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1. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 1:05 PM (in response to bkoopers).oO(bkoopers)
>I am using the following CSS style code to position a background image in a div
>window:
>
> div#midwindow {
> background: url(backgrounds\back_news_dim.jpg);
Replace the backslash with a slash, then check again.
> background-position: 0px 0px;
> background-repeat: no-repeat;
> background-attachment: fixed;
> }
You could use a shorthand property instead:
background: url(backgrounds/back_news_dim.jpg) no-repeat fixed;
> When viewed with Internet Explorer v6, the background image is positioned
>perfectly in the div window. With Internet Explorer v6, the image is shifted
>about a third of the way to the left. With Firefox v2, Netscape v7.2, and Opera
>v7.52, the background image is not displayed at all.
>
> What code can I use to display and position the background image in a div
>window in the same position for all these web browsers (or at least IE v6 and
>v7 and Firefox)?
Fixed background images are always positioned relative to the browser
viewport, not to the element they belong to. If you want the image to be
positioned in the div's corner remove the 'background-attachment'
property.
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2. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 1:11 PM (in response to bkoopers)Don't use background-attachment with IE6 for anything other than the body
tag. Please.
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"Michael Fesser" <netizen@gmx.de> wrote in message
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> .oO(bkoopers)
>
>>I am using the following CSS style code to position a background image in
>>a div
>>window:
>>
>> div#midwindow {
>> background: url(backgrounds\back_news_dim.jpg);
>
> Replace the backslash with a slash, then check again.
>
>> background-position: 0px 0px;
>> background-repeat: no-repeat;
>> background-attachment: fixed;
>> }
>
> You could use a shorthand property instead:
>
> background: url(backgrounds/back_news_dim.jpg) no-repeat fixed;
>
>> When viewed with Internet Explorer v6, the background image is positioned
>>perfectly in the div window. With Internet Explorer v6, the image is
>>shifted
>>about a third of the way to the left. With Firefox v2, Netscape v7.2, and
>>Opera
>>v7.52, the background image is not displayed at all.
>>
>> What code can I use to display and position the background image in a div
>>window in the same position for all these web browsers (or at least IE v6
>>and
>>v7 and Firefox)?
>
> Fixed background images are always positioned relative to the browser
> viewport, not to the element they belong to. If you want the image to be
> positioned in the div's corner remove the 'background-attachment'
> property.
>
> Micha
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3. Re: Background image positioning
rabbitdesign Jan 10, 2007 1:16 PM (in response to bkoopers)You don't say whether you are using Dreamweaver to code the page, and whether Dreamweaver has generated this CSS after inserting a background image -
4. Re: Background image positioning
bkoopers Jan 10, 2007 1:31 PM (in response to bkoopers)I inserted the background image code manually.
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5. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 1:38 PM (in response to bkoopers)Sure there is. What do you need to know?
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"bkoopers" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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>I inserted the background image code manually.
>
> If there is a way to do it with Dreamweaver, I would like to know that
> too. Thanks.
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6. Re: Background image positioning
bkoopers Jan 10, 2007 1:49 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)Murray:
If I remove the "background-attachment: fixed" code line, then the background image does not stay fixed when the div window is scrolled (it scrolls out of view with the foreground text).
Michael:
I tried changing url(backgrounds\back_news_dim.jpg) to url(backgrounds/back_news_dim.jpg) but it made no difference.
I tried the shorthand (one line) code method but that also made no difference.
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7. Re: Background image positioning
bkoopers Jan 10, 2007 2:10 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)I would like to know what code to use to position a fixed (non-scrolling) background image at specified coordinates in a scrolling div window that will be viewable and positioned at the same spot in all the major web browsers. Once I know the correct code to do that, then I would like to know how to use Dreamweaver to add that code in other webpages. -
8. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 2:23 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)Yes, and IE6 goes nuts when it sees that for the reason that Michael
mentioned. Even though you have it inside an element, it's still fixed with
regard to the body of the page.
It just ain't gonna work.
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"bkoopers" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Murray:
>
> If I remove the "background-attachment: fixed" code line, then the
> background
> image does not stay fixed when the div window is scrolled (it scrolls out
> of
> view with the foreground text).
