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    Adobe Newsgroups?

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      Hi Guys -

      Does Adobe have newsgroups similar to this?

      I'm looking for Photoshop and Illustrator forums, but accessible with a
      newsreader.

      Thanks.
      Phil


        • 1. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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          news://adobeforums.com


          • 2. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
            Level 7
            Perfect. Thanks.


            "Alan Smithee Jr." <A_Smithee_J@no.email> wrote in message
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            > news://adobeforums.com
            >


            • 3. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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              In article <e3iqo7$h1o$1@forums.macromedia.com>,
              "Alan Smithee Jr." <A_Smithee_J@no.email> wrote:

              > news://adobeforums.com

              Tried that and my reader threw up. Tried forums.adobeforums.com too and
              that didn't work. I seem to recall from long ago you first had to
              register at their site but can't remember if it was their online forums.
              • 4. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                Level 7
                Which newsreader?

                news://adobeforums.com works fine for me in OE6 on Win XP Pro.

                I seem to recall from long ago you first had to
                > register at their site but can't remember if it was their online forums.

                Yes, free registration is required.


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                • 5. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                  > register at their site but can't remember if it was their online forums.


                  http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/?14@277.cHsagmjWoPc@.3bbf2764


                  • 6. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                    On 07 May 2006 in macromedia.dreamweaver, Alan Smithee Jr. wrote:

                    >> register at their site but can't remember if it was their online
                    >> forums.
                    >
                    > http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/?14@277.cHsagmjWoPc@.3bbf2764

                    That's for the webforums; you can /read/ the NNTP forums at
                    news://adobeforums.com without logging in. It appears, however, that you
                    need authorization to post.

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                    • 7. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                      Without logging in, you have Guest Access. Can read but cannot post or
                      reply.

                      http://www.adobeforums.com/Images/help/forumhelp.html

                      I think the read/post/reply rules are the same for web or NNTP access.

                      --
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                      John Waller


                      • 8. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                        Level 7
                        It's the correct address for the nntp forums.

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                        "Raizel" <raizel@idonotuse.com> wrote in message
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                        > In article <e3iqo7$h1o$1@forums.macromedia.com>,
                        > "Alan Smithee Jr." <A_Smithee_J@no.email> wrote:
                        >
                        >> news://adobeforums.com
                        >
                        > Tried that and my reader threw up. Tried forums.adobeforums.com too and
                        > that didn't work. I seem to recall from long ago you first had to
                        > register at their site but can't remember if it was their online forums.


                        • 9. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                          Murray *ACE* wrote:
                          > It's the correct address for the nntp forums.
                          >
                          It works in Outlook Express, but I've never managed to get it to work in
                          Thunderbird.

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                          • 10. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                            Raizel wrote:

                            > In article <e3iqo7$h1o$1@forums.macromedia.com>,
                            > "Alan Smithee Jr." <A_Smithee_J@no.email> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >>news://adobeforums.com
                            >
                            >
                            > Tried that and my reader threw up.

                            So does mine. It keeps popping up an alert to enter a valid address.

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                            • 11. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                              David Powers wrote:

                              > Murray *ACE* wrote:
                              >
                              >> It's the correct address for the nntp forums.
                              >>
                              > It works in Outlook Express, but I've never managed to get it to work in
                              > Thunderbird.

                              It doesn't work in Mozilla news reader either.


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                              • 12. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                                Get a good newsreader, for heavens sakes....

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                                "Linda Rathgeber" <lightly@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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                                > David Powers wrote:
                                >
                                >> Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                >>
                                >>> It's the correct address for the nntp forums.
                                >>>
                                >> It works in Outlook Express, but I've never managed to get it to work in
                                >> Thunderbird.
                                >
                                > It doesn't work in Mozilla news reader either.
                                >
                                >
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                                • 13. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                                  Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                  > Get a good newsreader, for heavens sakes....
                                  >
                                  I have.

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                                  • 14. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                    *dreamer Level 1
                                    quote:

                                    Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
                                    Get a good newsreader, for heavens sakes....

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                                    "Linda Rathgeber" <lightly@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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                                    > David Powers wrote:
                                    >
                                    >> Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                    >>
                                    >>> It's the correct address for the nntp forums.
                                    >>>
                                    >> It works in Outlook Express, but I've never managed to get it to work in
                                    >> Thunderbird.
                                    >
                                    > It doesn't work in Mozilla news reader either.
                                    >
                                    >
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                                    Imagine,

                                    I thought it would be boring @ Adobe today being hols..lmaooooooo Murray!

