To Adobe Leaderships - A very bold and crazy proposal about AS4 and Swift

Yes, GOOD!

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As long as there is some capability to still run the older code using emulation or some extension, now would be a good time to transition to a fully stage3D runtime focused on performance. It probably wouldn't be too difficult to even migrate the timeline/movieclip based structure of Flash professional out to something similar to Starling.

I hope AIR can use Swift too! +1

I don't think there is a strong business case for this? How would this work

when targeting Android, OS X, Windows, Linux and embedded systems? It means

that all your existing AS3/Flex code needs to be re-written. This goes

against the cross-platform nature of AIR/AS3/Flex.

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Why we have to rewrite all existing projects? Could it be compatible? If we want to update existing projects, we could use as3. If we want to create new projects, we could use as4 which can be compiled to swift.

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There's no good reason to invest in a walled-garden, single-company language, whether as a developer or a company.  Swift is an brand new experiment, and you guys are acting like brainwashed iSheep.  Go download xcode and get off my Adobe AIR forums.

What are you?  what!  not who!

u can say"get off my Adobe AIR forums"?

who you represent?

myself

All get off ! Because all is SB.hahahaha.....

你是小狗

more innovation for ActionScript +1

Oh god.

Now apple people finally admit that their dear Obj-C s*cks (now it's all over the place how bad the syntax is since Swift was announced but you couldn't speak about it before lol) and now they want new stuff to be coded in Swift cause they will have to learn to code that stuff anyway for iOS8 stuff... And we know shepple like restricted echo systems. So we ALL should move to Swift lol and everything has to look like Swift lol. So Apple first fought hard to have flash out of their stuff and push html5, and now we have to have flash/air as Swift? Go do your html5 apps and leave us the f alone or go learn your half assed programming language. How about Apple start playing in the people's court and adopt mainstream languages? Apple has just rolled on his back and cum'd on his own face by rendering obsolete their old language, so now everything has to be recoded, and everything has to be resold again and margins have to be had again on publishing apps and the like. They just recycled their sh*t seems like they need a boost very bad. It's a clever & bold move from a commercial stand point. But also shows how apple need more time and have basically no strategy.

Venting over.

this does not make any sens at all

"Restart the ActionScript 4 program, make the language syntax near as Apple Swift as possible"

seriously why ?

AS3 "as is" already have a large community of developers,

numerous libraries and open source projects

and can compiel to different platforms: iOS and Android

AFAIK Swift have less developers, and compile only to iOS

"Develop a brand new version of the AIR ADT iOS Packager, find a way to pack the AS4 to native Swift codes, and run the AIR application natively on iOS & Mac OS, resulting in a much better performance."

please read

Optimizing ActionScript Bytecode using LLVM

http://llvm.org/devmtg/2009-10/Petersen_OptimizingActionScriptBytecode.pdf

AIR applications already run natively on iOS and Mac OS (see captive runtime)

"Developers who develop with Swift for iOS & Mac OS, they can easily develop with AS4 for all other mainstream platforms, without having to learn different languages"

you can already do that with AS3

with AS3 you can publish to the web (SWF), to the desktop and mobile (AIR)

you can either do 2D programming (display list) or accelerated 3D programming (Stage3D)

there are already tons of AS3 libraries

and for AIR there are also a lot of Native Extensions (ANE)

to extend the capabilities

"so far as I know, people who develop for Apple also develop for Android and other platforms, they will be pleased to know that AS4 can do all of them"

you don't need to wait for AS4, it can be done right now with AS3

and it's been done for few years already ...

"ActionScript 4 will become the most popular script language of all time"

ActionScript 3 is already pretty popular

rank #14 on TIOBE index

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

so again why ?

So that swf could run on mobile but this time, it will be very efficient in terms of memory consumption and stuff.

Change or left behind.

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You said I knew. I always know.

We have deep feelings for AS3.

But AS3 now only in the WebGame and market.

Not AS3, is flash.

We wish him well.

So we will have unrealistic ideas.

Attitude is everything. The official attitude to the developer.

Get off?

By the way nae. NAE to complex native operation only.

The basic WiFi, power, notice. Should be provided.

Really??

Left flex to write their own app mobile phone with AS3, only the game. This is the status quo.

The only game game.....

Apche flex to JS

ps: Have a look this http://www.flash-x.cn/   (Unofficial) 

AS3/AIR is already efficient in term of memory consumption

the problem is ppl not used to mobile development think they have unlimited ressources like they have on the desktop

to your "change or left behind"

I would answer: learn to program efficiently for mobile

there is no magic like a new language or a particular framework that gonna do the work for you

look I m just saying that
- there is nothing faster and simpler to write hybrid application with AS3

- I don't want to use Lua, C#, Swift or whatever.... I want to use AS3

if the Flash API is not enoughredtamarin - AS3 running on the command-line - Google Project Hosting

we can extend AIR with ANE
yes I do agree that wifi, power, notice, etc. should be part of AIR by default

but replacing AS3 with another language will nto solve those problems imho

ps: have a look at this redtamarin - AS3 running on the command-line - Google Project Hosting

"we can extend AIR with ANE

yes I do agree that wifi, power, notice, etc. should be part of AIR by default"

I agree with that too, adobe AIR should include basic core function access as a core feature for both iOS & Android. This is what makes AIR so marginal/trivial when it comes to mobile dev. I never understood why Adobe left the ANE space empty for people to develop all the extensions without assuring quality. I mean it's a big company with access to massive capitals, I'm sure they can afford a few more developers to take care of that side of the product? Why isn't it a turn key platform?

Good that Adobe won't listen to you or that you guys are not in charge. The Flash technology would be dead within a year.

Yes , Flash is dead because of the preformace.

1.Load file is very very slow.

2.upload the texture is very very slow.

3.lost texture on android

4.cocos2d-x lua/js version    draw call 100    itouch4         fps 60

  starling             drawcall 100  itouch4     fps 10-20

Or you could simply learn Swift.

Swift is relatively new language and it is in many ways similar to AS3. Which is very good, that IOS developers now have language much more similar to JS, JAVA, C#, and others, but unfortunately the guys who develop Swift at Apple does not seem to be very bright, so will see if something good comes out from Swift at all. Certainly not worth to jump right into it. Will wait and see.

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