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This only happens with "new" files, and when you open a legacy file in a new version of InDesign it is considered "new" until saved in the new version format (note the [converted] appended automaticvally to the file name to prevent you from accidentally overwriting the original.)
Thank you P Spier for the quick reply and my apologies for my slow follow-up. I understand your explanation of new vs. legacy but my InDesign files don't save with the [converted] appendage automatically. Is that some type of preference setting?
No, that should be automatic (though you can delete it when you save). Are you doing a regular Save, or Save AS?
As far as I can remember, working on Macs since '95– 'save as' ALWAYS took the original file back to its native folder. I just opened an AI file from '08– 'save as' takes me back to its native folder. Using Quark, Freehand, Word all did the same without the need for any third party app.
InDesign CC - no "Save As to Original Folder" as far as I can see.
InDesign doesn't know the original folder when you convert, because the converted file is "new," in the same way that a file made from a template is new, not the original template. This only happens on the first save as, after that the file no longer needs conversion so it will always default to the saved location.
Yes I know after so called "conversion" it defaults to it's saved location. It's still annoying!!
Why does a new version of InDesign treat or "convert" an old file as new?? Illustrator and Photoshop doesn't do this. Hardly anything does. Muse does but even that 'saves as' to the file's original folder - not last folder used.
As CC members, we are encouraged to update every time one comes along, which is quite regular.
'Save As' using the last folder used is an InDesign quirk I could do without.
InDesign is a complex database and each version changes the structure. When the program was designed there was no backward save capability AT ALL, so it was important that new files not automatically overwrite old ones in case they had to be shared with someone not yet on the same version. A design decision was made to treat converted files the same as being new, and new files have no folder in which they've been saved.
Obviously this doesn't please a segment of the user base, but when you have to make an either/or decision you cannot please everyone. Adobe has a history of making these types of decisions by consulting with pre-release users and large volume (enterprise license) customers who provide the bulk of the revenue for product licensing. Unfortunately, money has a big influence.
Feel free to file a feature request at Feature Request/Bug Report Form, but until the next time they have to completely re-write the code, as they just did for CC, I wouldn't expect a change, and probably not then, either, since this has been a bone of contention for years already.
I'd already put in a feature request.
When 'saving as', and only the most recent folders are in the drop-down menu, you have to then trawl through your drive to find the desired location. When you're busy you don't need this.
As I said, even though a new version of Muse 'converts' a file, it will at least take you back to the file's original folder. I cannot see why InDesign can't do the same, complex database or not. If it has been a bone of contention for years already, then they should do something about it with one hand, whilst taking our cash with the other.
You seem to sympathise with Adobe and not the everyday "user base" i.e. customer like me. Yes, it's obviously about money, Adobe want to get us on their cash-generating treadmill and keep us there, otherwise we get left behind with outdated software and files we can no longer open. Just like when they bought Freehand (missed by many) simply so they could ditch it and force us to buy Illustrator.
Actually, I sympathize with you, not Adobe. I'm a user, too, and I have the same complaints, but I understand the reality. Big companies make decisions based on money and where it is most "cost effective" to allocate the programmers' time. The amount of time you've spent here today would probably be equal to the time it would take to just deal with the problem, and you're going to have to do that anyway.
And I'm among those who absolutely hate the subscription model.
None of us are sympathizing with anyone. We’re stating facts. This behavior has existed since 2000 with version 1.5. Would I like to see it changed? I can give you a resounding yes to that. But I’m not counting on it any time soon. Would you rather we told you it was coming in the few weeks?
And they didn’t buy Freehand to ditch it and make you use Illustrator. They bought Aldus for a little program they had in development at the time. It didn’t have a name yet but Adobe, when they released it settled on calling it InDesign. Freehand went to Macromedia.
After that merger, there were as many Adobe apps that were killed as there were Macromedia apps.
Finally, I don’t know about you, but I’m in business to make money. You can blast Adobe for any number of things, but wanting to be a highly profitable corporation is not one of them.
Since you're on the Macintosh, you'll really make your life easier, if you invest in the Default Folder X application which I mention higher up in the thread. It's relatively inexpensive, and lets you totally control a selection of folders where you can easily work with.
It's a lot easier than complaining that a feature which hasn't been changed in InDesign in 15 years will be changed tomorrow.
+1 for Default Folder X.
I got it as part of a Mac Heist bundle a while back. Works great.
And...Default Folder will work in all your Mac applications, not just InDesign.
Why does a new version of InDesign treat or "convert" an old file as new?? Illustrator and Photoshop doesn't do this.
InDesign has never been backward compatible with older versions, so Adobe forces you to acknowledge that by converting the file and forcing you to override the old file or save with a new name—once you save a CC2014 file it can't be opened with CS6.
So you might be very confident that you will never need to go back to an earlier version and don't want to deal with the Save dialog the first time you save a file from an older version. I that case you can script an override to the save dialog when you save a converted InDesign document. I use this AppleScript and assign it Command-S, so both regular and converted files get a normal save with no dialog.
--Saves converted with no dialog and overwrites the original
tell application "Adobe InDesign CC 2014"
tell active document
--get the file's path and name
set filepath to file path & name as string
--if it has been converted save to the same path with no dialog, otherwise save
if converted is true then
save to filepath