26 Replies Latest reply on Jul 24, 2014 4:27 AM by rod-oz

    D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5

    Rajeevav

      llightroom 5.5 can't import NEF files from Nikon D810. Can someone pls help?

        • 1. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
          JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          There was a discussion about this camera in one of the other Adobe forums. I use Nikon cameras, but I haven't followed the development and introduction of this model. As of last night, someone who knows more than I do indicated that the camera hasn't been officially released yet. But he indicated that there should be a release candidate of Camera Raw soon. We will just have to wait and see if the camera is supported in the release candidate. If not, it will probably be available in the next official release. The same would hold true with Lightroom.

          • 2. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
            thedigitaldog MVP & Adobe Community Professional

            Pretty new camera right? Probably have to download the lastest DNG converter and convert. It's what being an early adopter gets us thanks to the proprietary raw file formats the manufacturers insist on building. I believe Camera Raw 8.5 supports it but I don't think LR has been updated yet so just convert to DNG and you should be good to go.

            • 3. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
              JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              The DNG converter won't support it if Lightroom or Camera Raw (latest releases) don't.

              • 4. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                thedigitaldog MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                JimHess wrote:

                 

                The DNG converter won't support it if Lightroom or Camera Raw (latest releases) don't.

                Thought ACR 8.5 did (it doesn't it appears).

                Here's the rub. CC gets an ACR update before LR does due to subscription.

                It's just pointless people have to wait to use their raw data simply because these companies insist on making tiny changes to the raw files that Adobe and everyone else has to hack.

                • 5. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                  Rajeevav Level 1

                  bought today Only. Camera raw 8.5 also do not support.

                  • 6. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                    JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    That is right. You will have to wait for the next release of Camera Raw to see if Adobe had time to add support for that camera.

                    • 7. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                      Rajeevav Level 1

                      Any idea how long will it take?

                      • 8. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                        JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        Anyone who gives you an estimate doesn't know. And anyone knows is not allowed to tell you. So I will give you an estimate. It was suggested in the other forum that it was about time for another release candidate. The camera could be supported or have preliminary support in that release candidate. That estimate is coming from someone who doesn't know anymore than you do.

                        • 9. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                          thedigitaldog MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                          Rajeevav wrote:

                           

                          Any idea how long will it take?

                          Could be months. LR doesn't have the same update schedule as ACR. However, once Adobe does hack the raw format to understand the changes, the DNG converter will likely be updated the same time as ACR. LR is a different story. Adobe does keep a release schedule, even for subscriptions. So say they release 4-5 updates a year. And say they released ACR 8.5 in June without that support for that new Nikon, you could be waiting awhile. Please do write to Nikon and thank them for this delay. It wasn't necessary, they could have either provided Adobe and other's a raw file before release, or better, just kept the raw the same as the other camera bodies. The differences in each raw file is pretty insignificant but enough so it's not understood by current versions of all raw converters but Nikon's. Adobe and everyone else who writes a raw converter are in the same slow boat ride as you are. So you can use Nikon's raw converter for the time being, it's your only option.

                           

                          Funny, as each new camera is released, this is NEVER an issue with the JPEG. An openly documented format that doesn't change all the time is useful.

                          • 10. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                            ssprengel Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                            How many years has it been that the LR and ACR final versions weren’t released on the same day?  

                             

                            What has been different, recently, is that LR has stopped doing Release Candidates, perhaps due to the addition of LR Mobile and the infrastructure or iOS side of things wasn’t ready.  So ACR gets a RC released that supports a camera a month or so before the final release, while LR doesn’t, yet PS-ACR and LR have been released at the same time for some years, now, aside from the occasional hiccup.

                            • 11. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                              thedigitaldog MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                              ssprengel wrote:

                               

                              How many years has it been that the LR and ACR final versions weren’t released on the same day?  

                              How many years has ACR been part of a host that is a subscription model? Look at what's happening with ACR in CS6 versus CC or CC 2014. It's a new release game now.

                              • 12. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                ssprengel Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                ACR has been released for CS6 and CC 14 and CC 2014 on the same day as the corresponding DNG Converter and corresponding Lightroom since before there was a CC 14 version.  As such the same set of cameras are supported on the same day for across all these Adobe products which is what this thread is about, support for the D810 which is too new to be supported in any released Adobe products.

                                 

                                What is different is that ACR 8.5 includes a slight functional improvement of being able to edit spotting tool areas that LR doesn't have or at least not documented to have, though I'm not convinced this isn't due to enhancement schedules slipping due to the LR team having too much on their plate and an Cloud announcement event that was scheduled months in advance so couldn't slip, though it could be that we're seeing functional improvements in CC 2014's ACR that we'll have to wait for LR6 for. 

                                • 13. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                  thedigitaldog MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                                  ssprengel wrote:

                                  What is different is that ACR 8.5 includes a slight functional improvement of being able to edit spotting tool areas that LR doesn't have or at least not documented to have, though I'm not convinced this isn't due to enhancement schedules slipping due to the LR team having too much on their plate and an Cloud announcement event that was scheduled months in advance so couldn't slip, though it could be that we're seeing functional improvements in CC 2014's ACR that we'll have to wait for LR6 for.

