS

    Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD

    Kowla Community Member

      Hi,

       

      I have recently edited a film on premiere pro CS6 and it's all set to be exported. The film was shot with a 5D mark 3 @ 1920 x 1080, 24 fps. The timeline is about 160 minutes long. I have to export this to a DVD (like a classic DVD feature film with menus, subtitles etc). What export settings on premiere should I choose? I tried exporting in the .avi format but I'm getting horizontal lines (interlaced scanning) which is strange because I remember selecting the 'progressive scan' option.

       

      I saw a video where this guy says adobe encoder is unable to resize HD videos into DVD (720x480) format succsessfully so he uses TMPGEnc video mastering to resize it before sending it to Encore.

       

      Is TMPGEnc the only way around to this solution? Or is there something about premiere pro export settings that guy didn't know about, which probably the wise ones here can tell me?

       

      Thanks in advance,

      Kola

        • 1. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
          John T Smith CommunityMVP

          I use a different HD camera, but I do not have any problems having PPro export to DV AVI (or MPEG2-DVD) for later Encore authoring... but, I use the default interlaced for a DVD, not progressive, so can't help with that part

          • 2. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
            Kowla Community Member

            Thank you John, not only for your prompt reply but also for mentioning something which I comepletely forgot: I DO NOT get the 'MPEG2-DVD' option in the dropdown. What the heck?

            • 3. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
              cvid01 Community Member

              While in PPro, click on File, Export, Media - should open your export menu, which under Format should be a drop-down menu that includes MPEG2-DVD.

               

              What is your procedure that does not show the option?

              • 4. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                Kowla Community Member

                I do the same as you suggested. File>export>media. Under format I don't see 'mpeg2-dvd'. is this a bug?

                • 6. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                  JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                  For something that long, I would recommend an alternative method.

                   

                  Export out an AVI file using the free UT codec.  It's lossless, so no degradation.

                   

                  http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Ut-Video-Codec-Suite

                   

                  Use that file in the free HC Encoder to create the MPEG asset for DVD authoring.  You'll get better quality at lower bitrates, especially using CQ mode.  The following settings are a good guide for shorter works.  For something this long, try changing the dc prec to 9, the maximum to 8000, and the Quant value to 5.

                   

                  http://www.videohelp.com/tools/HC

                   

                  HC 1.png

                   

                  HC 2.png

                  • 7. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                    Kowla Community Member

                    Hi,

                     

                    I have installed UT Codec. Now in the export window under the video codec dropdown, these are the UT Codec options I get.

                     

                    Codec Options.jpg

                     

                    Which one do I choose?

                    • 8. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                      Ann Bens CommunityMVP

                      You wont get 160 minutes on a dvd without a bitratecalculator.

                      I use a framesever and Tmpgec: quick and easy. Exports straight to m2v+wav which you can use directly in Encore.

                      http://dvd-hq.info/bitrate_calculator.php

                      http://sourceforge.net/projects/advancedfs/

                      http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tvmw5.html

                      • 9. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                        JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                        The fourth, 420 BT.709.

                        • 10. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                          JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                          You wont get 160 minutes on a dvd without a bitratecalculator.

                           

                          I do it.

                           

                          Besides, bitate calculators are useless for the recommended CQ mode.

                          • 11. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                            Kowla Community Member

                            I encoded it. It saved it as a .avi file. HCGUI won't recognize it. Here are the list of export options I get:

                            Formats.jpg

                             

                            How do I get it to .avs?

                            • 12. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                              Ann Bens CommunityMVP

                              Jim needs to explain the workflow, it is not compleet.

                              You need avisyth and write a small script.

                              That is why I use frameserver and Tmpenc: no hassle.

                              • 13. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                Sorry about that.  Ann's right.

                                 

                                I would be nice if HC Encoder took the AVI file directly.  I don't know why the program developer requires the tedious Avisynth work around.  You will need to install that and write a 'script' to get the export into HC Encoder.

                                 

                                http://avisynth.nl/index.php/Main_Page

                                • 14. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                  Ann Bens CommunityMVP

                                  You need to tell how to write a script and what to put in it.

