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    Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?

    rsavoie1 Level 1

      Does Adobe Premier Pro (latest CC version) support XAVC-S Codec? If not, what software can I use to make it compatible?

        • 1. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
          R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          Gee, did a quick google of this ... and whaddya know, over on the Sony site they've a nice long pdf on XAVC format, nature, using in-camera, and with various NLE's.

           

          https://www.sony.ru/res/attachment/file/62/1237492960962.pdf

           

           

          From page 25 of that pdf ... well, you can find it now and read it yourself I think ...

           

          Neil

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          • 3. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
            R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            Did you actually read the resource? The heading of that particular page is ...

             

            "XAVC 4K/HD and XAVC-S with ADOBE"

             

            That would seem to be inclusive of your footage?

             

            Neil

            • 4. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
              Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              I think the answer is yes.

              Can you upload a short clip for testing?

              • 5. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                rsavoie1 Level 1

                I don't have any footage for testing. I ordered the Sony AX1 today. From the resource R Neil Haugen provided it looks like Adobe may support it natively.

                • 6. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                  max0517 Level 1

                  Or if you don't mind to try some converters , then reload them into your premiere?

                  • 7. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                    Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    Converters means generation loss.

                    What is the point of having a NLE that works native...

                    • 8. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                      calagari Level 1

                      Yes, XAVC-S does work with the latest version of Premiere Pro.

                      I use a Sony AX-100 and an RX-10, and all the footage imports just fine.

                      • 9. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                        max0517 Level 1

                        even some nles say they support the foramt like xavc/xavc s natively, still during the loading progress, some unknow prolbmes happen.... For me , of course, I don't like convert my HD videos , buecause the quality loss (even you can't tell from your eyes) but if you have been driven crasy by this problem, then you may like to have a try....

                        • 10. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                          mara34 Level 1

                          I have a Sony AX- 100. I record in XAVC-S 4 K and a low resolution file. This because I can import 4K in Premiere but my computer is too slow show it real time. I edit the low resolution film 1280 x 720 on in a sequence of 1920 x 1080 and adapt all the files to the resolution of the timeline ( all Pal NTSC my be a little different) and when I am satified I simple change all the files for the high resolution one( by changing the name of the directory ) and export my movie for blue ray.

                          It would be nice if you could export it to Pro res for the Cinema but at my studio I cannot see 4 K in full resolution so it has no use ( yet).

                          I use a PC with Window 8.1 and Premiere Pro CS6

                          • 11. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                            mara34 Level 1

                            O yes the 4K footage is 3840 x 2160

                            • 12. Re: Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                              Portpass1974 Level 1

                              Hi Calagari.  Can I ask what specific sequence you use for that, and what is the bitrate of the footage you use?  And by any chance, do you if it's possible to use XAVC-S footage with AVCHD footage both on the same timeline?  Thanks.

                              • 13. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                calagari Level 1

                                Hi Portpass1974,

                                When I'm editing 4K I use the New Sequence from Clip command, then Premiere creates a Red Cinema timeline sized to 3840x2160.

                                That footage is 60 Mbps.

                                When using XAVC S HD at 1080p, that footage is 50 Mbps, which I use in an AVCHD sequence. And yes, AVCHD and XAVC S work together just fine on the same timeline.

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                                • 14. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                  Portpass1974 Level 1

                                  Hi Calagari.  Thanks so much for your reponse.  I only asked since I'm thinking of buying the Sony a7II, which films at 50 Mbps, of course.  For output, I assume I can output that timeline in Media Encoder at, for example, 1080p and 16 mbps MP4 for YouTube or Vimeo?  Also, I assume that 50 Mbps video takes longer to render than 24 Mbps?  Thanks again.

                                  • 15. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                    calagari Level 1

                                    Yes, you certainly can export a 1080p MP4 file in Media Encoder for YouTube. And it does take a little longer to export 50 Mbps sequences, but not by too much. Cheers!

                                    • 16. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                      Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                      Hi RS,

                                      Does Adobe Premier Pro (latest CC version) support XAVC-S Codec? If not, what software can I use to make it compatible?

                                       

                                      Yes, support for XAVC-S was added in Premiere Pro CC.1 (7.1).

