9 Replies Latest reply: Jun 26, 2014 10:34 AM by Rob Cole RSS

    Is there a way to make the smart previews 3000 pixels?

    catduyck Community Member

      I am on Foap, a phone app agency. The easiest workflow for me is sync between LR desktop and mobile. The smart previews are just 200 pixels too small for upload to Foap... Foap pics need to have a minimum of roughly 2600 pixels. How can I avoid having all my pics in Lightroom mobile to just be a little too small? Any suggestions?

        • 1. Re: Is there a way to make the smart previews 3000 pixels?
          JimHess Community Member

          I don't know what Foap is, but I do know that smart previews are a fixed size. There is no way for you to change that. However, you can export copies and specify exact sizes such as the long side of the image should be 3000 pixels. Then you could synchronize those exported copies with Lightroom mobile. I don't want that would solve your problem or not.

          • 2. Re: Is there a way to make the smart previews 3000 pixels?
            Hal P Anderson Community Member

            Nice try, but AFAIK, you're out of luck. Smart previews have a fixed size, and furthermore, they're not JPEGs, but lossy-compressed DNGs, which Foap probably can't deal with, anyway.

             

            Hal

            • 3. Re: Is there a way to make the smart previews 3000 pixels?
              Rob Cole Community Member

              The smart previews must be exported to be useful, since they are un-edited, like a raw file.

               

              Upsizing them by a couple hundred pixels (when exporting) probably won't hurt too much, but then why not just export the raws?

               

              PS - a plugin can replace the smart previews with a larger version (I have a plugin which replaces them with a smaller version), but as I said, there's no value in it for what you are hoping to do, if I understand you correctly.

               

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              • 4. Re: Is there a way to make the smart previews 3000 pixels?
                catduyck Community Member

                Thanks guys, have been playing and testing a bit more. There must be something I am not getting. I exported 3000 pixel jpg's via dropbox to my ipad. I notice that if I hit the crop/ratio section and hit the 11x8.5 format my pics do get accepted by Foap, which is an agency for phone photography. I do also upload pics from my big camera though and that is where the whole thing baffles me. I do need to get my big files to ipad or iphone since Foap does not work from desktop. So I had a setup to go from LR desktop to LRmobile and then on to Foap. Since I changed to smart previews I could not upload to Foap anymore because I kept getting the too small file warning every time.

                I found that the smart previews are in fact dng files, which I did not know before, I thought that the smart previews were jpg's. If I apply the 8.5x11 ratio to those smart previews, they are big enough for Foap. If i hit the 7x5 they are not big enough. I thought that the ratio was not really image size related but only gave a ratio for cropping. If I hit the 8.5x11 ratio, do I upsample my image?

                This might be the lousiest explanation you ever read, I am flemish speaking really and have a hard time explaining technical things in english.

                Am I wrong in thinking that the ratio of a photograph can be applied to either 3000 pixels or 1500 pixels, without actually changing the total size in mb's of the photograph? Or has my brain changed to mush from too much overthinking? I have also tried to find an answer in Julianne Kost her movies, but she goes rather quickly over the ratio panel. Normally I have no problems with sizing and ratio's... I also never thought about it before... Alzheimers strikes I think!

                Anyway, if I keep hitting the 8.5x11 ratio I am good. So my problem is solved even if I can't explain why... Anybody here who can explain in toddler level what I am missing? Thanks in advance...

                • 5. Re: Is there a way to make the smart previews 3000 pixels?
                  Rob Cole Community Member

                  catduyck wrote:

                   

                  Since I changed to smart previews I could not upload to Foap

                  Why aren't you exporting the original raws instead of the smart previews? You should only be exporting smart previews if the the originals are not available, e.g you're traveling or something. (actually there are other reasons too, but that's the main one)

                   

                  That said, the only difference between exporting smart previews and original raws (from a size perspective I mean) is that the "non-enlarged" size dimensions of the smart preview is usually smaller than the original, so if you need 3000 pixels on a side, you MUST un-check the 'Do Not Enlarge' checkbox when exporting (since maximum size of smart preview is 2560 long edge).