                                  • 15. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                    Kowla Community Member

                                    Hi Ann and Jim,

                                     

                                    Thank you for your advice. I double checked the timeline length, it's exactly 176 minutes.

                                     

                                    Jim, for .avs I stumbled upon this page http://neuron2.net/www.math.berkeley.edu/benrg/avisynth-premiere.html"

                                    Just tell me if it's worth doing this, coz encoding this film takes about 9 hours easily.

                                     

                                    Ann, I have got Tmpgenc and also installed the advanced frameserver. Now what do I do?

                                     

                                    I just need to get this film out on a dual layer dvd without compromising too much on the quality, so whichever method you guys think would be the best and would work, I'd go with that.

                                     

                                    Thanks in advance,

                                    Kola

                                    • 16. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                      Kowla Community Member

                                      Here's an update. Project has been shifted to a premiere pro CC machine. So now I have the following export options to choose from:

                                       

                                      Codec updated.jpg

                                       

                                      Ann, I haven't installed the advanced frame server in this one yet. If you give me a complete workflow then I'd go ahead and do it.

                                      • 17. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                        JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                        Just tell me if it's worth doing this, coz encoding this film takes about 9 hours easily.

                                         

                                        I wouldn't.  There are a couple benefits of my recommended method.  For one, you start with a Master quality copy with the rendering already done.  Secondly, HC Encoder is pretty fast to use that for the transcode process, and if you ever need to transcode it again, either because you messed up the settings or because you need a different format (say for the web), you can always go back to that Master and avoid the long render times, needing only to transcode, which is often much quicker by comparison.

                                        • 18. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                          Ann Bens CommunityMVP

                                          Install frameserver.

                                          Select Advanced frameserver in the Export Settings.

                                          Set Output.

                                          Hit Export.

                                          The export dialog box wont show a renderbar, that is normal.

                                          Open Tmpgenc and select New Project.

                                          With From File select the avi the Frameserver created.

                                          Go to Format and select DVD-video.

                                          Set the parameters how you would like them.

                                          For Output Mulitplexer select Elementry (video+audio).

                                          Select Encode.

                                          Hit Export.

                                          • 19. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                            Kowla Community Member

                                            Thanks a lot Ann and Jim. You both being veterans on this forum I think I'm going to try both the methods starting with Ann's workflow. I've already started the export process and it says it's encoding it. This is what I've been seeing for the last 10 minutes:

                                             

                                            Encoding.jpg

                                             

                                            I know you said the render bar won't show, but, here there is a bar only with no progress at all. Is this what you meant? Also, why is the CPU usage at 2% and RAM Usage at 19% when during encoding both figures hit the 50% - 60% mark?

                                             

                                            So anyway, I closed the window and try again and this time it returned me an error, which basically crashes premiere:

                                             

                                            Error.png

                                            Once again, I'm using premiere pro CC. Has this workflow been tried with CC?

                                            ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------

                                             

                                            Jim, I tried your method too. I referred to this page: http://neuron2.net/www.math.berkeley.edu/benrg/avisynth-premiere.html

                                             

                                            I did exactly what it suggested, dropped the suggested .prm into the plugins folder. The first time I went to program > adobe > premiere cc > plug ins > common and then dropped the file there and opened premiere cc and went to export but under no option I get a 'link to avisynth' as filetype option. So then I go to program > adobe > common > plug ins > 7.0 > media core and I dump the .prm file there. I restart premiere and then go to export, same thing.

                                             

                                            why are things so unnecessarily complicated and the ones which are not return error? This is so frustrating, I'm going crazy here. Please help, you guys.

                                            • 20. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                              Kowla Community Member

                                              Couldn't find anything relevant with cpp 647 on google. How do we deal with this?

                                              • 21. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                                Ann Bens CommunityMVP

                                                I have used the AFS with Tmpgenc many times with CC.

                                                Dont close the renderbar, your screendump is correct.

                                                Hop over to Tmpenc there is where the encoding is set en rendering.

                                                • 22. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                                  Kowla Community Member

                                                  OMG! I tried again and it's working! You're an angel Ann. I've not yet hit the encode button, just have one last thing to ask before take a look at this TMPGEnc export screenshot:

                                                   

                                                  Final Screenshot.jpg

                                                  I have kept the audio bitrate to 320 and used upto 98.55% of the DVD space (dual layer DVD). Will the remaining 1.45% space be enough for the the Menu and Subtitles when I finally burn it in encore? In other words, are these calculations accurate?

