4k on a LOT of desktop editing machines runs ... s l o w l y ... not saying it isn't possible, but ... wow ... you're asking a LOT.
Any codec coming off that camera onto a drive is both 1- LARGE requiring a TON of reading/transfer of data to mobo and 2- requires a LOT of CPU for decoding. More than double the work of "2k" or standard HD 1080.
Now ... those preview image files are also going to be bigger requiring more space/transfer work ...
Remember for d-tops, the recommended disc layout is either a system disc (SSD preferably) and a 4-6 disc of 3-4TB drives in striped hardware RAID ... or 5 discs or so like this, all internal or if external, Thunderbolt or eSATA II:
D- image/media caches & database
and somewhere ... maybe H- ... exports.
All this, on a d-top with a fast CPU with many cores and 32Gb of RAM or better just to get playback during editing smooth. Oh, and a dedicated (massive) video card with over a thousand "late-model" CUDA cores and 2Gb or better fast new vRAM.
Yep, there are people editing on laptops ... I'd go to the hardware forum and search back and ask questions.
If you reposted to get more advice - I suspect no one else is going to reply because that's the correct answer in as few words as is possible.
And who wants a 4K monitor? Or a living room big enough for 4K TVs to be useful. And when will there be enough 4K playback gear in circulation and low priced cable bandwidth to make it mainstream? 4K is great in the first 6 rows of a theater, beyond that it does not matter. Until someone redesigns the human eye 4K video looks to me like a way to sell more gear. For now gear that will be tossed long before 4K content is useful.
Sorry I reposted because I couldn't find my original post, so I thought I hadn't submitted it successfully.
Very useful info on that link above...
Think this looks perfect, though
- CPU could be a little better
- GPU (despite lots of RAM) wants to be 980m
Also, while those links are useful, they're a little old (2013?) and refer lots to RED 4K, but not to the kind of material I'll be working with with the A7Sii. Which I imagine would be a little less challenging.
I just found this on the video formats on your A7S ii
AVCHD Ver. 2.0, MP4, MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, XAVC S
4K XAVC S
3840 x 2160p / 29.97 fps (100 Mbps)
I have an Sony FDR-AX100 which for the 4K format at maximum resolution is identical. I just edited my first shoot a simple birthday party for a very good friend which resulted in 44 clips and about 50 minutes. I did not have to do any color effects except on one or two clips, I worked the 4K 100 Mbit/second XAVC-S timeline without any problems on this laptop cutting the usual garbage ends, I also did a few post zooms.
Do not forget that to do laptop video editing you MUST be connected to tha AC lines. My laptop has an i7-4700HQ quad-core hyperthreaded CPU with 24 GB of RAM and a overclocked GTX 765M GPU. The OS/Applications drive is 128 GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD and while it has a second SSD (a Samsung 840 256 GB drive) it was not used in this edit, instead I have a 512 GB Samsung T1 USB3 drive that contained the XAVC-S media and the other project files. I could have exported on this laptop but it is so much slower than my desk top computer that I simple walked the Samsung T1 over to it and then exported to H.264 Blu-ray and MPEG2-DVD and wrote out the ISO images.
Just to see what would happen I turned off the GPU acceleration and sure enough the whole timeline turned red.
I sure wish I could afford and find a laptop with a single Samsung SM951 M.2 internal drive, lots of memory and of course a large screen. It would sure cut the weight of this 10-pounder. My guess it will not be too long.
Having 4-6 hard drives is a thing of the past.with the amazing speed of these new devices
P.S. This happened to be with CS6
Bill ... always self-humbled over tech stuff in your 'presence' ...
I would note ... your laptop has "guts" well above many that people have come on here asking how to get to work with PrPro. Second, you intentionally didn't apply the full panoply of "effects" that many users dive into. Third, you used Cs6 (which in my experience is a bit easier on lesser hardware) rather than say CC2015. And fourth, you exported on a desktop as even on your rig it would be ... slow. In other words, you know what you're doing already in using both gear & hardware. Which considering all the work you've done on the Tweaker's Page (and folks, Bill is THE Man there!) is only to be expected.