                                       

                                      Thanks,

                                      Kevin

                                      • 17. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                        upsidedownjim2 Level 1

                                        Can XAVC-S be transcoded from Premiere Pro CC.1(7.1) to another finishing format like ProRes 422 or Avid DNxHD? Can Media Encoder do this? Thanks! This codec is a pain.

                                        • 18. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                          R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                          If PrPro can edit a codec, it can normally transcode from it to something else. As Kevin notes that PrPro can as of that "ish" edit it, it will also be able to transcode also.

                                           

                                          Neil

                                          • 19. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                            Louis Lumiere Level 1

                                            I've been able to play and transcode XAVC-S 1080p files without a problem in Premiere 6.0.

                                            • 20. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                              sriramk11322947 Level 1

                                              How to install  xavc-s codec in premiere pro 2015. where  to download

                                              • 22. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                sriramk11322947 Level 1

                                                I cant see any codec in the name of xavc-s

                                                • 23. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                  R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                  There are a ton of XAVC codec options, within XAVC-HD and XAVC-QFHD. I don't see an XAVC-S listed, in that you are correct. These are export options, of course ... you don't need to have XAVC-S  as an export option to be able to process in it ... similar to those of us on Windows systems, who can process ProRes files within PrPro et al, but can't export to that codec without buying a spendy license pack ... so we utilize DNxHD/HR.

                                                   

                                                  Neil

                                                  • 24. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                    anthonyg26471884 Level 1

                                                    Hi Calagari,

                                                    does your answer means that if I want to import my XAVC-S HD video from my RX-10 I won't have any quality loss if I use the AVCHD mode when creating the new sequence?

                                                    Thanks !

                                                    • 25. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                      anthonyg26471884 Level 1

                                                      Hi Kevin,

                                                      I have a question : when we use XAVC-S files, which one is the good editing mode to chose among the proposed modes?

                                                       

                                                      I assume that one of these format is better for XAVC-S

                                                      Thanks a lot!

                                                      • 26. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                        BJBBJB1 Level 1

                                                        Greetings.  I believe my question is still on the same subject as this thread so hopefully it is okay to add to this.  That PDF is very helpful but have another question!  I am on the latest version of CC for AME and Pr Pro.

                                                         

                                                        I recently have purchased a Sony camcorder and will be recording 4K 3840X2160 30P XAVC-S at 60Mbps but also have the need for HD and even lower resolution versions. I would keep the 4K version as my "original" for the future.

                                                         

                                                        I just want to make sure I am interpreting all of the above correctly.    If I use the XAVC-S file as my AME source, I can export to any 1080P encoded format I prefer.   So it will natively recognize it and transcode it.   Having never transcoded from 4K to HD before, do I need to be mindful of any frame-rate issues or any other settings?  Any recommendations on an export preset that would play nice with this footage?  I would just like to transcode to maybe H.264 1920X1080 or MP4 etc. so my HD streamer can display it.

                                                         

                                                        In my HD workflow I am extremely careful to make sure I always match the original format, frame rate, etc. etc.....just not sure how all that translates to 4K.

                                                         

                                                        Currently the only way I can play my 4K video on a TV is to attach the camcorder to it but I presume that will change over time.

                                                         

                                                        Thanks,

                                                        BJBBJB1

                                                        • 27. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                          R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                          It's normally easier to keep quality up & artifacts/oddness down by staying with the same frame-rate, and if your streamer can handle it, why change?

                                                           

                                                          So ... yeah, test out a couple of the H.264 presets, perhaps the YouTube 1080pHD one, and I'm wondering if your streamer can handle mxf files? If it does, perhaps trying say the MXF OP1a format with the AVC Intra Class 100 1080/60p preset.

                                                           

                                                          Of course, there's the wide range of DNxHD/R presets on the Windows side of things (also in mxf, though soon to come in mp4 wrapper I think) or the ProRes on the Mac side of the aisle.

                                                           

                                                          I'd suggest testing exports of the same short clip in several presets ... and see which ones work or fail, and of the ones that work, which looks better.

                                                           

                                                          Neil

                                                          • 28. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                            gs93392243 Level 1

                                                            I am experiencing some issues with Premiere Pro CC 2015.3 and Sony XAVC S video files.

