@Rebecca – what version of InDesign? What OS?
Export the group to InDesign Snippet's format IDMS.
Place the snippet in a brand new document.
Now: Try to ungroup the placed group.
1. Select the group
2. Go to the Layers panel
3. Identify the selected group by opening the little triangle directly in front of the layer name your group is in
4. Also open the little triangle of the group object, so that you can see its components in tree-view
5. Drag one of its components (a text frame, a rectangle, whatever it is) out of the group
Will InDesign crash?
If no, procede to the point, that at least TWO items are left.
Save your document to a new name.
Then drag out one of the two left overs…
The group should vanish in the moment you dragged out one of the two items.
(Or it would crash your document; in this case rebuild the item from scratch)
This is happening to me to!
Details? OS version? InDesign version? Are 3rd party plug-ins installed?
Did you try what I was suggesting in Rebecca's case?
(Unfortunately she did not answer yet.)
I followed your steps with a group of three items: dragged one out the group, saved under other name, dragged out second item.
Went oke here: the group in the layers panel disappears of course as there is no longer a group as soon as you drag the second item out leaving only one, and one is no group, but no crash here...
Mac OS X 10.10.3
Every time i tried to 'Ungroup' something it just crash.(like for 3 -4 times. ) It was okay yesterday.
Indesign 2015 CC
System iOS EI Captian Version 10.11.2
Same here, just started this morning. I trashed my preferences but no luck.
indesign 126.96.36.199 / mac pro 2013 / 10.10.2 yosemite
i dont have any 3rd party plugins installed
Try running InDesign from a new user (System Preferences > Users & Groups). Run it before any other application. If it works there, there is either corruption or a conflicting application in your regular user.
I've been having the same issues and none of the above suggestions have worked. I've tried the keyboard shortcut, I've tried the Object, Ungroup option, I've tried pulling the group out of the layer group, I've tried saving to a new document, I've tried using a different user, I've even tried uninstalling InDesign and reinstalling it and every single flipping time, InDesign crashes. I've sent reports to Adobe and am really disappointed that I have hear absolutely NOTHING in response. If anyone has any work-arounds that have worked, I'd sure like to know what fixed it because I'm beyond annoyed and ticked that this is an obvious issue but no fix! I'm looking at HOURS of rework as this is a recent issue for me.
What version of InDesign? What operating system?
I'm running the latest update of InDesign CC and the latest iOS on a MacBook Pro.
I don’t want to sound insulting but I wish I had a dime for every time we’ve been told someone had the latest version.
Please give us the specific version and build of InDesign and the full release version of OSX.
Well, not to sound insulting, but I clicked on "Update" when Creative Cloud swooped across my screen last night saying "Update Available", just like I do every time that comes up. Since you asked nicely, according to InDesign under "About InDesign" it says 2015.2 and my OS is El Capitan 10.11.3 running on a 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5 processor with an Intel HD Graphics 4000 1536 MB card. I have manually checked for updates for my laptop and there are none available.
- Open your layer panel F7
- In the panel menu uncheck (or check if unchecked) “Paste Remember Layers”
- Try, if it has solved the problem.
Thanks, Willie, that seems to have actually worked! It was turned on, so I turned it off and it ungrouped perfectly! I even turned it back on and it still ungrouped.
Thank you for the link, Bob. I'm going to read over the instructions now.
do you see a direct correlation between the feature "Paste Remembers Layers" and the crash?
Maybe from a crash report?
And would maybe OSX El Capitan play a role in this as well?
Note: In its first incarnation "Paste Remembers Layers" had a bug—not related to a crash—that was fixed later.
But as you see, it is solved. I personally had never a crash with it, but I supported people with that problem, caused by the fact that objects from other InDesign versions, inherited from older versions or from copy and past with a different layer order as it is in the current document will cause a problem.
I don't think that El Capitan is a cause for it, as it was encountered also on Windows.
I didn't doubt, that there could be a correlation.
So thank you for the details. Maybe we can describe a distinct scenario where the bug is evident and report it well documented to the developers.
You mentioned the order of layers. Usually that shouldn't be a cause for a crash. Just a cause for a warning message maybe. Personally I do not use "Paste Remembers Layers", but a script from Gerald Singelmann (updated by me to switch off Adobe's own feature) for nearly the same functionality. I will do some tests and look into this issue again…
This is why I wanted to make sure of the version.
InDesign remembers the names of the layers, not the order. Copy and Paste remember layers will reorder the objects if not all layers are present or in a different order.
The same happens with ungroup. Conflicts can happen, if
- the group was copied from a different document with different layer orders or names
- the group was created and after that a layer was renamed or deleted or deleted and newly recreated as the internal layer ID might be different
I tested a bit and yes, I see the limitations and some logical problems* with using "Paste Remembers Layers", but I still cannot find a way to crash InDesign CC 2015.2 on OSX 10.9.3 by ungrouping groups when "Paste Remembers Layers" is ON or OFF.
One of the logical problems is, that when you add a new layer, remove an old layer and rename that new layer to the name of the removed layer, the feature will not place the object to that layer after ungrouping. So implicitly InDesign's "Paste Remembers Layers" will also work on layer IDs. Not in other cases where you copy/paste from one document to another where the layers with the right names are there and you ungroup. IDs cannot travel from one document to another. Every document will inherit its own IDs.
The script by Gerald Singelmann will work in such situations, because it is based purely on layer name attributes, that stick with the objects, but not on layer IDs. Using layer IDs could be ok, I think, if the IDs would be unique over different documents, but they are not and new layers are never created, if a group is ungrouped.
I'll stick with Gerald's script, because for me it's more predictable where the objects will be positioned after ungrouping…