7 Replies Latest reply: Oct 21, 2014 3:14 AM by Matt Wardle RSS

    FM12 incorrect selection on clicking list items

    Matt Wardle Community Member
    Matt Wardle Sep 29, 2014 2:59 PM

      I have recently upgraded from FM10 to FM12 (Unstructured) and I am having a random problem with any part of the UI with a long list of selectable items, such as any of the Catalog pods or the Cross-Reference pod. Basically, I scroll down, select the item I want (say a paragraph style) and FrameMaker randomly selects another item. If I scroll down and try again, I'll get a different random selection. However, just to make things difficult to pin down, I can go for several hours without an issue.I work with three other authors, two on FM12 and one on FM11, none of whom have ever experienced this problem.

       

      Has anyone else encountered this with FM12 (I don't get it in FM10)? For what it's worth, I updated FM12 with today's patch, but the problem is the same.

        • 1. Re: FM12 incorrect selection on clicking list items
          Error7103 Community Member
          Error7103 Sep 29, 2014 5:15 PM (in response to Matt Wardle)

          What operating system, and 32- or 64-bit mode?

           

          Are you running any apps or input device drivers that are monitoring scancodes from mice or keyboards? (and malware would fit in that category)

           

          It would not surprise me if FM is using ordinary Windows APIs to paint and accept inputs from list dialogs. In this case, the problem not may be Adobe's.

          • 2. Re: FM12 incorrect selection on clicking list items
            Matt Wardle Community Member
            Matt Wardle Oct 1, 2014 3:53 AM (in response to Error7103)

            I'm working on a HP EliteBook 8470p (Core i7-3520 with 4GB RAM, running Win 7 64-bit with the basic desktop theme (so no Aero effects). This is different to my three colleagues, who are all running Dells, which leads me nicely on to...

             

            Regarding applications/drivers monitoring scancodes, I do have the HP Hot Key Support application on this machine, which pops up a window telling you when you've turned Caps Lock/Num Lock/Scroll Lock on and off (which is, in itself, very annoying). I have disabled the service and the start up executable (as well as renaming an additional file called 'hpcaslnotification.exe', which the service was calling). However, this hasn't solved the problem. I realise the underlying driver could still be monitoring scancodes, but with this being a laptop I cannot disable the keyboard or mouse drivers without affecting fundamental functionality, such as the ability to control brightness via the keyboard. I have also tried using two other external keyboards and mice, but the problem remains.

             

            Since my first post I have narrowed the problem down and discovered the behaviour is not random. I have the paragraph catalog and cross reference pods pinned at the side of the FM window. I've tried both in-house templates and Adobe templates and it is the same. However, the problem only happens if I scroll the currently highlighted item off the pane. Then, when I try to select a new item, it's as though FM is discounting the distance between the previously selected item and the edge of the scroll pane. I'm not sure how much difference this makes to the solution, but at least it is predictable and reproducible.

            • 3. Re: FM12 incorrect selection on clicking list items
              Russ Ward Community Member
              Russ Ward Oct 1, 2014 5:16 AM (in response to Matt Wardle)

              GuideWriter,

               

              I can confirm this bug and affirmatively state that it is incredibly aggravating. I posted about it some time ago but got little response. I do think this is Adobe's problem but I fear that it is so obscure that it will merit little research. FWIW, it occurs on my Win 7 64-bit machine for both FM11 and FM12. I was really hopeful that FM12 would somehow fix it, but no joy.

               

              Here's my post, with words that will seem familiar to you:

               

              Pod scrollbox issue

               

              Russ

              • 4. Re: FM12 incorrect selection on clicking list items
                Matt Wardle Community Member
                Matt Wardle Oct 2, 2014 8:08 AM (in response to Russ Ward)

                Russ,

                 

                I've just read your post and that is exactly same the problem I am having. I find it interesting that the item you wanted to select ('M') was the 7th item down in the current view and what got ('G') was the 7th item in the list starting from the currently selected item. This is what I meant when I said "...it's as though FM is discounting the distance between the previously selected item and the edge of the scroll pane."

                 

                Just for my own sanity, can I ask, are you using a HP of some kind?

                • 5. Re: FM12 incorrect selection on clicking list items
                  Russ Ward Community Member
                  Russ Ward Oct 2, 2014 2:00 PM (in response to Matt Wardle)

                  I am using a Dell. And, I agree with you, it is a very serious issue. It's enough to make someone choose not to use FrameMaker. I just think that it is so obscure that investigation by Adobe is unlikely.

                  • 6. Re: FM12 incorrect selection on clicking list items
                    Matt Wardle Community Member
                    Matt Wardle Oct 9, 2014 6:46 AM (in response to Russ Ward)

                    Agreed. It's certainly not gained much attention on these forums.

                    • 7. Re: FM12 incorrect selection on clicking list items
                      Matt Wardle Community Member
                      Matt Wardle Oct 21, 2014 3:14 AM (in response to Matt Wardle)

                      In lieu of fixing this problem I have two workarounds:

                       

                      • Enable the Paragraph Formatting and Text Formatting toolbars and use the drop down menus to select the required styles.
                      • In the Paragraph and Font catalogs, choose Options>Customised List, then click Edit. Tell FM to only show the most commonly used styles.

                       

                      Sadly neither of these options are much use when it comes to the Cross Reference pod, but as I'm usually only cross referencing headings I am not running into the problem as much there.

                       

                      GW