16 Replies Latest reply on Dec 15, 2017 6:50 AM by jhlacy

    Layer bars disappearing from layers panel

    georgeisgettinupset

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      I'm having some trouble with AE CS6. In the above screenshot you can see I have a layer selected that's within view of the composition preview window and the layers panel, yet there's no bar/element in the layers panel. You can still see the position keyframes that mark where the layer bar should be in the timeline, approximately. Anyone know what's going on here? Again, the layer is within view, I'm not the stupid

        • 1. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
          Rick Gerard Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          Try expanding the timeline and see what you see. You're pushed way in.

          • 2. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
            georgeisgettinupset Level 1

            Still missing, unfortunately.

             

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            • 3. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
              Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              What version of AE are you running? I know you said CS6, but is it version 11.0.4? If not, update.

              Also, try clearing all your caches in AE and then restart your computer.

              • 4. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
                jhlacy Level 1

                Did you figure out a solution? I"m having this exact same problem all of a sudden.

                • 5. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
                  Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  jhlacy wrote:

                   

                  Did you figure out a solution? I"m having this exact same problem all of a sudden.

                  Same question to you about version of AE. Also, please show us a screenshot of your problem.

                  • 6. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
                    jhlacy Level 1

                    Running CC14 because CC15 is still so glitchy (in my opinion). I ended up opening it in CC15 and saving it then re-opening in 14 and the layers are back. Very odd though. I've got about 1,000 layers in this projects, so maybe it was just overload? Anyway, thanks for trying to help!

                    • 7. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
                      Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      No problem!

                      Have you tried CC 2015 with the 13.7.x update? It works pretty well for me on both my Mac and Windows machines. (13.7.1 on Windows and 13.7.2 on Mac). I don't even open CC 2014 anymore unless I'm testing something for a forum or Reddit person or trying to render with multiprocessing.

                      • 8. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
                        Rick Gerard Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        1000 + layers is the problem. If you need the 1000 + layers in the 4:45 comp then I'd split the comp into sections. I do these kinds of info graphic animations all the time and seldom have a single comp that covers more then a sentence or two of narration. I discovered long ago that AE is best suited for making shots or short sequences and editing is better left to a NLE.

                         

                        Just guessing here, but if you are indeed trying to explain something with animated graphics you are going to be able to get things done much faster if you cut up your audio track into sentences or phrases that are no longer than a few seconds then combine those comps and edit them in either a NLE or if you must stay in AE in a new comp comprised of your nested comps. These kinds of projects, especially when you are doing them for a client, always involve changes. Fixing the timing in a comp with a thousand layers can be really time consuming. Sliding around some keyframes or changing out an element in a comp that has 50 layers goes much faster.

                        • 9. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
                          jhlacy Level 1

                          Appreciate all the feedback. I understand that AE is not necessarily designed to handle that many layers in a single comp, but it just works well with my workflow. That being said, CC 2015 freezes up on me all the time and just shows nothing in the composition window for 5 to 10 minutes at a time (see screenshot) when working with "complex" project (either lots of layers or with 3D layers), whereas 2014 still handles them just fine. Really hoping for a 2015/2016 update soon, as I'm frustrated with the current performance. I know Adobe is working hard to improve overall performance, so looking forward to seeing what they come up with to fix some of the current bugs.

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                          • 10. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
                            jhlacy Level 1

                            And here is a screenshot of the layers disappearing in the timeline. The highlighted audio layers still play audio as if they are there, but do not display the actual layer bar so I can't move them in the timeline or adjust their in/out points at all.

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                            • 11. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
                              Dave LaRonde Level 6

                              It appears that you're trying to use AE as an audio editing application, and that is a VERY BAD idea.  There are far better, more precise audio editing applications.  Adobe Audition comes to mind.

                               

                              Moreover, you're using mp3's, which compounds your problems.  AE and compressed audio don't play nicely together.  AE performs in a hit-or-miss fashion with just one layer of compressed audio.  You have many, so your chances of erratic behavior -- either audio OR video -- can only go up.

