How exactly was the text added, and what choices/properties/tools/effects were used?
Text box - not a jpeg. Orator Std, Medium. No special effects other than being gray.
Is the text selectable in Acrobat?
Do you use transparency anywhere?
What PDF export settings do you use (related to transparency and PDF version)?
What program did you use to show up the PDF?
Are you sure that no stroke is applied?
Yes, the text appears selectable (ie. it is highlighted when I doubleclick it)
I believe I didn't use any transparency.
PDF export settings:
Compatibility - Acrobat 5 (PDF 1.4)
Export Layers - Export Visible & Printable Layers
I didn't see anything else calling out transparency...
I use Adobe Acrobat to open the PDF after exporting.
How can I tell if "no stroke" is applied? Are you referring to Font properties?
The font has 0 pt stroke attached to it...
I would definitely get rid of that. An outlined font cannot use hints. (Note: a stroke of 0 points is not no stroke)
Test Screen Name wrote:
(Note: a stroke of 0 points is not no stroke)
It would be if the color is set to None. There is no option for no stroke other than that.
Sorry to make you spell it out for me, but what do you mean "An outlined font cannot use hints." How should I get rid of it? What are you suggesting my settings should be? Thanks!
"Gap Color" under Stroke was already set to "None"
I don'y know why it is outlined, in InDesign terms. But if it is outlined, then it has to be drawn as a shape, and all the clever optimizations that make fonts smooth and sharp are lost. We are assuming it is outlined, since I can't think of any other possible causes. Gap colour is not the only setting, I'm sure.
Again, sorry to be dense, but how do I know if this font is outlined? I just selected this font and started typing. What I mean to say is, how can I confirm that it is outlined, and is the only way to fix it to select a different font? Thanks.
Perhaps it isn't. Maybe we need to look at the file. I suggest you share it and post the URL (you cannot email it or post it to the forum). If the contents are sensitive make a new blank document with only the text -- check it has the problem (important!) and post it somewhere.
Will Do! But.. never done that before. Can you point me towards a site to do this?
Do you mean Dropbox?
Yes, Dropbox would be a good choice.
You can also check, if the result is outlined (converted to path!) in Acrobat Pro.
Just try to select the text with the text editing tool. If you can select it, it is not converted to path.
However, it could be, that the editable text has a stroke value.
You can also check that in Acrobat Pro by using the Object Inspector of the Preview Panel and click at the text (or whatever it is) that is supposed to be outlined.
Position the cursor carefully at the edge of the text at 2000% zoom:
Other checks with more information are also possible using Acrobat Pro's Preflight capabilities…
Hm. You uoloaded the InDesign file. That's alright.
But I think, I'd like to have a look at the PDF as well.
I noticed two things with the gray text.
The fill is set to C 44.4. M 29.75. Y 27.42 K 0.08
The stroke. even thought it is set to 0 uses the same color as the fill.
The registration of the colors on 14 pt text would be almost impossible to maintain.
Perhaps, just a tint of black rather than a 4 color CMYK will solve the problem.
Note, make sure you are setting the tint of black in the Color/Swatches panel.
Do NOT use opacity to change the color.
Also the smaller gray text (but not the VIKTORIA) was typed in lower case and the case was changed to upper case.
I don't think this is the issue, just an observation.
4 color gray and small text is not a good idea.
in principal there is no real problem with your design.
But to avoid the effect you are seeing in the PDF, do the following:
Use no color for the strokes:
How would you do it?
Select the text frame, select the small "T" in the Swatches Panel to get the formatting of the text, switch to strokes if necessary by typing x and set the stroke color to "[None]".
Did you put the text on a different layer than the image, and the text layer must be above the image layer, best on top of everything.
I believe you must have added a weight to the stroke, then set the fill, not the stroke, to None...
For what it's worth, there is no problem in your PDF when viewed here.
AH WAIT! In my previous attachment I had changed the text color to None, but I just tried it with the outline set to None (duh), et voila! It appeared to have fixed that problem. Thanks, Uwe. Thanks, all.
1. Before doing anything with the colors, unselect everything and inspect the Swatches Panel.
There is a gradient applied to the stroke setting for graphic frames. I'd change that to "[None]".
2. I noticed, that the applied color for the text is an unnamed color.
You can add all unnamed colors to the Swatches Panel.
I did that in your supplied document:
Three named additional colors were created:
"C=0 M=0 Y=0 K=100"
"R=149 G=162 B=170" *
"R=0 G=0 B=100"
* This RGB color is used for the text. I'd convert that to CMYK:
Example: Your RGB color with my personal color settings will yield to "C=44.4 M=29.75 Y=27.42 K=0.08" CMYK after conversion; that will make a bluish gray with (nearly) no black. Your values will vary depending on your color settings.
Speak to your printers how they would like to print that color.
Consider, that you are using the color for fine elements (text).
The other two colors could / should be removed and replaced with "[Black]".
OK OK - Uwe, it;s going to take me a few minutes to digest and enact everything you wrote so a question or two might bubble up in a minute. Let's see how it goes! Thanks for the extra tips.
1. Done and Done
2. I'm not following. Do you think I should just change this grayish "unnamed" fonts to a true grayscale? That doesn't bother me visually, if it's better for the file.
I tint of [Black] will print as dots, and be a little fuzzy, but probably sharper than a four-color mix for small sizes, so unless this is going on a press and you want to pay extra for a spot color for gray type, my answer would be yes, convert that to a grayscale tint for anything smaller than say 14 pts, and do them all if they are supposed to match.
it will depend on the press and the raster system that is used.
If it is a high-quality one and the bluish color should be preserved at no extra cost, a CMY-approach for the color would be fine.
Simply converting to grayscale using a tint of color "[Black]" would be a compromise designwise.
I've seen blue colors like the one above printed very well on good equipment with about 200 lines per inch.
So, I think Manny should ask the printers.
That text may well be large enough to print as CMYK successfully, and yes it would look nicer if it does, but I don't have a lot of confidence in doing it with a color that has no 100% or near 100% component (but that's just me). By all means,the printer should be consulted.
I just wanted to say that I appreciate all of you taking the time to help me. And thanks especially for your patience with my slow comprehension. Cheers.