5 Replies Latest reply on Jul 2, 2007 4:52 PM by Newsgroup_User

    layout cell starts away from the layout table...

    K9 Level 1
      I noticed this many times yesterday that if i create a layout table and then create a layout cell in ther table, I cannot get the cell to start at the edge of the table...I used to in MX but it will not allow me in CS#. How do I get the cell to start at the same place and also end at the width end of the layout table? And not have the spaces between the table and the cell? I am stumped.

      thank you.
        • 1. Re: layout cell starts away from the layout table...
          Level 7
          In my opinion, there are three serious problems with Layout Mode -

          1. Perhaps most importantly, it sits between you and *real* HTML tables,
          and fools you into believing that concepts like "layout cell" and
          "autostretch" really mean something. They do not. As long as you use
          Layout Mode, you'll never learn one of the most important things for new web
          developers - how to build solid and reliable tables.

          2. Actually, #1 wouldn't be *so* bad, except that the code that is written
          by Layout Mode is really poor code. For example, a layout table contains
          MANY empty rows of cells. This can contribute to a table's instability.
          In addition, if your initial positioning of the table's cells is a bit
          complex,
          Layout Mode will throw in col- and rowspans aplenty as it merges and splits
          cells willy-nillly to achieve the pixel-perfect layout you have specified.
          Again,
          this is an extremely poor method for building stable tables, because it
          allows
          changes in one tiny cell's shape (i.e, dimensions) to ripple through the
          rest
          of the table, usually with unexpected and sometimes disastrous consequences.
          This is one of the primary reasons for the final result's fragility - read
          this -

          http://apptools.com/rants/spans.php

          3. The UI for Layout Mode is beyond confusing - many options that you might
          want to use are inaccessible, e.g., inserting another table, or layer onto
          the page.

          I can understand the new user's desire to use this tool to make their life
          easier,
          but the cost is just too heavy in my opinion.

          To make good tables, keep it simple. Put a table on the page, and begin to
          load your content. If you would want a different table layout, instead of
          merging or splitting cells, consider stacking tables or nesting simple
          tables instead, respectively.

          And above all, do not try to build the whole page with a single table!

          To read more about this approach, visit the DW FAQ link in my sig, and run
          through the table tutorials.


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          "K9" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
          news:f6arnf$8hr$1@forums.macromedia.com...
          >I noticed this many times yesterday that if i create a layout table and
          >then
          > create a layout cell in ther table, I cannot get the cell to start at the
          > edge
          > of the table...I used to in MX but it will not allow me in CS#. How do I
          > get
          > the cell to start at the same place and also end at the width end of the
          > layout
          > table? And not have the spaces between the table and the cell? I am
          > stumped.
          >
          > thank you.
          >


          • 2. Re: layout cell starts away from the layout table...
            K9 Level 1
            Hmmmm... Ok - I will have to ponder this. I know zip of HTML and I am building a simple site for my business. It has always worked in the past without any issues.
            Thanks.
            • 3. Re: layout cell starts away from the layout table...
              Level 7

              May I suggest a book on html and css: (basic and entry level)
              http://www.sitepoint.com/books/html1/

              Also: a lot of CSS tutorials at the Adobe site.

              Lots of good tutorials also at: www.projectseven.com

              However, learning basic html would be the way to go. Regardless of whether
              it's a simple website or not, you *should* learn the basics, otherwise, you
              will have endless problems with troubleshooting any problems you encounter
              on the way.

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              "K9" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
              news:f6at58$a94$1@forums.macromedia.com...
              > Hmmmm... Ok - I will have to ponder this. I know zip of HTML and I am
              > building a simple site for my business. It has always worked in the past
              > without any issues.
              > Thanks.


              • 4. Re: layout cell starts away from the layout table...
                K9 Level 1
                the whole point of dreamweaver was WYSIWYG. and that has been very consistent up to MX for me on a decent website. If this has changed then that it rather sad. Maybe Adobe goofed up a great product when they bought out Macromedia.

                This is starting to seem like GoLive revisisted which I could not get 1 thing to work. I can at least get more happening in DWCS3.

                I guess it will be returning this and stay with my old App. or go back to MX for now - use in on the PB and maybe see if it will run on my Intel MBP...


                TOooooo Bad!!!!!!

                DW used to be the standard and the best. My sites always rendered correctly. or closely acroos numerous browsers. whcih was a good thing. Not perfect but they worked.

                I guess it is time to move on. The problem being what I moved on too I am not quite happy with either.

                Thanks anyway !
                • 5. Re: layout cell starts away from the layout table...
                  Level 7
                  I'm sorry to tell you that DW has never been WYSIWYG. Neither has anything
                  else. And the older versions that you are missing? They made some really
                  awful pages UNLESS they were used by people who understood how NOT to use
                  the design view all the time.

                  If you want to use DW, you have to be prepared to 'pony up', otherwise you
                  will be in for a long string of "I could not get 1 thing to work"
                  experiences.

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                  Adobe Community Expert
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                  "K9" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                  news:f6bvc6$kj6$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                  > the whole point of dreamweaver was WYSIWYG. and that has been very
                  > consistent
                  > up to MX for me on a decent website. If this has changed then that it
                  > rather
                  > sad. Maybe Adobe goofed up a great product when they bought out
                  > Macromedia.
                  >
                  > This is starting to seem like GoLive revisisted which I could not get 1
                  > thing
                  > to work. I can at least get more happening in DWCS3.
                  >
                  > I guess it will be returning this and stay with my old App. or go back to
                  > MX
                  > for now - use in on the PB and maybe see if it will run on my Intel MBP...
                  >
                  >
                  > TOooooo Bad!!!!!!
                  >
                  > DW used to be the standard and the best. My sites always rendered
                  > correctly.
                  > or closely acroos numerous browsers. whcih was a good thing. Not perfect
                  > but
                  > they worked.
                  >
                  > I guess it is time to move on. The problem being what I moved on too I am
                  > not
                  > quite happy with either.
                  >
                  > Thanks anyway !
                  >