                                  ACR in CS6 is done in terms of any new functionality, how long camera support continues is questionable. PS CC 2014 continue to get new features. So this alone is a new behavior. While ACR and the DNG converter have and I suspect will continue to be released at the same time, that's not necessarily going to happen with LR which is kind of an odd beast now that we have both CC subscription and perpetual licensing. Currently, ACR has features that LR doesn't. More improvements for ACR are coming and whether they will be released before or at the same time as LR is unknown outside Adobe. Pretty darn sure you will not see functionality in ACR that LR also shares coming out after an LR release but anything is possible. To sweeten subscription, it seems illogical for LR to have a newer feature prior to ACR release. But again, this is all new territory.

                                   

                                  Getting back OT, the release of ACR and LR that can support the new Nikon will happen, but when? Could be weeks, could be months. Until then, the OP has no options other than using the Nikon raw converter (or shooting JPEG which as I pointed out is never an issue like these damn proprietary raw files).

                                  • 14. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                    JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    And, just to clarify, even though Camera Raw 8.5 for Photoshop CS6 will not have any new features other than camera support, it will read new features that are added to Lightroom. At least that is the case now. Who knows what the future holds?

                                    • 15. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                      thedigitaldog MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                                      thedigitaldog wrote:

                                      Until then, the OP has no options other than using the Nikon raw converter (or shooting JPEG which as I pointed out is never an issue like these damn proprietary raw files).

                                      Or another 3rd party converter that gets updated sooner. Iridient Developer (Mac only) has been updated.

                                      • 16. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                        Ian Lyons MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                                        Just posted to Lightroom Journal Lightroom Journal | Tips and advice straight from the Lightroom team. It's not Lightroom, but does address the original question. Definitely worth a look, sooner rather than later.

                                         

                                        Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 8.6 RC for CC and CC 2014 Release Candidate | digital camera raw file support - Adobe Labs

                                        • 17. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                          thedigitaldog MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                                          The DNG converter was also released which will fix the issue. Convert, then LR will deal with the new raw files just fine.

                                          Download Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 8.6 Beta - Adobe Labs

                                          • 18. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                            Rajeevav Level 1

                                            Appreciate the support given. As a temporary fix this is a great solution. Will wait for LR update to kick in as well.

                                            • 19. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                              Rajeevav Level 1

                                              Excellent. Main worry is resolved. Now waiting for LR Update

                                              • 20. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                                rod-oz

                                                that may work for user's that have a copy of PS etc but for those of us that use only LR still have no answer.

                                                I guess my question to adobe is why a free program such as ifranview can open NEF 810 files and covert to jpg etc and users of LR will be waiting...

                                                • 21. Re: Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                                  BKKDon Level 4

                                                  Hi,

                                                   

                                                  If you look at the answer above (3 replies above at 7:15) from Andrew Rodney is means the workaround until LR 5.6 is released is to download the DNG converter, convert the NEF to DNG (only full size RAW) and import into Lightroom and process there.

                                                   

                                                  The DNG converter was also released which will fix the issue. Convert, then LR will deal with the new raw files just fine.

                                                  Download Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 8.6 Beta - Adobe Labs

                                                  • 22. Re: Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                                    rod-oz Level 1

                                                    I did see that thank you and it would seem that it only works as a plugin for PS so if you do not own PS there is no work around. so LR users such as I have no answer from adobe other the way I mentioned.

                                                    • 23. Re: Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                                      John Blair Level 3

                                                      Yes Camera Raw 8.6 only works with PS.  However, use the DNG Converter 8.6 RC to convert your 810 raw files to DNG's.  Those will work in current and earlier versions of LR. That is what Andrew was talking about.

                                                       

                                                      John

                                                      • 24. Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                                        BKKDon Level 4

                                                        Hi,

                                                         

                                                        The DNG Converter is a stand alone application that will take your NEF files and convert them to DNG where you can then import them into Lightroom 5.5 and process them in the normal way. Of course ACR 8.6 and Lightroom 5.6 will be out before the end of August (or so I believe because the plugin ACR expires by then) and it should have full support (at least for full size RAW) in Lightroom then.

                                                         

                                                        If you go to the link just download the second item on the page:

                                                         

                                                        DNG Converter 8.6 Release Candidate

                                                        Install it and go from there. Usually put the NEF files into a directory on your computer and run the DNG convertor to convert to DNG, they will then import into LR 5.5.

                                                        • 25. Re: Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                                          thedigitaldog MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                                                          Exactly, use the standalone DNG converter, convert to DNG then import, it will work in LR, ACR etc. Then when the next dot release for LR comes out, Adobe will have understood the new format and build that into the main application. Again, the issue is solely a cause of the camera manufacturer’s unnecessary need to make all their raw files a tiny bit different from the last (unlike say the JPEG they also build). If they would supply Adobe and other's with a raw file prior to release, everyone could update this faster. Or if they just had a 3rd option on the camera to save off a DNG, no problem, that DNG would act just like the JPEG. I'm unable to understand why the camera companies insist on making tiny changes for each release when the final outcome is Adobe and everyone else ends up deciphering this anyway, after time and money spent and frustration on the part of the camera owner. If this ongoing condition is less than acceptable, let the camera companies know you're not a happy consumer.

                                                          • 26. Re: Re: D810 NEF not recognized by lightroom 5.5
                                                            rod-oz Level 1

                                                            Thank you for that I was down loading the from the wrong link..I agree that camera companies should give software companies a heads upon new formats,

                                                            I still find it interesting that infranview could read these files with no fuss.