4 Replies Latest reply on Jul 28, 2014 9:03 AM by dave c courtemanche

    PDF file bloat: CC 2014

    dave c courtemanche Level 3

      Is anyone noticing a huge file bloat in the size of the PDFs created from Indesign CC 2014? Practically all of the PDFs I create are 10 to 20x larger than a similar file created under CS6. I have to open every one in Acrobat and Optimize. Quite frustrating, as all of my PDF settings are imported from the previous version.

        • 1. Re: PDF file bloat: CC 2014
          Dov Isaacs Adobe Employee

          Nothing that we have seen at Adobe. I have exported very many highly graphically-complex InDesign documents from InDesign 8, 9, and 10 and have seen no significant different is result PDF file size. I've been using the PDF/X-4 and High Quality Print settings.


          What settings are you using? What happens when you analyze the file in Acrobat Pro? What differences are there in terms of the percentage of the PDF file for imagery, content streams, overhead, color, etc. for PDF from the same source document under the different versions?


                    - Dov

          • 2. Re: PDF file bloat: CC 2014
            dave c courtemanche Level 3

            Here are my settings. Multi page booklet, creates a 12 MB file. Running an optimize reduces it 1.7 MB. Attached of screen shots of settings. Note the odd corruption in the Audit panel too.

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            • 3. Re: PDF file bloat: CC 2014
              Dov Isaacs Adobe Employee

              I think that there are really two issues here.


              I'll attack the second one first. You didn't say which version of Acrobat you are using, but if you have any version of Acrobat prior to Acrobat 11, fully updated, and are on a HiDPI Mac (i.e., the so-called Retina screens), that messy display of Audit Space Usage may be due to that. It has nothing to do with the content of your PDF file.


              However, what is interesting is that the Audit Space Usage shows the category Document Overhead with nearly 86% of the file space. What Document Overhead represents is a combination of document metadata and private data from other applications (including the private data from Illustrator when you place .AI files or .PDF files from Illustrator in which you did not disable the save editability feature). The document metadata can include XMP data in placed images but the major component of that metadata is XMP metadata that InDesign adds to your document every time you open and edit your document. When you do a simple save of your document, new metadata gets appended. And all that metadata is exported when you export PDF. When you invoked the PDF optimizer in Acrobat, what really slimmed down your PDF file was the option Discard document information and metadata!


              Solution without having to invoke Acrobat's optimization feature?


              Try saving your InDesign documents using Save as as opposed to simple Save. That should strip out much of the metadata. If that doesn't clean it up significantly, try saving as .IDML and then opening the .IDML file and resaving as .INDD.


              By the way, this issue is nothing new to InDesign 10. It is actually less problematic in recent versions than in previous ones.


              Let us know if this helps.


                        - Dov

              • 4. Re: PDF file bloat: CC 2014
                dave c courtemanche Level 3

                Thanks for the feedback Dov. We use Xinet digital asset management software, so I'll see if the bloat is coming from that. We hadn't really noticed it on previous versions, but when the dept upgraded to CC 2014 our files, collectively, really blew up. I've been doing a "save as" with all of my files. Haven't tried the idml yet. Will look into that as well as if I have plug in updates for Xinet.


                As for the Acrobat, using XI on an iMac running Mavericks.