15 Replies Latest reply on Aug 12, 2017 6:05 AM by trshaner

    Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom

    vladm90210058 Level 1

      When in Develop mode everything looks great (i'm talking about night pictures, especially where there is dark sky). Once I finish working I transfer my tiff (that looks great in ANY zoom while in Develop mode) to jpeg - my settings are untouched and the jpeg pictures are a bit noisy in the sky with some halos and miscolored lines - frankly look completely different.


      Look at the sky - it looks horrible, some halos, no smoothness, some purple colors....


      1.jpg


      All of that I do NOT see in LR in tiff.


      Here's my settings when I transfer to jpeg:


      2.jpg


      In LR and in PS I work using ProPhoto RGB; when I transfer I use sRGB (but even if I use ProPhoto - same results). If open this tiff file in PS and transfer it to jpeg at maximum - same results.


      Please HELP!!!

        • 1. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
          ManiacJoe Adobe Community Professional

          Are your TIF file 8-bit or 16-bit color?

          Sounds like the 16-to-8 bit conversion is running out of colors to smooth out the shading.

          You might experiment with using AdobeRGB instead of ProphotoRGB and see if that helps at all.

          • 2. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
            trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            vladm90267370 wrote:

             

            When in Develop mode everything looks great (i'm talking about night pictures, especially where there is dark sky). Once I finish working I transfer my tiff (that looks great in ANY zoom while in Develop mode) to jpeg - my settings are untouched and the jpeg pictures are a bit noisy in the sky with some halos and miscolored lines - frankly look completely different.

            What processing are you doing to the image file in LR and then in PS? Please provide a screenshot of the LR Detail panel settings applied to the original camera image file before creating the TIFF file.

             

            • 3. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
              vladm90210058 Level 1

              16-bit.

              How to set AdobeRGB in LR?

               

              If you're talking about exporting to jpeg using AdobeRGB it doesn't work, same results.

              • 4. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
                vladm90210058 Level 1

                Yeah, it's all zeroes in my LR, so there's no problem there. I noticed that when I transfer from LR to PS as tiff the picture looks really bad in open areas like sky or water, miscolored, really horrible

                 

                _DSC4313-Edit.jpg

                 

                In PS if I save it as jpeg this is what i get. Now, when I do whatever I want to the image and transfer it back to LR all that dissappear but still when I save as jpeg some stuff remains in the pic. My color space set prophoto in LR and PS. I really need help with it.

                • 5. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
                  Ian Lyons MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                  It looks to me that you have a monitor calibration issue. The image in Photoshop and Lr should be identical or very close.

                  • 6. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
                    trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    vladm90267370 wrote:

                     

                    Yeah, it's all zeroes in my LR, so there's no problem there. I noticed that when I transfer from LR to PS as tiff the picture looks really bad in open areas like sky or water, miscolored, really horrible

                    What is the "original file" type you are using in LR (Camera Raw, TIFF, JPEG)? If it is a camera raw file (NEF, CR2, DNG, etc) you need to apply Sharpening and Noise Reduction to it in the LR Develop module. Does the "original file" look the same when viewed in the Library module as in the Develop module? If not how does it differ?

                    • 7. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
                      Jao vdL Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      What does the jpeg look like when you reimport back into Lightroom?

                      • 8. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
                        vladm90210058 Level 1

                        Ok, here are my findings:

                         

                        • In LR I use RAW (Sony ARW)
                        • I checked Detail panel in LR and again, before I do anything with my raw files I set everything to 0 in Detail (but even if I would leave it as default (25) it wouldn't make the difference)
                        • BUT: The image does look different in Library and in Develop. In develop it's smooth in the sky and no lines with halos or anything of that sort. In Library it's a bit "dirtier" in the sky and with some noticeable lines in the sky (like shades) as if LR in Library doesn't have any resolution (or colors) to smooth it out. But in Develop it does a great job - looks great.
                        • Now for the experiment sake I imported a raw file into LR, I did not do anything to it (except bringing Exposure down to -0.80), I checked again Detail page and set to 0 everything there, and compared the image in Library and in Develop: same crap, some lines in Library and great in Develop.
                        • I performed all that on another laptop with the same results.