                                    You could go the extera mile and tell whats a good un...
                                    • 15. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                                      David Powers wrote:
                                      > Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                      >> Get a good newsreader, for heavens sakes....
                                      >>
                                      > I have.
                                      >

                                      What do you use, David?

                                      I use Thunderbird (though I have NGs set up on Outlook Express at the
                                      office), and though I like it, it can be a bit flakey.

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                                      • 16. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                                        *dreamer wrote:
                                        > Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
                                        > Get a good newsreader, for heavens sakes....
                                        >
                                        > Imagine,
                                        >
                                        > I thought it would be boring @ Adobe today being hols..lmaooooooo Murray!
                                        >
                                        > You could go the extera mile and tell whats a good un...
                                        >

                                        Murray uses OE, IIRC. :-)
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                                        • 17. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                          Level 7
                                          > That's for the webforums; you can /read/ the NNTP forums at

                                          Yes. I know. I was providing the link so that one could register an account
                                          in order to use the NNTP forum. I had already posted the NNTP link in a
                                          previous posting.


                                          • 18. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                                            Yep - it's the best ever! 8)

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                                            "Bonnie" <"kroko[Occam]"@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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                                            > *dreamer wrote:
                                            >> Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
                                            >> Get a good newsreader, for heavens sakes....
                                            >>
                                            >> Imagine,
                                            >>
                                            >> I thought it would be boring @ Adobe today being hols..lmaooooooo
                                            >> Murray!
                                            >>
                                            >> You could go the extera mile and tell whats a good un...
                                            >>
                                            >
                                            > Murray uses OE, IIRC. :-)
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                                            • 19. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                                              Bonnie wrote:
                                              > David Powers wrote:
                                              >
                                              >> Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                              >>
                                              >>> Get a good newsreader, for heavens sakes....
                                              >>>
                                              >> I have.
                                              >>
                                              >
                                              > What do you use, David?

                                              I've used Thunderbird ever since getting a new computer at the end of
                                              last year. One reason I don't like using Outlook Express is because I
                                              use Outlook 2003 for email. I've not set up any email accounts in
                                              Thunderbird, so it makes it easy to keep email and news separate.

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                                              • 20. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                Level 7
                                                On Sun, 07 May 2006 07:20:44 -0700, Bonnie
                                                <"kroko[Occam]"@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

                                                >What do you use, David?


                                                Just look in his message header:

                                                User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923)

                                                Gary
                                                • 21. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                                                  On Sun, 07 May 2006 07:21:23 -0700, Bonnie
                                                  <"kroko[Occam]"@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

                                                  >Murray uses OE, IIRC. :-)

                                                  Specifically:

                                                  X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869

                                                  Gary
                                                  • 22. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                    Level 7
                                                    In article <e3kri6$t6c$2@forums.macromedia.com>,
                                                    Linda Rathgeber <lightly@sc.rr.com> wrote:

                                                    > David Powers wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > > Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > >> It's the correct address for the nntp forums.
                                                    > >>
                                                    > > It works in Outlook Express, but I've never managed to get it to work in
                                                    > > Thunderbird.
                                                    >
                                                    > It doesn't work in Mozilla news reader either.

                                                    Drop the news:// for newsreaders (I use Mac MT-NewsWatcher). However,
                                                    when it goes to fetch messages, nothing appears. Will try again.
                                                    • 23. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                                                      .oO(Murray *ACE*)

                                                      >Yep - it's the best ever! 8)

                                                      Yep. It often automatically installed malware in the past and is not
                                                      able to produce standards-compliant postings by default.

                                                      Micha
                                                      • 24. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                        Level 7
                                                        .oO(Linda Rathgeber)

                                                        >David Powers wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        >> Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> It's the correct address for the nntp forums.
                                                        >>>
                                                        >> It works in Outlook Express, but I've never managed to get it to work in
                                                        >> Thunderbird.
                                                        >
                                                        >It doesn't work in Mozilla news reader either.

                                                        How does it not work? What happens? Any error messages?