                                                             

                                                            I own a sony a6300 and recording 4k files. The camera outputs XAVX S format which is imported in Premiere just fine and can be authored without glitches. However the problems start when I reencode and export to mp4 H265. I am exporting in HEVC (H.265) keeping the resolution (3840, 2160) and fps (23.976). I am only tweaking the bitrate since the camera generates astronomical bitrates (100 or 60mbps) for my storage capacity . I set it up as VBR and 15mbps.

                                                             

                                                            The resulting file for luck of a better word suckkkss in quality. the blacks are washed out and its nothing that I wanna keep. It seems that the output file does not match the source bit per color. I am thinking from my research it could be that its not using full range RGB. Problem is that I do not see anything in premiere that I can tweak either in the timeline or the encoder where I can specify full range or 8 bits or 10 bits. Am I missing a crucial setting here ?

                                                             

                                                            Your help is appreciated. Is there maybe a "special" workflow that I need to adopt when working with XAVC-S 4k files? Maybe convert to yet another format as an intermediate step and then convert to H265 using another app? when I attempted to convert the original files using handbrake and output to 4k and 15mbps vbr the file looked great and identical in color to original.

                                                             

                                                            Regards

                                                            • 29. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                              R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                              PrPro simply uses 0-255 unless there is a specific part of a codec's internal settings that is otherwise. But what you're reporting sounds like some sort of shift ... out of curiousity, are you using any Lumetri, especially any LUTs on these files?

                                                               

                                                              And ... when imported back into PrPro, does the washed-out look still appear, or is it only in other viewers?

                                                               

                                                              Neil

                                                              • 30. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                                gs93392243 Level 1

                                                                Interesting..... i did not use any color correction in Lumetri or LUTs. Just doing edits only and outputing the final clip.

                                                                 

                                                                you have a point though, when I imported the clip back in PrPro it looks ok. It just other players that cannot reproduce the video right. For example the native player in windows 10 and also VLC. Is there something missing in the h265 video?

                                                                 

                                                                -G

                                                                • 31. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                                  R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                  I'm wondering how your graphics is setup on that computer. I have a PC with an Nvidia 970, and the Nvidia graphics setup app has an option for controlling video player settings as to whether to allow the video player to control things, or the Nvidia settings. I've set that for Nvidia control, and the Dynamic range for 0-255.

                                                                  Some video players do odd things ... there's possibilities of 16-235 or 16-255 which date from the analog-to-tape days and should be dumped now as they don't have any reason to even exist in our modern digital world ... except for a few broadcast companies that still use the old ways ...

                                                                   

                                                                  Neil

                                                                  • 32. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                                    gs93392243 Level 1

                                                                    I have a gtx 1050 will check the settings. I got to test it though on media players like, plex, kodi, on h265 compatible devices like firetv, samsung tv etc. That's where i play most of my videos. If those choke too i am still in the same spot unfortunately.

                                                                     

                                                                    Do you know if there is a value in the h265 stream or in the container? Is there something that i could possibly change myself in either and make the file more "compatible"? I was wondering if an mkv container would get me more mileage, cause i would like to avoid another lossy encoding through another app.

                                                                     

                                                                    Regards

                                                                    -G

                                                                    • 33. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                                      R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                      For all the buzz initially about H.265, I'm not seeing that much application of that standard even though it's nearing two years "out". Which tells me that not a lot of people are finding it that useful, or given the compression available in it, I'd think it would have taken over. Both here and in other places, except for some pros using it within heavy software & gear workflows (with special programs & hardware handling such things) I'm seeing mostly questions on how to make it usable.

                                                                       

                                                                      For now, a couple of the better ones creating H.265 seem to be Handbrake & I think FFMPEG. Which is intriguing. I've seen some people say they've had good results out of Resolve, and read a couple others say they didn't. I've tested it initially, but it doesn't offer anything I really need so I've not adopted it personally.

                                                                       

                                                                      If you export in H.264, are you getting what you expect?

                                                                       

                                                                      Neil

                                                                      • 34. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                                        gs93392243 Level 1

                                                                        Oh yeah. It hasn't spread like a wildfire for sure. You need a device that has hardware acceleration for h265, a 4k tv and most importantly content. Content nowhere to be found, direct tv has what one channel? Yikes. Amazon and Netflix has some good stuff. Hopefully with the recent price drops this past black friday more 4k tv sets will find their way into households.