>
> Michael:
>
> I tried changing url(backgrounds\back_news_dim.jpg) to
> url(backgrounds/back_news_dim.jpg) but it made no difference.
>
> I tried the shorthand (one line) code method but that also made no
> difference.
>
> If I don't use the "background-attachment: fixed" code, then what code is
> needed to keep the background image from scrolling?
>
>
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9. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 2:24 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)You cannot do this reliably.
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"bkoopers" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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>I would like to know what code to use to position a fixed (non-scrolling)
> background image at specified coordinates in a scrolling div window that
> will
> be viewable and positioned at the same spot in all the major web browsers.
> Once
> I know the correct code to do that, then I would like to know how to use
> Dreamweaver to add that code in other webpages.
>
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10. Re: Background image positioning
bkoopers Jan 10, 2007 2:53 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)It is hard to believe that something as simple in concept as this cannot be done. Am I the only one that wants to do this?
Is there any code other than what I used that at least does a better job (i.e., positions in the same spot with IE6 and IE7 or displays at all in the other web browsers)? -
11. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 3:07 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:21:54 -0500, "Murray *ACE*"
<forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
>Even though you have it inside an element, it's still fixed with
>regard to the body of the page.
That's as it should be according to the spec:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html#background-properties
IE gets it wrong and tries to position it relative to its container.
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12. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 3:18 PM (in response to bkoopers)bkoopers wrote:
> I am using the following CSS style code to position a background image in a div
> window:
>
> div#midwindow {
> background: url(backgrounds\back_news_dim.jpg);
> background-position: 0px 0px;
> background-repeat: no-repeat;
> background-attachment: fixed;
> }
Best to be changing this bit......
background: url(backgrounds\back_news_dim.jpg);
to
background: url(backgrounds/back_news_dim.jpg);
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13. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 3:50 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)Right - just backwards.
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"Gary White" <gary@apptools.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:21:54 -0500, "Murray *ACE*"
> <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
>
>>Even though you have it inside an element, it's still fixed with
>>regard to the body of the page.
>
> That's as it should be according to the spec:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html#background-properties
>
> IE gets it wrong and tries to position it relative to its container.
>
> Gary
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14. Re: Background image positioning
bkoopers Jan 10, 2007 3:59 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)djinn:
As I indicated previously, I tried changing "\" to "/" but it made no difference. -
15. Re: Background image positioning
bkoopers Jan 10, 2007 4:00 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)Gary White:
IE7 gets it wrong but IE6 gets it right. Why is that? -
16. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 4:05 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)bkoopers wrote:
> djinn:
>
> As I indicated previously, I tried changing "\" to "/" but it made no difference.
It should make it show in FF
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17. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 4:18 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)djinn wrote:
> bkoopers wrote:
>> djinn:
>>
>> As I indicated previously, I tried changing "\" to "/" but it made no
>> difference.
>
> It should make it show in FF
>
> HTH
>
div#midwindow {
background: url(backgrounds/back_news_dim.jpg) no-repeat center top;
}
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18. Re: Background image positioning
bkoopers Jan 10, 2007 4:48 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)djinn:
Thanks. I changed it to a "/" and now it shows in Firefox and Netscape but it is shifted to the left even more than with IE7.
http://lourds.com/newsx.htm
Murray appears to say there is no way to position the background image in the same fixed spot as viewed by IE6, IE7, FF and NS. Does everyone else agree or does someone know a way to do it? -
19. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 4:53 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)bkoopers wrote:
> djinn:
>
> Thanks. I changed it to a "/" and now it shows in Firefox and Netscape but it
> is shifted to the left even more than with IE7.
>
> http://lourds.com/newsx.htm
div#midwindow {
background: url(backgrounds/back_news_dim.jpg) no-repeat center top;
}
Doesn't do it?
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20. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 5:35 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)He wants position:fixed, Sinclair. There is no way to do it on anything
other than the <body> tag, since IE gets it wrong by using the container
instead.
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"djinn" <scobies@dsl.pipexYerKitAff.com> wrote in message
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> bkoopers wrote:
>> djinn:
>>
>> Thanks. I changed it to a "/" and now it shows in Firefox and Netscape
>> but it is shifted to the left even more than with IE7.