                                                        Micha
                                                        • 25. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                          Level 7
                                                          .oO(Murray *ACE*)

                                                          >Get a good newsreader, for heavens sakes....

                                                          Fort� Agent for example ...

                                                          Micha
                                                          • 26. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                            Level 7
                                                            Yeah - that's what I mean. The best.... 8)

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                                                            "Michael Fesser" <netizen@gmx.de> wrote in message
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                                                            > .oO(Murray *ACE*)
                                                            >
                                                            >>Yep - it's the best ever! 8)
                                                            >
                                                            > Yep. It often automatically installed malware in the past and is not
                                                            > able to produce standards-compliant postings by default.
                                                            >
                                                            > Micha


                                                            • 27. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                              Level 7
                                                              Michael Fesser wrote:
                                                              > How does it not work? What happens? Any error messages?

                                                              Can't remember the exact error message, but someone came up with the
                                                              answer elsewhere in the thread. In Thunderbird, at least, you need to
                                                              omit the news:// part of the address.

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                                                              • 28. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                                                                OE, too.

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                                                                "David Powers" <david@example.com> wrote in message
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                                                                > Michael Fesser wrote:
                                                                >> How does it not work? What happens? Any error messages?
                                                                >
                                                                > Can't remember the exact error message, but someone came up with the
                                                                > answer elsewhere in the thread. In Thunderbird, at least, you need to omit
                                                                > the news:// part of the address.
                                                                >
                                                                > --
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                                                                • 29. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                                                                  Linda Rathgeber wrote:
                                                                  > Raizel wrote:
                                                                  >
                                                                  >> In article <e3iqo7$h1o$1@forums.macromedia.com>,
                                                                  >> "Alan Smithee Jr." <A_Smithee_J@no.email> wrote:
                                                                  >>
                                                                  >>
                                                                  >>> news://adobeforums.com
                                                                  >>
                                                                  >>
                                                                  >> Tried that and my reader threw up.
                                                                  >
                                                                  > So does mine. It keeps popping up an alert to enter a valid address.
                                                                  >
                                                                  Linda,
                                                                  As Raizel said in an earlier post, if you have you actually entered
                                                                  "news://adobeforums.com" as the server name, you should have entered
                                                                  "adobeforums.com" as the server name?

                                                                  Secondly, I believe that someone else mentioned that you do have to go
                                                                  to the Adobe Forums website and register:
                                                                  http://www.adobe.com/support/forums/. It's free.

                                                                  You can view/browse the forums online without registering; but you must
                                                                  register if you wish to post. I don't know for sure; but, I suspect
                                                                  that it may be set up so that you must be registered if you want to
                                                                  access the forums using a news reader such as Thunderbird or OE.

                                                                  I'm basing this conclusion on the fact that I am registered and had to
                                                                  enter my registration information the first time I tried to set up
                                                                  adobeforums in my TB. Once that was done, I have never run into any
                                                                  problems reading and posting to that newsgroup.

                                                                  FWIW, I did a quick check of the adobeforums.com subscriptions and found
                                                                  none of the products that came from MM are listed on that forum.

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                                                                  • 30. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                                    Level 7
                                                                    You can participate as a read only visitor until you register. You have to
                                                                    go to the webforum to do that once. Then enter that info into your NNTP
                                                                    properties.

