4 Replies Latest reply on Nov 16, 2014 9:58 AM by Thomas Achermann

    How do I Print Accurate Color from Lightroom?

    dnestico

      I just got my Epson 3880 2 weeks ago.  The problem I am having is getting accurate color when printing from Lightroom.  I am running a p.c. with Windows 8.1.  To eliminate my monitor as the problem, I created a series of color patches in Photoshop, printed them and read them in using the X-Rite Color Munki Photo.  Here is a list of thing I have done:

       

      1) I chose Lightroom manages color, chose the appropriate icc profile in Lightroom, chose the appropriate paper in the printer dialogue box, and choose no color management in the printer dialogue box.  The results are as follows:

       

      Blue (0,0,255) prints like Black

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      Photoshop RGB

      Color Munki Reading RGB

      1

      (198,198,198)

      (192,197,197)

      2

      (255,128,255)

      (214,130,207)

      3

      (128,255,255)

      (0,196,185)

      4

      (128,128,128)

      (132,132,132)

      5

      (0,0,0)

      (17,16,14)

      6

      (0,255,255)

      (0,186,177)

      7

      (255,0,255)

      (183,78,183)

      8

      (255,255,198)

      (239,229,186)

      9

      (255,255,255)

      (236,241,241)

      10

      (255,0,0)

      (205,0,64)

      11

      (0,255,0)

      (42,179,64)

      12

      (0,0,255)

      (0,31,71)

      13

      (128,128,255)

      (89,146,218)

      14

      (128,255,128)

      (73,191,121)

      15

      (255,128,128)

      (230,102,128)

      16

      (255,255,0)

      (248,210,0)

      Printing from Lightroom – Lightroom Manages Color


       

      2) I chose Printer manages color, chose the appropriate paper in the printer dialogue box, and choose Epson - srgb in the printer dialogue box.  The results are as follows:

       

      Grays (198,198,198) and(128,128,128) prints too dark (1 - 2 stops?)

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      Photoshop RGB

      Color Munki Reading RGB

      1

      (198,198,198)

      (141,147,148)

      2

      (255,128,255)

      (228,104,194)

      3

      (128,255,255)

      (0,195,186)

      4

      (128,128,128)

      (60,64,63)

      5

      (0,0,0)

      (20,20,17)

      6

      (0,255,255)

      (0,191,186)

      7

      (255,0,255)

      (225,92,188)

      8

      (255,255,198)

      (245,232,140)

      9

      (255,255,255)

      (240,243,242)

      10

      (255,0,0)

      (214,28,50)

      11

      (0,255,0)

      (0,173,62)

      12

      (0,0,255)

      (0,96,193)

      13

      (128,128,255)

      (0,114,204)

      14

      (128,255,128)

      (0,180,80)

      15

      (255,128,128)

      (226,60,73)

      16

      (255,255,0)

      (250,215,0)

      Printing from Lightroom – Printer Manages Color

       

       

      3) I chose Printer manages color, chose the appropriate paper in the printer dialogue box, and choose Adobe in the printer dialogue box.  The results are essentially the same as 2.

       

       

      4) I opened the image in "Windows Photo Viewer", printed the image, chose the appropriate paper in the printer dialogue box, and choose Adobe in the printer dialogue box.  The results are as follows:

       

      All Colors look close (for a color munki photo I guess)

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      Photoshop RGB

      Color Munki Reading RGB

      1

      (198,198,198)

      (188,192,191)

      2

      (255,128,255)

      (238,143,209)

      3

      (128,255,255)

      (77,205,200)

      4

      (128,128,128)

      (121,126,125)

      5

      (0,0,0)

      (17,16,14)

      6

      (0,255,255)

      (0,190,186)

      7

      (255,0,255)

      (224,89,189)

      8

      (255,255,198)

      (244,239,186)

      9

      (255,255,255)

      (239,242,242)

      10

      (255,0,0)

      (214,22,41)

      11

      (0,255,0)

      (0,173,52)

      12

      (0,0,255)

      (0,96,198)

      13

      (128,128,255)

      (99,147,218)

      14

      (128,255,128)

      (82,196,118)

      15

      (255,128,128)

      (236,118,122)

      16

      (255,255,0)

      (254,215,0)

      Printing from Windows Photo Viewer – Printer Manages Color

       

      Did I miss something in the Lightroom print section?

       

      Message was edited by: David Nestico.  Rather than just posing a list of numbers, I summarized what I thought was important.  All data is there in case someone smarter than me can make more sense of it :)

        • 1. Re: How do I Print Accurate Color from Lightroom?
          ssprengel Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          How many of those colors are out-of-gamut if you SoftProof against your printer paper’s color profile?

          • 2. Re: How do I Print Accurate Color from Lightroom?
            dnestico Level 1

            Most of the colors are out of gamut.  However, I am using an Epson printer with Epson paper.  There is a great difference when Lightroom handles color with the Epson icc profile compared to when Lightroom lets the printer handle color compared to when Windows Photo Viewer lets the printer handle color.  That seems to indicate that Lightroom is sending the color information substantially differently than with the standard windows viewer sends color information.  Also, I think, the blue turning black is something other than out of gamut color ( I could be wrong).

            • 3. Re: How do I Print Accurate Color from Lightroom?
              dnestico Level 1

              I thought my problem could be Lightroom is in ProphotoRGB color space, and my printer is Adobe1998 color space.  To test this, I changed the color space of my patches from prophoto to AdobeRGB. I checked my colors in Photoshop, and made them match the RGB number I specified.  It was interesting to note that (128,128,255) had a noticeable shift to purple.  the other colors shifted slightly.  Now I printed the test page with Lightroom managing color and the printer managing color.  Both images came out similar.

               

              This study came about when I was printing some images, and the sky had a definite purple shift.  So, I took the image into Photoshop and converted the colorspace from prophoto to Adobe.  Printed the image, and the image came out much better.

               

              So the question now is, do I need to convert each image I print in Photoshop, or am I doing something wrong in Lightroom?

              • 4. Re: How do I Print Accurate Color from Lightroom?
                Thomas Achermann Level 1

                the colorspace of your image shouldn't make a difference in the print output if color management is correctly handled (at least ProPhoto vs. AdobeRGB).

                 

                You have a Colormunki...did you create the paper icc profile yourself?

                If so, did you create it with the EXACT same printer driver settings you are now printing with?

                Make sure you create a ver.2 ICC profile and NOT a ver.4 profile (you can change this in the Colormunki's software settings) as sometimes ver.4 profiles create problems.