Adobe Premiere Elements 13 Latest Developments

Thanks for the updates and info ATR!

Let us know what you think!

Regards,

Pete

Pete.Green wrote:

 

Thanks for the updates and info ATR!

Let us know what you think!

 

Regards,

Pete

Pete (or others),

Can you help me find a reference to Premier Elements 13 and it's ability to process "4K" footage.

As I'm sure you know, newer cameras, camcorders and even cell phones from Sony, Panasonic and Samsung are touting 4K video formats.  Nikon and Canon, not so much!  It seems to be important enough that other NLE providers are making it clear in their marketing promotions that 4K formats are usable and supported. 

I've spent my morning trying to find specific information from Adobe.  So far, all I can find are blogs and forum posts suggesting I download a trial version and test it with my camera's footage.  Since I don't have a Pansonic GH4, or similar, yet, it would help to know what Adobe wants consumers to know about 4K and using it.

Thanks...

Bill -- a loyal Adobe customer

Hi,

Premiere Elements supports XAVC S format. 3840x2160 resolution MP4 files for input and export (Publish/Share - - > Computer - - > XAVC) .

Regards,

Premiere Elements team

PRE_help wrote:

 

Hi,

Premiere Elements supports XAVC S format. 3840x2160 resolution MP4 files for input and export (Publish/Share - - > Computer - - > XAVC) .

 

Regards,

Premiere Elements team

Thank you for your fast reply.  I'll be upgrading from version 11 because I have a new 4K capable camera.  I know it is not a big sale for you, but for me it's better than learning something else!

May I suggest you pass the word to your marketing department.    There are several cameras from Panasonic, Sony and Samsung that are now selling well for their 4K capability.  Buyers of those video capable cameras will be buying 4K capable NLEs.  You competitors at the consumer level, including Sony, Cyberlink and Corel, are making their 4K capability obvious.   Your marketing department seems to be keeping it a secret!

Bill

Hi,

We have not tested with Panasonic GH4 camera footages.

Regards,
Premiere Elements Team

PRE_help wrote:

 

Hi,

We have not tested with Panasonic GH4 camera footages.

 

Regards,
Premiere Elements Team

It seems a little odd that you would not have tested the GH4.  As we discuss this there are only three cameras you can buy with 4K capability, the Panasonic GH4 hybrid, the Sony FDR-AX100 camcorder and the Panasonic FZ1000 bridge/superzoom.  The Panasonic LX100 was shown at Photkina and will be shipping soon.  It has been written that Sony, Panasonic and Samsung will include 4K capability in everything they bring out from now on.  Even some smartphones, including the popular Samsung Galaxy S5 shoots 4K. 

These are not "professional" cameras, they are "consumer" cameras.  Premier Elements is "consumer" software where Premier CC is "professional" software.  Buyers of these cameras are going to be shopping for "consumer" video editing software and the first thing they will be looking for is 4K compatibility.

I'm one of them.  After 4 years of using 3 versions of PrE to edit AVCHD footage, I will be "moving up".  I don't want to learn another editor. 

Would you please tell me what you meant by writing, "Premiere Elements supports XAVC S format. 3840x2160 resolution MP4 files for input and export (Publish/Share - - > Computer - - > XAVC) .

Bill

Hi Bill,

You can try to import the footage with the Trial version of Premiere Elements 13. Even though we have not specifically tested this, you can try with these footages and decide whether they work to your satisfaction. The underlying criteria for the files from "4K" cameras to work is

1. H264 compression

2. Frame size of 3840 x 2160

3. Frame rate of 29.97, 23.976 or 59.94

If these conditions match, the footages should import and work just fine in Premiere Elements. We see that the GH4 footages match (H264 - 3840x2160 - 29.97 progressive). So we do not foresee any issues. Do let us know in any case.

Regards,

Premiere Elements Team

You can try to import the footage with the Trial version of Premiere Elements 13. .... We see that the GH4 footages match (H264 - 3840x2160 - 29.97 progressive). So we do not foresee any issues. Do let us know in any case.