                                                                    Warning - the adobe forums are downright hostile to the following -

                                                                    1. NNTP users
                                                                    2. Autoquotes

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                                                                    "Howard Heflin" <NOSPAM_HHHeflin@netscapeNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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                                                                    > Linda Rathgeber wrote:
                                                                    >> Raizel wrote:
                                                                    >>
                                                                    >>> In article <e3iqo7$h1o$1@forums.macromedia.com>,
                                                                    >>> "Alan Smithee Jr." <A_Smithee_J@no.email> wrote:
                                                                    >>>
                                                                    >>>
                                                                    >>>> news://adobeforums.com
                                                                    >>>
                                                                    >>>
                                                                    >>> Tried that and my reader threw up.
                                                                    >>
                                                                    >> So does mine. It keeps popping up an alert to enter a valid address.
                                                                    >>
                                                                    > Linda,
                                                                    > As Raizel said in an earlier post, if you have you actually entered
                                                                    > "news://adobeforums.com" as the server name, you should have entered
                                                                    > "adobeforums.com" as the server name?
                                                                    >
                                                                    > Secondly, I believe that someone else mentioned that you do have to go to
                                                                    > the Adobe Forums website and register:
                                                                    > http://www.adobe.com/support/forums/. It's free.
                                                                    >
                                                                    > You can view/browse the forums online without registering; but you must
                                                                    > register if you wish to post. I don't know for sure; but, I suspect that
                                                                    > it may be set up so that you must be registered if you want to access the
                                                                    > forums using a news reader such as Thunderbird or OE.
                                                                    >
                                                                    > I'm basing this conclusion on the fact that I am registered and had to
                                                                    > enter my registration information the first time I tried to set up
                                                                    > adobeforums in my TB. Once that was done, I have never run into any
                                                                    > problems reading and posting to that newsgroup.
                                                                    >
                                                                    > FWIW, I did a quick check of the adobeforums.com subscriptions and found
                                                                    > none of the products that came from MM are listed on that forum.
                                                                    >
                                                                    > --
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                                                                    > Stop SPAM !!!!


                                                                    • 31. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                                      Level 7
                                                                      Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                                                      > Warning - the adobe forums are downright hostile to the following -
                                                                      >
                                                                      > 1. NNTP users
                                                                      > 2. Autoquotes

                                                                      Do you mean the denizens of the Adobe forums, or the forum technology?

                                                                      Also a bit puzzled by the meaning of autoquotes.

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                                                                      • 32. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                                                                        > Do you mean the denizens of the Adobe forums, or the forum technology?

                                                                        Sadly, a bit of both. The Adobe forums are tecnologically even more hostile
                                                                        to NNTP than the MM webforums are, and the regulars want no truck with
                                                                        NNTP-oritented complaints or nags.

                                                                        > Also a bit puzzled by the meaning of autoquotes.

                                                                        What you see below my sig is an autoquote.

                                                                        Make a single post there with autoquoter turned on, and you will draw 10
                                                                        requests to turn it off, 'for the better of the community'. But, candidly,
                                                                        I have never seen one from 'the community' complain. It's always the same
                                                                        regulars. I guess it's just part of the culture there.

                                                                        Interestingly, the Microsoft fora are the exact mirror image. They are
                                                                        hostile to webforum posters! 8) And could give even a tiny tinker's dam
                                                                        about autoquotes....

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                                                                        "David Powers" <david@example.com> wrote in message
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                                                                        > Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                                                        >> Warning - the adobe forums are downright hostile to the following -
                                                                        >>
                                                                        >> 1. NNTP users
                                                                        >> 2. Autoquotes
                                                                        >
                                                                        > Do you mean the denizens of the Adobe forums, or the forum technology?
                                                                        >
                                                                        > Also a bit puzzled by the meaning of autoquotes.
                                                                        >
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                                                                        • 33. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                                          Level 7
                                                                          > Warning - the adobe forums are downright hostile to the following -
                                                                          >
                                                                          > 1. NNTP users

                                                                          Why do you get the impression that they're hostile to NNTP users, Murray?

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                                                                          John Waller


                                                                          • 34. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                                            Level 7
                                                                            The regulars speak condescendingly to you on some of the forums, and have no
                                                                            patience when you mention something that doesn't work properly with NNTP.
                                                                            The forums do not propagate links to NNTP, or embedded HTML to NNTP, and the
                                                                            links to threads that are posted do not work in NNTP. In other words, they
                                                                            have no room for NNTP users....

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                                                                            "John Waller" <johnw@REMOVETHISpinnacleweb.com.au> wrote in message
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                                                                            >> Warning - the adobe forums are downright hostile to the following -
                                                                            >>
                                                                            >> 1. NNTP users
                                                                            >
                                                                            > Why do you get the impression that they're hostile to NNTP users, Murray?
                                                                            >
                                                                            > --
                                                                            > Regards
                                                                            >
                                                                            > John Waller
                                                                            >


                                                                            • 35. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                                              Level 7
                                                                              Murray *ACE* wrote:

                                                                              >the regulars want no truck with NNTP-oritented complaints or nags.

                                                                              That is a massive generalisation based on two people who weren't very
                                                                              nice to you on a particular forum.