>>
>> http://lourds.com/newsx.htm
>
> div#midwindow {
> background: url(backgrounds/back_news_dim.jpg) no-repeat center top;
> }
>
> Doesn't do it?
>
>
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21. Re: Background image positioning
bkoopers Jan 10, 2007 5:49 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)djinn:
Thanks. I changed it to your code:
http://lourds.com/newsx.htm
It now displays correctly and stays fixed with FF, NS and Opera but with IE6 and IE7, although it is positioned correctly, it does not stay fixed (it scrolls up and out of sight with the div window scroll).
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22. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 5:51 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)Murray *ACE* wrote:
> He wants position:fixed, Sinclair. There is no way to do it on anything
> other than the <body> tag, since IE gets it wrong by using the container
> instead.
>
My bad - I thought that this had been accepted by the OP and it was now
just a positional thing!!
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23. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 6:04 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)Read my lips. It can't be done on anything but the body tag.
Get it? Can't be done. Nope. Uh huh. Nada. No way jose....
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"bkoopers" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> djinn:
>
> Thanks. I changed it to your code:
>
> http://lourds.com/newsx.htm
>
> It now displays correctly and stays fixed with FF, NS and Opera but with
> IE6
> and IE7, although it is positioned correctly, it does not stay fixed (it
> scrolls up and out of sight with the div window scroll).
>
> Can you suggest something that not stop IE6 and IE7 from scrolling the
> background image?
>
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24. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 10, 2007 6:07 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)bkoopers wrote:
> Can you suggest something that not stop IE6 and IE7 from scrolling the
> background image?
>
Unfortunately that's something you will have to live with - sorry!
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25. Re: Background image positioning
bkoopers Jan 10, 2007 6:07 PM (in response to bkoopers)Murray:
This problem existed in IE6. IE7 was just released. Is there a reason why Microsoft did not fix this in IE7?
djinn:
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26. Re: Background image positioning
bkoopers Jan 10, 2007 6:45 PM (in response to bkoopers)If there any way to do this with javascript (or is that a question for a javascript forum)? -
27. Re: Background image positioning
bkoopers Jan 10, 2007 9:16 PM (in response to bkoopers)I know Murray says it can't be done, but I have a difficult time giving up on any problem until a solution is found.
I changed the code to this:
div#midwindow {
background: url(backgrounds/back_news_dim.jpg) no-repeat fixed 240px 10px;
}
Now it works (fixed, no scrolling when div window scrolls) in IE7, Firefox, Netscape and Opera. In IE6, the image is shifted about 50% too far to the right.
Actually, I also had to position the image an extra 20 pixels to the right. At 220 pixels, IE7 placed the right edge of the image flush with the scroll bar. The other browsers had the image 20 pixels to the left (leaving a black vertical section). Since the image is wider than the div window, I was able to shift it to the right and have it still look OK in IE7.
Eventually, all IE6 users will upgrade to IE7 but that might take years. In the mean time, since I got this far, can anybody think of a workaround to get IE6 to position the image correctly? -
28. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 11, 2007 3:34 AM (in response to bkoopers)No. As far as I know, it cannot be done.
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"bkoopers" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> If there any way to do this with javascript (or is that a question for a
> javascript forum)?
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29. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 11, 2007 3:35 AM (in response to bkoopers)You would have to ask Microsoft that question.
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"bkoopers" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Murray:
>
> This problem existed in IE6. IE7 was just released. Is there a reason why
> Microsoft did not fix this in IE7?
>
> djinn:
>
> Who or what is the "OP"?
>
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30. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 11, 2007 4:11 AM (in response to bkoopers)bkoopers wrote:
> Murray:
>
> This problem existed in IE6. IE7 was just released. Is there a reason why Microsoft did not fix this in IE7?
>
> djinn:
>
> Who or what is the "OP"?
>
OP - Original Poster
If you're not too fussed about validation etc - I wonder if this works
Remove this from your style......
div#midwindow { background: transparent no-repeat fixed 240px 10px; }
Now in your HTML
find this bit.....
<body>
<center>
<table width="760" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
and replace with......
<body>
<center>
<table width="760" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
background="back_news_dim.jpg">
It may or may not work - nut worth a try.
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31. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 11, 2007 4:17 AM (in response to bkoopers)How would that emulate background-attachment:fixed?