 

Regards,

Premiere Elements Team

Thank you!

Through friends on a camcorder forum, I am gathering up some 4K footage from a couple of consumer cameras.   For a short clip directly from a GH4, you can download a "focus test" of a very green bicycle here:  https://vimeo.com/102737409

I'll need to install the Trial Version of 13 so will need to ramp up the courage to add software to a system that has been stable with Elements, Lightroom and some plug-ins for a few years.  I will do my best to let you know how it goes.  I'm tempted skip the test phase and get on with buying the upgrade and remodeling my system!

In the mean time, I found where an online friend that I may have once convinced to buy Premier Elements 11.  When he bought a GH4 a few months ago, he upgraded to 12.   He has written a detailed explaination of his process and includes reference to ATRomano.   I'm pasting what he wrote on another forum as a possible guide to owners of 4K cameras.

"ATRomano is a neat guy. He has patiently given me alot of hand holding instructions about how to do various things with the PE12 program, whereas the other techs there often give unintelligible software-ease type answers. ATR does not seem to own a 4K camera, however, so he doesn't seem to have any first hand 4K editing experience with the PE program.

All GH4 4K/30fps videos I have shot have been recorded as MP4 files. On a Mac you just drag them into the PE 12 (and presumably PE 13) timeline. After editing you click on Publish & Share, click on Computer, then click on "AVCHD Use for exporting AVCHD". Then you click the Back button and this time click on 'XAVC-S Use for exporting XAVC-S". Then you click on MP4-H264 3840x2160 29.97 200 Mbps. Then you click on Advanced and make fine adjustments like selecting VBR 2-pass, bring the target bitrate down to 40-50 mbps if planning to upload to Youtube and also adjust your audio export settings. At this point you will have created a Preset that can be used in the future for rendering future 4K videos. The rendered 4K video will be a MP4 file just like the original was. The quality of the edited 4K video will still be excellent with not hardly any loss of detail and color depth as compared to the original that came straight out of the GH4. And the file size of the edited video will be similar to or slightly larger than the original."

Does PRE13 work correctly with a GOpro Black 3+.  Specifically, I use PRE11 when I import gopro files 1920x1080 30fps, edit and just playback it looks a little choppy.  The same video imported in gopro studio looks much better.  Why?  Have you improved pre13 to properly handle gopro video.  I have not tried shooting 4k yet, since my poor experience so far.

I do not remember orange.  So I just opened PRE11 and looked under settings and it was 1080i under general > general. editing mode at first until I imported a gopro clip and then it changed and matched your screen.  Under video rendering I checked max bit depth.  I just finished another gopro and this time the brush in the moving area was very pixelated.

If I watch the original clip in windows media player it looks much better.

Well let start with.  When I do a project with video from my Samsung S4 phone or my IPhone 5 it looks great on computer screen and when I play back a burned DVD or AVHCD.

It is the GoPro video that  PRE11 has a problem with.

First the computer screen.  On both of my computers when I right click on the playback screen.

Quality Highest; Magnification Fit; Safe Margin unchecked; Playback External device None; Aspect Hardware; Desktop Audio; 24Progresive Conversion Interlaced 2332; Export External Device DV 29.97 720; Checked Disable video output.

As for Publish.  DVD I use preset NTSC widescreen dvd; AVCHD h264 1920x1080I ntsc.

The project I am now working on I just Cleaned Media Cache database.  I thought the green render bar would change.  IT DID NOT.  I hit render and it immediately played.

Any other ideas why the GoPro video looks bad on computer screen & on dvd on hd tv.

johng1234321 wrote:

.....Any other ideas why the GoPro video looks bad on computer screen & on dvd on hd tv.

I'm sure ATRomano can confirm or correct this, but I think I remember that GoPro footage may need to be processed through GoPro's own Studio software to get frame rates consistent with project presets when mixed with footage from other sources.  

Bill