                                                                              > Make a single post there with autoquoter turned on, and you will draw 10
                                                                              > requests to turn it off

                                                                              Nonsense. If you repeatedly post untrimmed messages then you may be
                                                                              politely asked to turn off your auto-quote.

                                                                              > I have never seen one from 'the community' complain.

                                                                              You'll need to define "community" there. I've been on a number of the
                                                                              forums you are referring to for over five years, and newsreader users
                                                                              and web interface users never seemed to have had any problem co-existing
                                                                              ... until recently.

                                                                              >I guess it's just part of the culture there.

                                                                              Most Adobe forums have quite an easy-going culture. The GoLive forums
                                                                              are extremely easy-going. Many regular posters on the Adobe forums have
                                                                              already changed their normal practice to take into account people who
                                                                              use newsgroup readers.

                                                                              > Interestingly, the Microsoft fora are the exact mirror image. They are
                                                                              > hostile to webforum posters! 8)

                                                                              That's interesting and perhaps the best thing to do is to try to respect
                                                                              forum users regardless of the interface they use.

                                                                              >And could give even a tiny tinker's dam about autoquotes....

                                                                              Well, that's not a surprise. But I don't know that its a recommendation
                                                                              for the best way to behave. Its nice to be nice.

                                                                              John
                                                                              • 36. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                                                Level 7
                                                                                Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                                                                > The regulars speak condescendingly to you on some of the forums

                                                                                Would you care to provide examples? You have most regularly contributed
                                                                                to the GoLive forums of the Adobe forums and I haven't seen the
                                                                                condescenscion you are complaining about from regulars there.

                                                                                >and have no patience when you mention something that doesn't work properly with NNTP.

                                                                                Do you mean the particular thread in the Adobe forums comments forum
                                                                                with Claudio and Ramon? They are regulars, yes, but not regulars in the
                                                                                forums I have seen you regularly participate in.

                                                                                > The forums do not propagate links to NNTP

                                                                                Links to other forum threads seem to require that you show all messages
                                                                                in the thread. A pain in the butt, for sure. Otherwise what links?
                                                                                External links "propagate" OK for me.

                                                                                >or embedded HTML to NNTP

                                                                                I believe there have been problems with that on both Macromedia and
                                                                                Adobe forums; nothing to do with "us" against "you". I think all of us,
                                                                                regardless what interface is used, or which forums we have come from,
                                                                                have problems with how markup is (or isn't) displayed.

                                                                                In other words, they have no room for NNTP users....

                                                                                ?

                                                                                John

                                                                                • 37. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                                                  Level 7
                                                                                  John:

                                                                                  Fancy seeing you here! 8) Looks like I'm busted....

                                                                                  > That is a massive generalisation based on two people who weren't very nice
                                                                                  > to you on a particular forum.

                                                                                  Let's say it's a large generalization. There is no sympathy or empathy for
                                                                                  NNTP complaints there. Frankly, there is none at Macromedia, either. I
                                                                                  know you don't come here often, but I'd be willing to bet that >90% of the
                                                                                  answers here come from NNTP posters, even though probably <10% of the
                                                                                  questions come from NNTP posters.

                                                                                  > Nonsense. If you repeatedly post untrimmed messages then you may be
                                                                                  > politely asked to turn off your auto-quote.

                                                                                  I beg to differ. Not with the polite part but with the "repeatedly" part.
                                                                                  One post is all it takes.

                                                                                  > You'll need to define "community" there.

                                                                                  Those who come to read only. The autoquote nags come from approximately 5
                                                                                  or 6 regulars.

                                                                                  > Many regular posters on the Adobe forums have already changed their normal
                                                                                  > practice to take into account people who use newsgroup readers.

                                                                                  This is true, and I really appreciate it.

                                                                                  > Most Adobe forums have quite an easy-going culture.

                                                                                  This is true as well. I suppose my experience on the nontechnical board
                                                                                  left a bad taste in my mouth - yet, it was the one I was encouraged to take
                                                                                  my NNTP requests to. So much for that....

                                                                                  > That's interesting and perhaps the best thing to do is to try to respect
                                                                                  > forum users regardless of the interface they use.

                                                                                  I agree. And I do try (and you know that I do). I guess what I am
                                                                                  complaining about the most is that I thought Macromedia had locks on
                                                                                  unfriendly webforum -> NNTP forum mirroring. Imagine my surprise when I
                                                                                  found it even worse on the Adobe forums. This after spending time on the
                                                                                  Microsoft forums that seem to have NONE of these problems web <--> NNTP.

