2 Replies Latest reply: Jul 4, 2014 10:40 PM by Cuse14 RSS

    Is it possible for illustrator (cs5 or later) to open/maintain original PDF layers?

    Cuse14 Community Member

      I want to edit a map that I found on the USGS.gov website.  From that site, I've downloaded a PDF file which is organized into a few layers.  Of course when I open it, illustrator has all the content grouped together and on one layer.

       

      I am a long time user, but some of the program details evade me.  I just want to know once and for all... is this just impossible?, or is there a way to work around this?

       

      *One other thing I've considered but haven't tried yet, is to export or re-save each layer as its own individual PDF.  Then maybe I can open each one in illustrator and reassemble the map from there.

       

      **Here is a link to the map, if anyone wants to download it and experiment.

      http://store.usgs.gov/b2c_usgs/catalog/setCurrentItem/(isQuery=yes&xcm=r3standardpitrex_pr d&query=*Milwaukee%2C+WI*&layo…

       

      Best,

      Alex

        • 1. Re: Is it possible for illustrator (cs5 or later) to open/maintain original PDF layers?
          Dov Isaacs Employee Hosts

          The real issue here is that of editability of general PDF files in Adobe Illustrator.

           

          The fact is that Adobe Illustrator is not, repeat not, repeat one more time not a general purpose editor of PDF files, popular beliefs and perceptions not withstanding. The only PDF files that can fully and properly be edited by Adobe Illustrator are PDF files that were originally saved from Adobe Illustrator using the save editability option when created and if the PDF file has not been subsequently modified by any other software. In that case and that case alone, Illustrator “opens” and allows editing of the PDF file but instead of using the PDF constructs, uses “private data” that Illustrator itself put into the file at creation time describing the original .ai Illustrator content, styles, layers, etc.

           

          In all other cases, Illustrator attempts to open the PDF file and convert it into an Illustrator file, but since Illustrator's imaging model is a subset of the full PDF imaging model, you can expect possible content loss or modification, color space changes (Illustrator only supports either CMYK and gray or RGB in an Illustrator file), and text re-encoding. Note that in all cases, Illustrator never uses the fonts embedded in the PDF file, but in fact requires the fonts referenced in an Illustrator file (including PDF converted to Illustrator format)  to be installed on the system itself; thus font substitutions are possible. Layers from a non-Illustrator PDF file are not preserved upon opening such a file in Illustrator.

           

          Thus, to address your particular scenario, unless the map you downloaded in PDF format from the usgs.gov website is a PDF saved from Adobe Illustrator using the save editability option, you cannot access the layers in Illustrator. Furthermore, ignoring the layers issue, you may find the rest of your editing PDF in Illustrator experience somewhat lacking.

           

                    - Dov

          • 2. Re: Is it possible for illustrator (cs5 or later) to open/maintain original PDF layers?
            Cuse14 Community Member

            Yea, I mean, I already knew this but I was just hoping and wishing my life could be made just a bit easier.  It is irritating that they do not think to put just a little bit more effort into the possible multi-program use, in terms of workflows... especially between Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat and InDesign.  Oh well.

             

            Thanks for the response @DovIsaacs.  The bit about the text / typefaces I already knew as well, and was expecting that, and that's okay because I don't need the text, I'm turning this into a drawing (#architecture school).  In the mean time, I went ahead and saved each layer from the PDF as its own PDF.  And that quickly gets me to my starting point in Ai, but once I hit a particular layer of the map that could have its own sub-layers, it gets annoying again because then, I have to deal with all these embedded groups and clipping masks.  It just seems that I cannot hit "ungroup" or "explode clipping mask" enough!  It's going to be some time before I get to the point where I can select lines without having to double-click into the isolated groups etc.


            Thanks anyways, guess I'll have to struggle on and make it work somehow.


            Best,

            Alex