Huh... Middle East version...
Doesn't it make sense not to be able to use left indent while you got right to left text?
I guess right indent should make more sense here.
Since you don't seem to have this option in the bullet menu, maybe you can set it from the "Indent and spacing" menu??
I don't use the ME version, so it's just a guess...
Hey, thanks for the answer, but you havn't understood me..
I'm using adobe cc 2014, the newest version. My first post here is showing that I don't have the option to make an indent, no metter if I'm using left to right or centered or rtl text...
This is an option Indesign had, and now it's gone - so this is a bug of adobe.
And the "Indent and spacing" menu you mentioned is not exsiting in indesign, unless you can tell me the way to get there (I checked every where...)
I suppose that this has nothing to do with preferences, it is more a shortcoming of InDesign, maybe a bug, that the field remain intent left, it should be more flexible and change to intent left or right, depending to the language, or offer both and greyed out the not accurate field.
What you are missing here, and will see if you look carefully at the screen shots, is that the left indent value is not selectable because it is grayed out. That has nothing to do with the value in the first line indent or any other field in the dialog.
When you did start first with bullets, you can't set right intent any more, you have to deactivate bullets and numbers first, then apply the right intent and then, you can add correctly bullets and numbers again.
If a RTL property paragraph style is selected, there should be instead of the LEFT intend field a RIGHT intend field on its place, or better, both fields should be visible all the time, with LTR the Left intent field should be active, with RTL text the right intent field should be active. But as it is now, it is a bug.
It is also so, if you start with bullets and numbers and activate it in the paragraph style you are not able to change the right intent in any other field, related to such a paragraph or its style.
This may be something unique to the ME versions, but I will say categorically that in my US English versions of ID the indent fields are never deactivated. I would agree that it's quite odd that text set RTL should have a left indent field in the Bullets and Numbering dialog, which I think bolsters the argument that this is a problem of corrupt preferences.
Keep in mind that the paragraph indents can be set in two places. The general paragraph indent settings are in the Indents and Spacing section of the style definition dialog, and the indent setting available on the bullets and numbering section should only have options for indents on the side of the paragraph where the bullet or number is positioned to allow for hanging indents in lists.
If you have RTL capabilities depends on the plugins you have installed. I have installed the German, Spanish, English (International), English (US), English with Hebrew Support, English with Arabic Support and Italien languages of InDesign installed. Specially the ME versions are adding plugins which enables the UI for additional functionalities. InDesign starts always with the primary language of the OS if this language is installed, here it is German, even if I have other languages installed.
So it is not an issue of ME version. I thing here is a shortcoming in this style set up dialog. But the other thing, that I can't change the right intent in the other sections when bullets and numbers are activated is definitively a bug. The problem is not solved by deleting preferences.
I agree that it should be this way, but it is not:
- In the bullet and numbering section is always the LTR version
- If the bullets and numbering is activated and the text is set to RTL, the general indent settings are not editable any more.
As I said, I can't comment on the ME version, but if it does not behave by changing the left indent to right indent in the list section, and if you can no longer adjust indents under indents and spacing section once bullets have been assigned, this is a serious bug and I'm actually quite surprised we haven't seen hundreds of reports here.
Did you file a bug report on this?
I don't have time to go into this thread in detail, but the ME version
works fine, just like the non-ME version. You can always set indents and
spacing, whether or not bullets are applied.
thank you all for helping!!
Willi your answer just solved my problam.
I think it's a bug also. I work with indesign for more then 5 years and I know what this program is capable to achive.
I'm not seeing any difference between CS6 and CC2014.1
It's true that in the paragraph style dialog, when bullets is on for a
RTL paragraph, it would make more sense for the indent to be showing as
right in the Bullets and Numbering section.
But really, in my opinion, it is extremely confusing to have two places
to set the paragraph indent from. I think most people presume that these
are two different settings, and it makes setting bullets seem more
difficult that it is. I would remove the right-indent setting from the
Bullets section for all versions of InDesign.
In any case, it's always been like this. You set the right indent in the
Indents and Spacing section and that's it.
@Willi: I'm not having any difficulty setting all indents and spacing in
the para style dialog, even when bullets are on. Is this a problem with
your setup, perhaps?
It is often so, that you have several places to edit the same value, why not.
The other thing happens, when you change the intents from an existing paragraph style, something may block it.