                                                                                  > Well, that's not a surprise.

                                                                                  Now, now....

                                                                                  > But I don't know that its a recommendation for the best way to behave. Its
                                                                                  > nice to be nice.

                                                                                  Indeed. I certainly have been.

                                                                                  The point here is that autoquotes are a non-issue. NNTPers use them.
                                                                                  Webforum users do not. By squelching them, you make it harder for me to
                                                                                  follow the thread. This would be a non-issue, too, if I were not sincerely
                                                                                  and genuinely trying to help people.

                                                                                  That's just my take. And I'll say it again in this modified fashion. In my
                                                                                  opinion, the Adobe forums are even more hostile to NNTP users than the
                                                                                  Macromedia forums are, neither of which are particularly NNTP-friendly.

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                                                                                  "John Donaldson" <john.donaldson@adobe.com> wrote in message
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                                                                                  > Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  >>the regulars want no truck with NNTP-oritented complaints or nags.
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  > That is a massive generalisation based on two people who weren't very nice
                                                                                  > to you on a particular forum.
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  >> Make a single post there with autoquoter turned on, and you will draw 10
                                                                                  >> requests to turn it off
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  > Nonsense. If you repeatedly post untrimmed messages then you may be
                                                                                  > politely asked to turn off your auto-quote.
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  >> I have never seen one from 'the community' complain.
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  > You'll need to define "community" there. I've been on a number of the
                                                                                  > forums you are referring to for over five years, and newsreader users and
                                                                                  > web interface users never seemed to have had any problem co-existing ...
                                                                                  > until recently.
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  > >I guess it's just part of the culture there.
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  > Most Adobe forums have quite an easy-going culture. The GoLive forums are
                                                                                  > extremely easy-going. Many regular posters on the Adobe forums have
                                                                                  > already changed their normal practice to take into account people who use
                                                                                  > newsgroup readers.
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  >> Interestingly, the Microsoft fora are the exact mirror image. They are
                                                                                  >> hostile to webforum posters! 8)
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  > That's interesting and perhaps the best thing to do is to try to respect
                                                                                  > forum users regardless of the interface they use.
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  >>And could give even a tiny tinker's dam about autoquotes....
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  > Well, that's not a surprise. But I don't know that its a recommendation
                                                                                  > for the best way to behave. Its nice to be nice.
                                                                                  >
                                                                                  > John


                                                                                  • 38. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
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                                                                                    > Would you care to provide examples? You have most regularly contributed to
                                                                                    > the GoLive forums of the Adobe forums and I haven't seen the
                                                                                    > condescenscion you are complaining about from regulars there.

                                                                                    I retract the statement, and apologize to you and the others on the GL
                                                                                    forums. It was not intended (although patently appeared that way) to apply
                                                                                    to you.

                                                                                    > Do you mean the particular thread in the Adobe forums comments forum with
                                                                                    > Claudio and Ramon?

                                                                                    That's it.

                                                                                    > Links to other forum threads seem to require that you show all messages in
                                                                                    > the thread. A pain in the butt, for sure.

                                                                                    Yes. It's inter-thread links on the forum that are obnoxious. The way it
                                                                                    is now basically means that I cannot follow a thread linked without firing
                                                                                    up a browser window.

                                                                                    > I believe there have been problems with that on both Macromedia and Adobe
                                                                                    > forums; nothing to do with "us" against "you".

                                                                                    Yes, but here, internal thread links work for both webforum and NNTP users.
                                                                                    In NNTP, your newsreader jumps to the thread (I believe). In the webforum,
                                                                                    well, you know how that works.

                                                                                    > nothing to do with "us" against "you"

                                                                                    That's correct.

                                                                                    > I think all of us, regardless what interface is used, or which forums we
                                                                                    > have come from, have problems with how markup is (or isn't) displayed.

                                                                                    We have that here, but not to the 'apparent' extent that the GL forums do.
                                                                                    There is no need to corrupt the HTML that you paste into your post by adding
                                                                                    spaces - it usually comes through fine, to the extent that I can just copy
                                                                                    and paste directly into DW. Lately it has been much more flaky, though -
                                                                                    especially with server code.

