8 Replies Latest reply on Jul 5, 2016 1:27 PM by Ann Bens

    4K success in PrE 13

    whsprague Level 4

      PrE is one of the cheap video editors aimed at amateurs.  The 4K video format is new and there are only a few cameras or camcorders amateurs would buy that can create 4K clips.  Among them are the Hero 4, Panasonic FZ1000, Sony AX100, a Samsung smartphone, a Samsung tablet and the Panasonic LX100.  Disregarding the phones, tablets and GoPro, the LX100 is the lowest price entry point.  Out since October, it is getting rave reviews for being compact, having a fast Leica Lens and a M4/3 sensor.  Rumors are that there will be a lot more at the Consumer Electronics Show in January. 

       

      Adobe's competitors in the cheap NLE market are Sony, Cyberlink and Corel who brag about 4K capability in their marketing and specifications.  Nowhere, that I could find, in Adobe's marketing for PrE 13 was there any mention of 4K. 

       

      Why shoot in 4K when so few have 4K viewing capability?  The bit rate is a lot higher.  The theory is, that since the 4K files are three or four times larger than the HD 1080p60 files we are used, we should have more "Photoshop like" creative editing opportunities.  Results from color, exposure correction, cropping and shake control should be better.  The 1080p output we create for our HD TVs, can be better if our original clips have more data.

       

      My dear wife surprised me with a Panasonic LX100 for Christmas so I could scratch the 4K itch.  Would PrE 13 stand up to the job?  Or, would I have to learn how to use Sony's Home Studio?  When I started with PrE, it was version 9 and I had one of the first AVCHD camcorders.  It was not until PrE11 that Adobe fully caught up with AVCHD.  Would 4K be a better experience? 

       

      Yesterday I took my new camera to the Oregon beach and shot a bunch of clips.  Last night I put them on my computer using Lightroom.  I don't use Organizer.  I used Lightroom to get rid of the duds.  From Lightroom, I exported clip copies to a PrE13 project folder.  I was delighted they all showed up when I Added Media.  I dropped them all to the timeline and trimmed them by grabbing the edges.  I intentionally did not make adjustments, transitions, titles or do any color grading so I could test the "workflow". 

       

      I'm delighted!  It worked without flaw.  An appropriate 4K project preset was automatically selected, the preview window was smooth without jitter.  There are 4K output presets under XAVC-S, below AVCHD in Publish & Share > Computer.  The larger files were slower to render, but not so slow to be a show stopper.

       

      The two and a half minute result is here:  https://vimeo.com/115617380

       

      Obviously, the performance of any NLE is computer related.  I have an i7 laptop with lots of memory and a fast HDD.  If you want to "test" 4K clips in your system, I can put up some that are straight out of my camera. 

       

      Bill

        • 1. Re: 4K success in PrE 13
          whsprague Level 4

          Somehow I thought there would be at least a little interest in 4K.  But, apparently not!

          • 2. Re: 4K success in PrE 13
            big sandy lake Level 1

            Hi Bill. Always interested and happy to hear 13 works with 4K! I am one generation behind with the Pany G6 but veryhappy with it's results. My next project is to rebuild the computer to faster and deeper specs ( almost there )  ) also interested in going to lightroom as the organizer. Any advice there? I am still at ver 11 with elements but don't see a need to upgrade yet unless of course I upgrade to the G4. I'll start saving now.

             

            Tom

            • 3. Re: 4K success in PrE 13
              anitas92077974

              Hi Bill, I am very surprised that PrE13 can handle 4K clips. My Pr14E environment can definitely not.

              I have the Lumix FZ1000 and a lot of 4K footage, recently shot on my vacations.  I contacted the service chat and the guy there told me, that my camera is not supported by PrE 14 ! - see my question in this forum.

               

              Did you install additional video codecs?

               

              I really can´t believe that there is no way to make it work! Windows Media Player ist working after codec update.

               

              I would be happy to hear any recommandation....

               

              Anita

              • 4. Re: 4K success in PrE 13
                whsprague Level 4

                anitas92077974 wrote:

                 

                Hi Bill, I am very surprised that PrE13 can handle 4K clips. My Pr14E environment can definitely not.

                I have the Lumix FZ1000 and a lot of 4K footage, recently shot on my vacations. I contacted the service chat and the guy there told me, that my camera is not supported by PrE 14 ! - see my question in this forum.

                 

                Did you install additional video codecs?

                 

                I really can´t believe that there is no way to make it work! Windows Media Player ist working after codec update.

                 

                I would be happy to hear any recommandation....

                 

                Anita

                The procedure for PrE14 should be the same as PrE13.  The Panasonic 4K clips are nearly generic MP4 files with more megapixels, so they work fine. 

                 

                No additional codecs are needed.   There was once a marketing brochure for 14 that listed a couple of compatible cameras.  If the chat guy was referring to that, he was unfortunately provided with incomplete information.

                 

                Start a new project.  Do NOT try to establish project settings.  For input, use the Add Media process to get your clips registered in the project.  Pick one primary 4K clip and slide it to the timeline.  PrE will then automatically establish the project settings.  Add more clips and work the editing process as normal.

                 

                For output, pick the Computer > XAVC-S selection. 

                 

                If that is not working for you, something is wrong with your personal procedures or installation.

                 

                Bill

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                • 5. Re: 4K success in PrE 13
                  anitas92077974 Level 1

                  Thank you a lot for your answer, Bill.

                   

                  I followed your recommended workflow. 4K clip was imported properly, project settings automatically set to 3840 x 2160.

                  BUT: the video part of the clip is played stuttering, audio is fine. timeline shows synchronous data.

                   

                  Rendering: ok

                  Output 4K - XAVC-S: was done ok.

                   

                  Output played with Windows media player: FINE,  No stuttering, Audio + Video synchronous

                  Output played with Quicktime Player 7.7.9 :  same stuttering effect  as in PrE 14.

                   

                  PrE14 is using Quicktime, right? Do I need any updates? Codecs?

                   

                  Output with settings HD 1080 (1920x1080) is doing fine. But that was not exactly the sense of it :-)

                   

                  Thank you again, best regards,

                  Anita

                  • 6. Re: 4K success in PrE 13
                    whsprague Level 4

                    There are no updates in software or codecs for this. 

                     

                    Your description suggests that the PrE is doing what it is supposed to, except for the "realtime" previews during editing.  That is normally a sign that the computer is not powerful enough for 4K editing.   

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                    • 7. Re: 4K success in PrE 13
                      anitas92077974 Level 1

                      Ok, thank you,

                      I am thinking of an upgrade...!

                      Best regards, Anita

                      • 8. Re: 4K success in PrE 13
                        Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        They are all static shots, would be nice to see how Elements handles the panning shots.