Collections do come in as part of the upgrade process. The Lightroom 5 catalog should be still there if you want to retry the catalog upgrade. You've definitely upgraded the correct catalog?
We only had one catalog called 2015Sports and we now have two: 2015Sports and 2015Sports-2 (the Lr CC upgrade).
but none of the collections exist and we had a lot for all of our clients.
Where are (smart) collection files stored?
In the catalog. Nowhere else. DId you run the weekly default catalog backups?
Yes we did backups.
I looked in the Lightroom Settings folders, but NONE of our custom collections exist. Only the default collections.
Is this true of all your backups? I'm up in 5 hours, so I'm gone now.
Did a search of lrsmcol files on all of our drives including the back up drives and only a single instance of a lrsmcol file exists. NOTE: Not a "set" but a single file for a single client).
I installed 5.7.1: Here is a small snip of existing collections. We have many more but they do not exist anywhere that I can find manually or via search. How do we ensure the collections are saved/written w/o having to manually export every time we create one?
NOte: I exported these and backed up this catalog, but will not use Lr6CC until there is a work around. Caveat #2, our CC subscription doensn't cover stand alone installs and I can't find my Lr licenses number.
All of my collections and smart collections came across from the catalog upgrade.. and one many catalogs as I did various jobs and brought them into the main catalog.
Collections are stored in the catalog. The .lrsmcol are criteria files. If you're missing metadata they won't do anything useful. You can export them, by selecting them then right clicking on them and choosing 'Export Smart Collection Settings'. I tried it with multi selection, but only the first file exported.
I'd try the upgrade again.
I reopened the catalog in Lr 5.7.1 (the one that Lr 6 upgraded to 2015Sports-2) and all the edits are there (that's where the above collections came from).
Note: I started out with Lr 2 or 3 well before Creative Cloud came out, but we migrated to CC last year. Now, because I am using Lr CC I don't have a stand alone license for Lr 5.7.1... so it's currently running in trial mode.
I'm doing full backups of everything tonight and through the morning to ensure I have something to fall back on in case it all goes to crap. I will begin anew tomorrow afternoon or evening and document all steps. (I;m used to that part after 10 years in IT...jut was in a rush this weekend to get up and running again). Big mistake.
The collections should really come in as part of the upgrade, which was why I was suggesting trying it again.
While you have it working in LR5, you could save out metadata. Note that flags don't go into metadata. At least that way any fresh import would keep keywords, ratings etc with the the file.
Someone else is reporting a similar issue where the metadata didn't travel with the upgrade. This makes me wonder if there isn't some kind of catalog corruption that means Lightroom is skipping the metadata.
What OS are you on Brent?
Hm I really could've found this thread by myself, but thanks for pointing it out @seanmcfoto
This happens to be the case in my situation too. All collections are lost too, except for 2. Surprisingly (or rather not...) those collections contain exactly those pictures where the metadata survived too. (~200/13k).
Reverting back to Lr 5.7.1 shows the images and metadata are there and it's not necessarily a catalog problem but the upgrade or a set of functionalities in Lr6CC.
I have searched all hard drives we use and there is only a random SINGLE collection file. My collections are NOT getting backed up. Is there a random check box that needs to be checked or unchecked? Are collections actually held in a form of memory within Lr and not actually converted to a file?
To me, this is a major concern. Is this something that needs to be looked at from the code level?
I have searched all hard drives we use and there is only a random SINGLE collection file. My collections are NOT getting backed up.
Collections can only be backed up by making a backup of your catalog file. You will not find collections by searching your hard drives.
All collections are stored in the catalog only. Been this way since Lightroom was first made. As I've said above, you can export the settings from a Smart Collection, and most likely that one you found is from when you saw the command once and tried it out. It's not a bug and is as designed.
The Catalog Upgrade process is the issue, because it's failing to upgrade you catalog correctly. Everything from LR5 should be visible in LR6/CC. I can do a test upgrade of your catalog my end to see if it's something else. The catalog file itself holds no images or previews, so I wouldn't see any work directly. It's literally to see if it's broken for me also. If you're willing to put a zipped copy of the LR5 catalog in dropbox etc and send me a link, I'd be happy to try it.
Typically when someone opens a catalog and finds that months of work is gone, it's because they have inadvertently opened an old backup catalog. If you have a catalog that looks correct in Lightroom 5, but when you open it in Lightroom 6 it's missing things, then I would very much like to look at your catalog. I would need the original Lightroom 5 catalog, not the version that has been upgraded for Lightroom 6. I would need just the catalog, and would not need any photos, previews, etc. Lightroom catalogs are much smaller when zipped, so you could zip it and then upload it to Dropbox, or a similar service, and send me a link. Or, if you prefer, I can contact you privately and give you login credentials for an Adobe ftp server that you could upload it to.
I'll have to ask my wife to see if she exported a collection for a single client then. I am 99.999% sure I didn't. But kowing the collections are backed up internally explains why they don't exist.
Although, it is odd that there is a folder called "Smart Collection Templates" and other folders hold the User Presets...
But I digress...
With 10 years in IT I am pretty methodical about directory structure, backup locations, and new versus old versions of catalogs, files, image versions etc.
The caveat...I am in the 7 month in a run of working about 15+ hours days, 7 days a week. My physical and mental exhaustion is real... so I am not counting out me being the problem... and in a sense I hope it is, but it's going to be very embarrassing.
I'll have to ask my wife to see if she exported a collection for a single client then. I am 99.999% sure I didn't.
With all due respect, why don't you just have your operating system search all of your hard disks for catalog files ... the name ends with .LRCAT. This removes the possibility of human memory errors from hampering the search.
I have received your catalog, and have tested upgrading it myself. The catalog you sent me looks identical in Lightroom 5 and Lightroom 6. All of the collections that show when opening this catalog in Lightroom 5 are also present when upgrading this catalog in Lightroom 6. I don't see any problem. I will message you privately with a link where you can download the upgraded catalog.
I've uploaded one already, it's also identical for me.
Okay...thank you all for checking the catalog I gave you.
I went through and looked at the directory structures on working drives and backup drives.
Backed up important files, folders, catalogs,...
Then ran 5.7.1 and CC
It does look like ---> I <--- was the problem.
There was a duplicate set of folders one level up from the working catalog
I'm not entirely sure why they are there in /Pictures/ because the backups are in the sub directory structure below and I put all the working catalog directories in "Lightroom" so it's a single location for backup/archive).
D:/Pictures/Lightroom/2015Sports (working catalog location)
In most cases I want to say I am very careful... but it appears in this case I was not.
Thank you all!!! (it appears the case of the missing collections has been solved...and it was the collector who did it in the office). :-\
Great, glad you got it figured out!