                         

                        What is going on? Please could anyone help me?

                        • 10. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
                          vladm90210058 Level 1

                          Just to make it better to understand.

                           

                          Here's a pic in LR in Library mode (see the dark sky and some pixels showing, some dark purple colors, looks really bad)

                           

                          2.jpg

                           

                          I can't give you the pic in Develop mode for in order to show smoothness and a nice look I need to upload the tiff file (remember: if I transfer from tiff to jpeg in LR the quality as it is in Library mode) but believe me in tiff file in Develop mode the sky looks nice, and transition between darker and lighter areas in the sky is smooth and fine.

                          • 11. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
                            vladm90210058 Level 1

                            And btw I understand the difference in quality between Lib and Dev mode and I don't really care about it, my concern is why LR exports from tiff to jpeg with a "quality" that you see in Lib mode - that's the problem for me. And again it is only noticeable in gradient parts of the picture i.e. sky or water, where you go slightly from light to dark and vice versa. Also if I open this tiff in PS and export it to jpeg with maximum quality - same bad results and jpeg's "quality" is visible anywhere: in ACD See app, on Flickr, etc.

                             

                            Need help with it, really, for I do a lot of night photography and smoothing it out in various programs using masks and what not doesn't help much - it is still noticeable but again looks smooth and great in tiff in dev mode in LR.

                            • 12. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
                              trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                              vladm90210058 wrote:

                               

                              And btw I understand the difference in quality between Lib and Dev mode and I don't really care about it, my concern is why LR exports from tiff to jpeg with a "quality" that you see in Lib mode - that's the problem for me. And again it is only noticeable in gradient parts of the picture i.e. sky or water, where you go slightly from light to dark and vice versa. Also if I open this tiff in PS and export it to jpeg with maximum quality - same bad results and jpeg's "quality" is visible anywhere: in ACD See app, on Flickr, etc.

                              I reported this issue over three years ago: Lightroom: Low Quality Downscaled Views in the Develop Module – Part II Adobe considers this "Not a problem" and for most images it isn't an issue.  More here: Re: Develop module & library module aren't matching

                               

                              ISSUE #1 - Noise Reduction

                              Concerning the posted "night shots' you say, "I checked Detail panel in LR and again, before I do anything with my raw files I set everything to 0 in Detail (but even if I would leave it as default (25) it wouldn't make the difference)."

                               

                              Most night scenes are shot with high ISO and/or long shutter  times to achieve proper exposure. This increases noise levels in the image and requires using the Luminance and Color Noise Reduction controls to reduce the noise. You need to adjust them at 1:1 Zoom view and then adjust the Sharpening controls to restore edge detail. You may then need to go back and increase the Noise Reduction controls slightly. It's a fine balance and with high ISO images you may need to sacrifice some sharpness at the 1:1 view to keep noise levels low.  If you plan on doing further editing in PS I also suggest that the Basic panel controls also  be properly adjusted before creating the TIFF file. With these LR settings applied tried creating the JPEG file again.

                               

                              ISSUE #2 - Incompatible Monitor Profile

                              As

                              • 13. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
                                williamm1197326 Level 1

                                Hey there, I just pulled this topic up in a search for the same issue you posted here. I am having the exact same issue that you described here, library and develop module not matching. Develop module image looks great then library image looks lesser quality. Once exported to JPEG the image has a lot of noise and halos. I am using a 2017 macbook pro 15", so I do not think this is the problem. Plus when I email the image to myself after having been exported to JPEG the same noise shows up when viewed on my Iphone or other tablet.

                                 

                                Have you solved this issue? Any help would be awesome, THX!

                                • 14. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
                                  dj_paige Level 9

                                  Show us screen captures. Show us the photo as it appears in LR. Show us the photo as it appears outside of LR. Show us your export settings.

                                  • 15. Re: Quality drop when export from tiff to jpeg in Lightroom
                                    trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    Please also show us a screenshot or the settings used in the Detail panel. These settings are what generally causes differences between the Develop module screen image and Library/Export rendering.