                                                                         

                                                                        I use it for personal videos. Jumped on the 4k wagon for a newborn.  But i see its a mission to do get something 'right'. Things still mature.

                                                                         

                                                                        Will have to test the h264 color space.

                                                                         

                                                                        I believe though in h265 cause those 4k camera files are huuuuuuge. H265 produces impressive quality for the size on 4k.

                                                                        • 35. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                                          gs93392243 Level 1

                                                                          Unfortunately I wasn't that lucky with my tests. The files were not playing nice on players. My reference player for 4k h265 is currently plex on tizen (samsung tv). This version of plex supports natively 4k and h265 since I have tested with downloaded content.

                                                                           

                                                                          My files from PrPro play with washed out blacks. Same footage reencoded with handbrake play with correct color space (correct black level). I even tried to change the black level from TV menu but this grayed was out in TV application mode.

                                                                           

                                                                          I guess possible solution is to figure out:

                                                                           

                                                                          a) encode my original camera files to a format native to PrPro.

                                                                              Complete my edit and export in H265

                                                                           

                                                                          b) Edit in PrPro with my original files and

                                                                              export in intermediate file format.

                                                                              Then take those and encode using handbrake.

                                                                           

                                                                          Any recommendation would be really appreciated.

                                                                           

                                                                          Also tried something along the lines of b). I attempted to encode in XAVC-S from PrPro using the selection "MXF OP1a" but this was crashing the media encoder in the middle of the clip

                                                                          • 36. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                                            R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                            This reminds me of another post here a week or two back, with an issue in a Qt codec, I think. The conclusion seemed to be that PrPro seems totally intent on a straight 0-255 "world", and doesn't bother to utilize file headers to denote which 'space' is used in the clip. As that marker isn't in the clips produced by PrPro, some video players make an assumption based on what they expect is 'native' to certain codecs ... an unfortunate one, in this case.

                                                                             

                                                                            So ... I think you'll need to export a full file out in say DNxHD/R, then take that into Handbrake, and export an H.265 with that "marker" properly embedded in the clip. Sadly, I'm not a codec expert and familiar with the tech details of PrPro's export process.

                                                                             

                                                                            Unless TrentHappel perhaps has another suggestion ... ?

                                                                             

                                                                            Neil

                                                                            • 37. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                                              gs93392243 Level 1

                                                                              Hi Neil, did a few more tests based on your recommendations.

                                                                               

                                                                              1) Re-encode using h264. This went fine and I was able to transcode original camera files to h264 and the color space was identical to original. This proves that there is something going on with the h265 codec and not the workflow or sequence.

                                                                               

                                                                              2) Encoded using DNxHD/R. Tried a few permutations of the Avid format and it completed fine. However the files were not readable by handbrake and I was not able to transcode to h265. Thats a handbrake issue, I'm not sure they support those files currently. Maybe another codec but I was not able to find in this short time.

                                                                               

                                                                              It seems impossible to create acceptable h265 files currently with PrePro. Some work needs to be done for sure still. The 2 artifacts that I identified so far:

                                                                               

                                                                              1) h265 codec creates files in the wrong color space or flags the file incorrectly. This shows both in windows and hardware media players

                                                                               

                                                                              2) Encoding in an intermediate file such as XAVC QFHD Intra Class 300 (MXF OP1a) crashes media encoder mid way. This would have helped me cause the XAVC file is readable by handbrake and transcoding to h265 would be simple.

                                                                               

                                                                              Hopefully those 2 will end up in the artifact tracker and addressed in a later revision.Is Adobe using a public JIRA for such reports?

                                                                              • 38. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                                                R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                                Not sure what a "JIRA" is ... as far as say a bug/feature-requests form, that would be here ...

                                                                                 

                                                                                https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

                                                                                 

                                                                                You might also try the Quicktime 'format' using the GoPro Cineform YUV 10-bit (gets the mov wrapper), or the DNxHD/R option there, found in the lower box as shown ...

                                                                                Those I think would work in Handbrake ...

                                                                                 

                                                                                Neil

                                                                                • 39. Re: Does adobe Premier Pro support XAVC-S Codec?
                                                                                  gs93392243 Level 1

                                                                                  Thank you sir!  Will try them out.

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