                                                  • 23. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                                    Kowla Community Member

                                                    Ignore the previous post, I got that sorted. Except, when I select 16:9 wide screen I see two thin black vertical bars on both left and right. Why is there a disparity in the aspect ratio when it was shot in 16:9? anyway, this one's still trivial.

                                                     

                                                    The main reason for this post is this brand new problem I have now. So after clicking export on premiere I hop on to TMPGEnc and select the .avi file it has created. It very comfortably accepts it. Then I choose the export settings, DVD, then I make sure the output is elementary (audio + video) and tweak around with the bitrate finally to fit the DVD and then I hit encode and it starts encoding until...

                                                     

                                                    it reaches the 2235th frame which happens to be a title frame with text on it and the encoding stops right there. The time elapsed keeps increasing but nothing else happens. Earlier I thought it had something to do with the 'detect scene change' button box checked in tmpgenc so i tried again with that unchecked but it does the same thing again, encoding stops at the title frame. It also creates a fully functional .mpg file till that frame. Clearly, the program's thinking that's the end of the film and it's stop encoding it, but why? BTW, this isn't the first title. There is another title in the very beginning but that one doesn't have any video transition. This title frame has a 'dip to black' applied to it.

                                                    • 24. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                                      JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                      You need to tell how to write a script and what to put in it.

                                                       

                                                      Here's how I do it.

                                                       

                                                      Install Avisynth, including the multi-thread mod.

                                                       

                                                      http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=148782

                                                       

                                                      Export the UT AVI file to the root of your export drive, in my case it's the G: drive.  I simply call it "post", so I don't have to change the script every time.

                                                       

                                                      Open Notepad and paste the following into it.

                                                       

                                                      SetMTMode(2)

                                                      AviSource("G:\post.avi")

                                                      ConvertToYV12()

                                                       

                                                      Rename that Notepad file as premiere.avs

                                                       

                                                      From HC Encoder, you can open that .avs file and it will see whatever file is the current "post.avi".

                                                      • 25. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                                        Kowla Community Member

                                                        Hey Jim, this one got me a lot closer. So after creating the .avs file I used that file in HCGUI and tweaked the settings as mentioned in your screen grab and then encoded the video. After the video was encoded I played the .m2v file on vlc player and here are a few things I noticed:

                                                         

                                                        1. The flm is stretched horizontally. I selected 16:9. Here's a screengrab of a shot. It's a temple bell, supposed to be round.

                                                         

                                                        Stretched.jpg

                                                         

                                                        2. There is no associated audio track. Do I have to export audio seperately from premiere? Or did i miss something in HCGUI?

                                                         

                                                        3. The .m2v file is only 1.77 GB. That's too much compression considering the original UT avi stands at about 32 gb. How do I decompress the encoding (I just have to somehow fit this in a dual layer DVD)? Get those figures you tweaked back to default in HCGUI?

                                                         

                                                        Thanks in advance,

                                                        Kola

                                                        • 26. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                                          Ann Bens CommunityMVP

                                                          If the rendering gets stuck on a dip to black use keyframes instead or the clip or whatever is corrupt.

                                                          • 27. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                                            JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                            1. Bring the file into Encore, check it there.

                                                             

                                                            2. Correct, audio and video are separate files when authoring DVD and Blu-ray.

                                                             

                                                            3. UT is lossless.  It will be a HUGE file by comparrison. Don't worry about that.  If the full video came out that small, then just use the settings from the graphic I posted and don't make the changes I recommended.

                                                            • 28. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                                              Kowla Community Member

                                                              Jim, you the man. Not at my workstation right now. Will do the needful and let you know soon. Thanks a bunch for helping out noobs so selflessly. Appreciate it man.

                                                              • 29. Re: Premiere pro CS6 export to DVD
                                                                Kowla Community Member

                                                                Oops didn't see your reply earlier. Will try to use a new title card and see what goes. Thank you so much for doing so much. Much appreciated.