                               

                              Finally, AE is perhaps the planet's worst audio application.  It really sucks.  But then, it was built for video, and any audio effects are simply afterthoughts.

                               

                              Learn how to use Audition.  It isn't hard.  Export a wav or aiff file from it for use in AE.  Your life should get better.

                              • 12. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
                                jhlacy Level 1

                                Hi Dave, appreciate the response. I use Audition all the time and love it, but the workflow is not ideal in this case. I work on 5-15 minute motion graphics pieces and when the VO is too quick or too slow for the animation it just makes more sense to duplicate the layer and adjust in/out points in AE, as opposed to doing it outside of the application. You may disagree with tis solution, but I've been working in Adobe products for a while now and have found this to be the only workable way of getting projects done in a timely manner. That being said, when I project is near completion and I'm happy with the timing of the edited audio, I will render out just the audio tracks, give it a final once over in Audition and bring it back in as a singular AIFF or WAV file.

                                 

                                Again, fully respect and appreciate your advice, but it's not applicable in my case. This also does not get to the root of the bug, as to why layers are actually disappearing. It's not just audio layers either, it happens with solids, adjustments, footage, etc.

                                • 13. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
                                  ayubekk

                                  So, i had the same problem, so how to fix this ? My bar is disappear too. Help please

                                  • 14. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
                                    Rick Gerard Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    First, make sure your version of AE is up to date. There is a bug in some if not all versions when you get a huge number of layers. The layer bars disappear. If you are not current then update. If you are current then there is a workaround.

                                     

                                    More than 1000 layers in a comp is completely nuts and inefficient and you should not be doing it. All of the screenshots in this thread show many hundreds of layers in some kind of edited AE comp that is 15 or 20 minutes long. I will say it again, you should not be editing long movies in AE. Your comps should be limited to single shots or short sequences no longer than a single phrase, thought or sentence. You edit in a NLE, you build shots you can't build anywhere else in AE.

                                     

                                    If you have to have that many layers and the layer bars start to disappear then select a hundred or so layers and pre-compose them. Pre-comps are nothing to be afraid of.

                                     

                                    I recently did a 8-minute explainer video that was all animated. There were 27 comps in the project. Each comp had between 15 and 20 layers. Each comp covered at most a couple of sentences. I did nest all 27 of the comps in a master comp and sequence them to render the first draft for the client to approve. Guess what, 4 of the comps had to be changed. Both the audio and video. If the entire project was in one comp there would have been about 700 layers to shift around. Because the workflow is efficient it only took about an hour to make all of the changes, then another half hour to render re-render the 4 edited comps. While they were rendering I polished up the audio track and added some sound effects in Audition, then spent about 20 minutes in Premiere Pro polishing the edit using the new renders and the original DI I rendered for the client to approve. That's how you get things done. If the entire project was in one comp the changes, the sound effects and music mix and the rendering could have easily taken a couple of days.

                                     

                                    If you must use a 1000 or more layers in a single comp that is more than 4 or 5 minutes long, and you have tried updating AE, and you still can't see the layer bars, try pre-composing a hundred or so layers and see if that makes the timeline work again. If you refuse to break up your comp into manageable sections I would also suggest you get a medic alert necklace so the paramedics can find you when you've fallen and can't get up. Let us know which rubber room they take you to so we can send a card.

                                    • 16. Re: Layer bars disappearing from layers panel
                                      jhlacy Level 1

                                      While Rick Gerard does have a decent point about using pre-comps, it's a bit preachy and doesn't actually help you out. To answer your question, I purged all memory/disc cache, closed the project and restarted my computer. Was fine after that.

                                       

                                      I'd love to see this 8-minute animated explainer video that Rick talks through his process of. It seems like an overly simplistic approach, so my guess is that it's not a very complicated animation. Some of us need to keep hundreds of layers in a single comp. That doesn't mean we don't use pre-comps, but pre-comps with many layers in them are a real pain to try to fix when changing audio in complicated projects.

                                       

                                      Everyone's workflow is different, but from my experience if you're working on high-end motion graphics or 2D animations, keeping as much as possible in a single comp is the way to go. Albeit, you need to have the computing power to support it.