                   

                  If you really do have a reason for exporting smart previews instead of originals (which by the way, without plugin support, you can ONLY do if the originals are offline), then it may very well behoove you to create 3000 pixel smart previews instead. If this is the case (I'm not convinced yet), I can easily add a feature to a plugin (probably PreviewExporter) for creating the optimal size smart previews instead.

                   

                  I realize I didn't answer all your questions, but it seems most of them go away once you understand the fundamental principles: smart previews are just a shrunken version of your raw (original), kept in a subfolder of the catalog, and accessed instead of the original if-and-only-if your originals are offline, and behave as a raw/original file substitute.

                   

                  Rob

                  • 6. Re: Is there a way to make the smart previews 3000 pixels?
                    catduyck Community Member

                    Hi guys, thank you all so much for your input. The reason for me to work with smart previews is mostly that I only have a 32 gig ipad, so I am really worried to fill it up. We do travel a lot and I easily shoot 4000 pics on a trip of 14 days, so I am always looking for storage. I am still not quiet sure that while we travel, I will not run out of space and I am not a hundred percent sure that if I remove pics from my ipad that the original will stay on my cloud or sync to my desktop at home.

                    In the mean time I have found that if I click the 8.5x11 in the crop tool my images are big enough, but it seems to default to the 3x2 aspect, and that aspect is not nearly enough for Foap. I am not even mentioning Alamy here. There minimum size has to be 24 megs. I am shooting full frame.

                    It's all a big heap of logic reasoning... Which is my main problem. I have been sick and five sedations in one summer took care of half of my braincells. Never mind. Bygones... as Richard Fish would say ;o)))

                    It's like magic...

                    Guess I can keep the 8.5 rule of thumb as a working solution for now... And will stay on the desktop if my big files need to go to Alamy. I am still a bit confused between the ratio and pixelcount...

                    • 7. Re: Is there a way to make the smart previews 3000 pixels?
                      Rob Cole Community Member

                      catduyck wrote:

                       

                      32 gig ipad

                      Ah - so this is some kinda Lr mobile thang I guess. I have virtually no experience with Lr mobile.

                       

                      But to clarify, you are exporting the smart previews in some other format, right, like jpeg. ?

                       

                      Crop determines shape (aspect ratio) - not size/dimensions; export resizing determines (bounding) size (dimensions) - not shape/aspect-ratio.

                       

                      It would be possible to make smart previews 3000 pixels by way of a plugin, but dunno if worth the bother, since upsizing a little bit is not too bad - let me know..

                       

                      Rob

                      • 8. Re: Is there a way to make the smart previews 3000 pixels?
                        catduyck Community Member

                        Don't bother for me Rob because I can work around. You are saying what I thought or have been thinking, but I somehow think that adjusting the ratio does change the pixel count in LR mobile. You can't really export from LR mobile, all you can do is save to camera roll. I would think that "save to camera roll" is the same as save as, where saving is not really (or is it?) exporting. In that line of thinking: if I would export from LR to jpeg with 3000 widest side, it somehow should not end up in the camera roll measuring smaller... Which it does unless I chip on the 8.5 to 11 ratio...

                        It does not make sense to me, but then I can work with it without it making sense, so on we go. Thanks for all your input again. I learned in this little thread...

                         

                        Thanks to anyone who participated.

                        • 9. Re: Is there a way to make the smart previews 3000 pixels?
                          Rob Cole Community Member

                          catduyck wrote:

                           

                          does not make sense to me

                          I suspect the reason aspect ratio (crop) is influencing export size is that files are being exported with a specific bounding dimensions, and how exported files fit into those confines depends on aspect ratio (shape) - but I could be wrong since I dunno much about Lr mobile.

                           

                          Maybe somebody with more Lr mobile experience could explain more specifically..

                           

                          But you're up n' running, so that's the main thing.

                           

                          Cheers,

                          Rob