9 Replies Latest reply on Sep 23, 2015 4:22 PM by photoviews

    Lightroom won't "forget" images

    photoviews

      This is related to the problem I described here. I used the "Remove" command to get LR to forget a folder of images. (I had edited a copy of the same images on my laptop, exported the catalog and negatives onto a flash drive, and then wanted to import these images to my desktop computer, using "Import from another catalog".) Since the desktop computer's LR still had the original, unedited images, I removed them so I could import the catalog with the edited images and avoid any duplicate image issues. But LR still somehow "knows" that the images were once in the catalog. It won't let me import anything from the catalog I exported from the laptop. In the dialog box, the thumbnails are greyed out, I can't check the box next to the folder, it says "none found" next to both "new photos" and "changed existing photos", and instead says "193 found" next to "existing photos that are missing." The import button is greyed out, no matter what I try to select.

       

      How does it know these are "missing" photos? I removed them from LR. Then deleted them too, just to be sure. LR shouldn't know they ever existed, and the images I'm now trying to import should look to LR like new images. What's going on?

        • 1. Re: Lightroom won't "forget" images
          dj_paige Level 9

          Is it possible you imported the photos twice, and then removed them once?

           

          What happens if you search for these photos? You can find them by following ALL of these four steps:

           

          1. In the Library Module, on the left under Catalog, click on All Photographs
          2. Expand all stacks (Photo->Stacking->Expand All Stacks)
          3. Turn off all filters (Ctrl-L once or twice)
          4. Search for at least one of these photos by file name using the Lightroom Filter Bar
          • 2. Re: Lightroom won't "forget" images
            photoviews Level 1

            DJ,

            Thanks for the suggestion. I followed those steps, and searched for several of the images--none were found.

            • 3. Re: Lightroom won't "forget" images
              photoviews Level 1

              I tried a workaround, which didn't work. Since LR identifies duplicate photos as ones with the same filename, plus some other matching characteristics, I went back to the catalog I exported the images from and renamed them all. Exported them to a different catalog, and attempted to import them again, from this new catalog, and the same problem exists--it doesn't recognize them as new photos, rather, as "existing photos that are missing." So it still doesn't even allow me to update the metadata on the so-called existing photos, as they don't really exist. Ugh.

              • 4. Re: Lightroom won't "forget" images
                dj_paige Level 9

                Exporting does not remove the photos from the existing catalog.

                 

                I still think that the photos are in the catalog, and that you should try my four step procedure again, being extremely careful to get it right.

                • 5. Re: Lightroom won't "forget" images
                  photoviews Level 1

                  I didn't export the photos in order to delete them from the existing catalog. To do that, I used the "remove" command. The export I just did was from the catalog on my laptop, where I had edited them--I renamed them before exporting again in the hope that LR on my desktop wouldn't think they were duplicate photos, but that didn't work. (In retrospect it shouldn't work, as I think it searches by original filename, not current filename.

                   

                  So it does suggest the catalog still knows about the original images, but I only imported them once, then I removed them from the catalog. I followed your steps again, to the letter, then searched for some of the photos by filename. Nothing. I also searched by date taken. If they exist in the catalog one or more should have appeared, but none did. I'm stumped.

                  • 6. Re: Lightroom won't "forget" images
                    dj_paige Level 9

                    Okay, then I'm stumped. Sorry.

                    • 7. Re: Lightroom won't "forget" images
                      Just Shoot Me Adobe Community Professional

                      If you used a File Manager program to Remove the images from your hard drive they are still being registered in LR. You must use LR to Remove these images from the catalog.

                       

                      Select all these images and Right Click on one of them and select "Remove Photos" from the menu that comes up (it is near the bottom of the list). I dialog box will come up with 3 options, Delete from Disk, Remove and Cancel. You would select Remove. Once you do that you can then import them again from that other catalog

                      • 8. Re: Lightroom won't "forget" images
                        Just Shoot Me Adobe Community Professional

                        LR is not a File Manager. It is a DATABASE program. Once a entry has been made in the database the only way to remove it is with that same Database program to delete the reference to that entry.

                        • 9. Re: Lightroom won't "forget" images
                          photoviews Level 1

                          I did use LR to remove the images (rather than the file manager), which is why I can't understand LR identifying the incoming edited images as already existing in the catalog. Later, I did also delete the images from that folder using file manager, just in case LR was still somehow referencing them, but that made no difference. (I know, I was grasping at straws here.)

                          I described everything I did that led up to the problem here.

                           

                          My original mistake was using file manager to copy the original negatives to my laptop to edit, rather than exporting as a catalog. I won't make that mistake again. But I'm still stuck for a solution.