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                                                                                    "John Donaldson" <john.donaldson@adobe.com> wrote in message
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                                                                                    > Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                                                                    >> The regulars speak condescendingly to you on some of the forums
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    > Would you care to provide examples? You have most regularly contributed to
                                                                                    > the GoLive forums of the Adobe forums and I haven't seen the
                                                                                    > condescenscion you are complaining about from regulars there.
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    >>and have no patience when you mention something that doesn't work properly
                                                                                    >>with NNTP.
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    > Do you mean the particular thread in the Adobe forums comments forum with
                                                                                    > Claudio and Ramon? They are regulars, yes, but not regulars in the forums
                                                                                    > I have seen you regularly participate in.
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    >> The forums do not propagate links to NNTP
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    > Links to other forum threads seem to require that you show all messages in
                                                                                    > the thread. A pain in the butt, for sure. Otherwise what links? External
                                                                                    > links "propagate" OK for me.
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    >>or embedded HTML to NNTP
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    > I believe there have been problems with that on both Macromedia and Adobe
                                                                                    > forums; nothing to do with "us" against "you". I think all of us,
                                                                                    > regardless what interface is used, or which forums we have come from, have
                                                                                    > problems with how markup is (or isn't) displayed.
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    > In other words, they have no room for NNTP users....
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    > ?
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    > John
                                                                                    >


                                                                                    • 39. Re: Adobe Newsgroups?
                                                                                      Level 7
                                                                                      Hi Murray,

                                                                                      Murray *ACE* wrote:

                                                                                      > Fancy seeing you here! 8) Looks like I'm busted....

                                                                                      LOL.

                                                                                      > Let's say it's a large generalization. There is no sympathy or
                                                                                      > empathy for NNTP complaints there.

                                                                                      Well, you found at least one sympathetic ear :-) I've even switched over
                                                                                      to using a newsreader for the GoLive forums to see what its like.

                                                                                      > I know you don't come here often

                                                                                      Didn't used to, no.

                                                                                      > but I'd be willing to bet that >90% of the answers here come from
                                                                                      > NNTP posters, even though probably <10% of the questions come from
                                                                                      > NNTP posters.

                                                                                      That's here. It doesn't hold true of all other forums, and it certainly
                                                                                      isn't true of the GoLive forums. But of course, anything that can be
                                                                                      done to make things better for any participant should be pursued.

                                                                                      > I beg to differ. Not with the polite part but with the "repeatedly"
                                                                                      > part. One post is all it takes.

                                                                                      Yes, that's probably the case sometimes. Since I'm using a newsreader
                                                                                      over there as well at the moment, the first time I forget to trim my
                                                                                      quote for a reply I'll no doubt get a reminder too ;-) Its not a heavy
                                                                                      price to pay for peaceful co-existence though, is it?

                                                                                      > Those who come to read only.

                                                                                      That's a strange definition of a community. It excludes the most active
                                                                                      participants from being part of the community they participate in.

                                                                                      > The autoquote nags come from approximately 5 or 6 regulars.

                                                                                      Yes :-)

                                                                                      > This is true as well. I suppose my experience on the nontechnical
                                                                                      > board left a bad taste in my mouth - yet, it was the one I was
                                                                                      > encouraged to take my NNTP requests to. So much for that....

                                                                                      Yes, sorry about that, though it was the correct forum and the main
                                                                                      thing is not what replies you get from other forum participants as
                                                                                      making it known to the forums administration that you are unhappy with
                                                                                      the way things function at present.

                                                                                      > I agree. And I do try (and you know that I do).

                                                                                      Yes, I do know you try.

                                                                                      > The point here is that autoquotes are a non-issue. NNTPers use them.
                                                                                      > Webforum users do not. By squelching them, you make it harder for
                                                                                      > me to follow the thread.

                                                                                      Quotation to provide context is a good thing. It doesn't mean a post
                                                                                      can't be trimmed so it also keeps the web interface nice and tidy,
                                                                                      though, surely?

                                                                                      > This would be a non-issue, too, if I were not sincerely and genuinely
                                                                                      > trying to help people.

                                                                                      As are some of the people you have this issue with, and they have been
                                                                                      for quite a number of years. I guess everyone has to try and get along.

                                                                                      John
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