Because Lightroom tends to ignore brand-specific in-camera metadata-based adjustments of this sort. Lr sees and uses the full Raw file.
Keith, not sure about that. Ever since around LR5.2, in-camera cropping has been supported in Lightroom, i.e. as Karsten says, use in-camera crop and the full file data can be recovered in the Crop tool....IOW the full file is imported (unlike by Canon 5DIII which missed the cut, so if I crop in camera I'd have to use the DNG Recover Edges plug-in to get the full raw file). So I would expect the same to apply with the E-M5 II.
Karsten, could you upload a raw file (e.g. using Dropbox or similar) which has been cropped in camera, so that I could download and inspect. In the meantime, I'll ask around to see if anyone else is seeing the same problem.
Surprising (to me), but I'm happy to bow to your experience, Jim.
So my questions are.
IF you want the Full image to be displayed in LR why are you using a different aspect ratio in the camera? Just shoot at the native sensor ratio and crop later in LR.
IF you are using a non native aspect ratio in the camera for content and framing of the image you are taking why do you want LR to display the native sensor ratio? It is not what you wanted to capture and in the ratio you wanted in the first place.
Jim, here is a link to one such raw file taken with E-M5 II:
I am pretty sure that the reason for non available in-camera-cropping is not due to the structure of the particular E-M5II file format. I have used exiftool to change the camera type in ORF from E-M5II to E-M1 and also E-M10, and even if the results seem to be not usable in LR (eg corrupted colors) it is obvious that in-camera-cropping support works in both cases. So, it still exists in LR6, and in principle it is also supported by the file format. For some reason it is not considered for camera type E-M5II.
I am using the desired target aspect ratio already while shooting the image, because it supports composing and framing the image which I have in mind. Anyway, working with the view finder is not as precise as with a computer screen so I appreciate the possibility to control and fine tune the position of the frame within the full sensor image at time of post processing.
Please be aware that my post is not about asking for a new feature.
I am just asking why a feature which is already supported for E-M1 and E-M10 for some time is not supported for E-M5 II.
Thanks. Have downloaded and imported and see the same as you. I'll try the latest DNG converter as well to see if that make a difference. I see you have the same shot taken with one of your other cameras, could you upload that as well?
I only have a E-M5II, no other cameras.
"the same shot taken with one of your other cameras" - I guess you refer to the above screenshot?
This was the result of importing the E-M5II ORF file in LR6, after patching the EXIF camera model in that particular file to "E-M10".
(exiftool -model="E-M10" -ext orf %1)
Just in case it helps with analyzing the issue:
Here is a link to the patched ORF file that I used to double-check if LR6 still supports in-camera-cropping for other E-Mx cams apart from E-M5II:
The ORF is same as the one under the link that I previously posted, except EXIF camera model information which was modified to "E-M10" using exiftool (see my previous post).
After importing in LR6 the actual image looks weird in terms of colors, but it is obvious that in-camera-cropping is supported for this file.
Karsten, the Adobe engineer has just reported back saying that the file you provided is in fact from the Mark I, not the Mark II...or at least that's what the Model Name field in the EXIF data shows (which is what LR uses, and is thus why you don't get to see the full pre-cropped data). So, a couple of possibilities:
1. You've uploaded an older file (unlikely, given the capture date).
2. Your camera is a Mark I, not a Mark II.
3. You'd previously hacked the file to make it look like a Mark I so that you could process it in Lightroom before LR6 was released.
What do you think?
Jim, the Adobe engineer is right - and while noticing my fault I am really ashamed that I started this topic, wasting everybody's time.
During the few weeks after I got my Mark and LR6 was not yet released, I used to patch the ORF files so I could use them with LR5. After updating to LR6, I converted all these Mark I files back to Mark II. For whatever reason, the file in question was missed out and I didn't notice my fault.
I double checked using fresh files, everything is how it should be.
So again, please accept my apologies for this false report.
No worries, Karsten....pleased it was sorted and didn't turn out to be a bug.