6 Replies Latest reply on Jun 9, 2015 11:39 AM by Alp Er Tunga

    Linked smart objects

    Alp Er Tunga Level 1

      In my workflow, I open DNG files as smart objects in Ps and I'm using these newly created TIFF files as my final images for printing, exporting etc ...

      I'm not embedding DNGs in TIFFs ... I'm using DNGs as linked smart objects as I don't like making corrections in ACR later.

      If there is a point which should be corrected after creating TIFFs, I make my corrections in Lr and then I'm updating those corrections in TIFFs.

       

      I would like to ask ... has this work flow any potential to create a problem in the future?

      Should I embed DNGs in TIFFs?

        • 1. Re: Linked smart objects
          99jon Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          No. Tiffs are generally bigger files. In fact I don't think you can embed a DNG.

           

          You could archive your DNG and remove from the LR catalog if you have no further use. Then treat your tiff as the new master file.

          • 2. Re: Linked smart objects
            Alp Er Tunga Level 1

            Hi Jon ... as I said, I'm using DNGs in Lr for correcting linked smart objects in TIFFs ... so I can't remove them from the catalog.

            I'm asking a different thing,

            Anyway thanks.

            • 3. Re: Linked smart objects
              99jon Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              Sorry if I misunderstood. I still don't see how you could embed a raw image into a pixel based image.

              • 4. Re: Linked smart objects
                Alp Er Tunga Level 1

                Just send a raw file from Lr to Ps by "Open as Smart Object in Photoshop" ... and the raw file will be embedded in the resulting TIFF.

                • 5. Re: Linked smart objects
                  trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  Alper Tonga wrote:

                  I would like to ask ... has this work flow any potential to create a problem in the future?

                  Should I embed DNGs in TIFFs?

                  The biggest problem is that a linked raw file can be easily deleted by mistake, since it is separate from the smart object TIFF file.

                   

                  From a file size perspective you're not saving much by using linked vs embedded smart objects (300 MB smart object file - 30 MB raw file = 270 MB file). This does enable editing the linked raw file in LR, but don't you need to go back into PS to see how the smart object TIFF image looks with the PS layer edits added? How is this a benefit in a primarily LR focused workflow?

                   

                  LR adjust raw file> PS adjust smart object TIFF file> Save TIFF edits to file in PS> LR adjust raw file> PS view LR raw file changes to Smart Object TIFF file> Save smart object TIFF file in PS to apply LR raw file changes> LR Print Output

                   

                  You will also need to enable or manually apply  'Save Metadata to File' in LR for the LR raw file editing changes to appear in the Smart Object TIFF file.

                   

                  Don't get me wrong Linked Smart Objects are helpful when creating complex documents with multiple "placed" smart object files. But these are primarily PS focused workflows. Maybe I'm missing something?

                  • 6. Re: Linked smart objects
                    Alp Er Tunga Level 1

                    As I always create a layered TIFF in my workflow for using some filters undestructively, using "linked smart objects " or " embedded smart objects" in my TIFFs does not create any great difference on my workload.

                    With linked smart objects, the only extra step is ... I have to save metadata chages when I make changes in Lr.

                     

                    So ... maybe the only drawback is that raw files can be deleted by mistake as you said.

                     

                    Thanks a lot trshaner for your assistance.