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"djinn" <scobies@dsl.pipexYerKitAff.com> wrote in message
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> bkoopers wrote:
>> Murray:
>>
>> This problem existed in IE6. IE7 was just released. Is there a reason why
>> Microsoft did not fix this in IE7?
>>
>> djinn:
>>
>> Who or what is the "OP"?
>>
>
> OP - Original Poster
>
> If you're not too fussed about validation etc - I wonder if this works
>
> Remove this from your style......
>
> div#midwindow { background: transparent no-repeat fixed 240px 10px; }
>
> Now in your HTML
>
> find this bit.....
>
> <body>
> <center>
> <table width="760" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
>
> and replace with......
>
> <body>
> <center>
> <table width="760" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
> background="back_news_dim.jpg">
>
> It may or may not work - nut worth a try.
>
> HTH
>
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32. Re: Background image positioning
bkoopers Jan 11, 2007 4:49 AM (in response to bkoopers)My original code works correctly with only IE6 and the current code works correctly with all web browsers except IE6. Is there a way to insert conditional code that checks for the web browser name and version for IE6 and uses one code line for IE6 and the other code line for all other browsers? -
33. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 11, 2007 4:53 AM (in response to bkoopers)Google "Conditional Comments"....
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"bkoopers" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> My original code works correctly with only IE6 and the current code works
> correctly with all web browsers except IE6. Is there a way to insert
> conditional code that checks for the web browser name and version for IE6
> and
> uses one code line for IE6 and the other code line for all other browsers?
>
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34. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 11, 2007 5:04 AM (in response to bkoopers)Murray *ACE* wrote:
> How would that emulate background-attachment:fixed?
>
Well the background is on the table which remains fixed and the text is
on the div which scrolls over the table - no?
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35. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 11, 2007 5:09 AM (in response to bkoopers)bkoopers wrote:
> My original code works correctly with only IE6 and the current code works
> correctly with all web browsers except IE6. Is there a way to insert
> conditional code that checks for the web browser name and version for IE6 and
> uses one code line for IE6 and the other code line for all other browsers?
>
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36. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 11, 2007 5:53 AM (in response to bkoopers)No - the table doesn't remain fixed as the page scrolls.
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"djinn" <scobies@dsl.pipexYerKitAff.com> wrote in message
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> Murray *ACE* wrote:
>> How would that emulate background-attachment:fixed?
>>
>
> Well the background is on the table which remains fixed and the text is on
> the div which scrolls over the table - no?
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37. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 11, 2007 7:44 AM (in response to Newsgroup_User)Murray *ACE* wrote:
> He wants position:fixed, Sinclair. There is no way to do it on anything
> other than the <body> tag, since IE gets it wrong by using the container
> instead.
Yes again sorry - I thought this had been undersood by the OP and it was
a matter of positioning of the content (which I should have said in my
last post as opposed to page) - i think it's time for my nap ;-)
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38. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 11, 2007 7:52 AM (in response to Newsgroup_User)On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:00:36 +0000 (UTC), "bkoopers"
<webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:
>IE7 gets it wrong but IE6 gets it right. Why is that?
IE6 gets it wrong. I haven't tested that particular issue in IE7. The
point is that there will be a lot of IE6 browsers around for quite a
while. That means that using fixed positioning for anything other than a
body's background image is going to be unreliable. Perhaps, in a few
years, when IE6 becomes a dead issue, IE7's handling of it will be
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39. Re: Background image positioning
Newsgroup_User Jan 11, 2007 7:59 AM (in response to Newsgroup_User)The issue is BACKGROUND-ATTACHMENT:FIXED, not position:fixed, no?
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"Gary White" <gary@apptools.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:00:36 +0000 (UTC), "bkoopers"
> <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:
>
>>IE7 gets it wrong but IE6 gets it right. Why is that?
>
>
> IE6 gets it wrong. I haven't tested that particular issue in IE7. The
> point is that there will be a lot of IE6 browsers around for quite a
> while. That means that using fixed positioning for anything other than a
> body's background image is going to be unreliable. Perhaps, in a few
> years, when IE6 becomes a dead issue, IE7's handling of it will be
> important enough to check.
>
> Gary