Yea, so looking forward to M.2 storage getting down in price ... and I don't think it's going to need to 'fall' too far, as you're right, using one good-sized M.2 drive in place of 4-6 3Tb or better drives and managing all those connections physically ... means an M.2 drive can still be pricier than an equivalent size "standard" drive or combo of SSD's ... and still be equivalent in cost for running on a system.
A lot of Bill's stuff is newer ... the last few on say video cards & drive arrangements date within the last 3-4 months for example. Plus the info on planning usage, even to codecs & such, still pretty much stands. Now, as he notes in his comment to you ... as M.2 drives become more cost-available (and built-in connections on even laptop mobo's "arrive") the whole many-disk thing will fade.
That Tweaker's Page is still the best place for up-to-date info on the Adobe DVA's and PC use. Real-time, tested ... never theoretical.
If this OP has "1700 British Pound equals $2578.39 US Dollar" they would have absolutely no problem getting a current laptop that would far surpass my almost 2 year old design of my laptop that I engineered for $1500 with all the current new technology
Just for further your info.
I just took my project to CC2015 and added an adjustment layer over the 50 minute length and adjust the Fast Color Corrector and the Gamma of this simple project and played about 10 minutes of a complex segment without any loss of frames at full resolution. I also double checked the location of the Media Cache Files and the Media Cache Database an they are on the default Boot drive location.
The only really new technology on this laptop that I have fallen in love with is USB 3.0 really high speed ports and flash drives typified by the new Samsung T1 which is several times faster than any hard disk drive. See below
Actual export write rate from our Premiere Benchmark is 176 MB/seconds probably due to the USB 3 overhead.that is one of the reasons I go to the X99 platform for exporting. Maybe when we get USB 3.1 Flash Drives and ports it will become a better solution. But remember I have a Samsung 840 Pro internally that I have not used much but with all the files on the Samsung T1 and the export to the internal second SSD the Premiere write transfer rate from PPBM is 500 MB/second.
Fascinating. I was wondering if your USB port was a 3.1 or 3.0, but still 3.0. Ok.
You're getting some pretty good work outta that puppy ...
Just checked ... $213 over at Amazon on Prime, $250 at Newegg. Not bad for that kind of performance over a USB3.0 port!
Neil unfortunately my my X99 motherboard is not 3.1 upgradeable, I would need a separate card. My 2-year old laptop of course is only 3.0 but it is really neat to sit in my very comfortable family room chair and do my editing.
Of course the other neat thing is you can go for the full 1 TB one also.
Got a place for a cuppa beside you I'm sure ...
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Got a place for a beer beside you I'm sure ...
A man after me own heart ... ahhh ....
Thank you all so much.
I've gone for this - 2nd hand and a steal methinks. Pretty uncompromising
on specs though (apart from the CPU which I wish was more than 2.5ghz..)
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so I'll try and remember to let you guys know how it goes - poke me if I
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Be interested in hearing about the progress ...
I have the EXACT same laptop as Bill....an Asus G750JW. It is almost a two year old model now,but, with the 24 GB of memory we each upgraded to, and the installation of fast SSDs, these machines work pretty well, even though the 765m NVidia GPU only has 2 GB of video memory.
The new models available today offer much better performance. Our CPUs turbo up to 3.4 Ghz, on all 4 cores which REALLY helps performance, as the base frequency is only 2.4 Ghz.
The best of the CURRENT Asus gaming laptops have only a SLIGHT increase in CPU speed over our 2 year old model......they go from 2.5Ghz to 3.5 Ghz turbo on all cores.
However, the current model below is selling on Amazon for $1,789 U.S. and has a Blue-Ray writer, 32 GB memory, an SSD and a 2 TB 7200rpm HDD.
ASUS G751JT 17.3" i7-4710HQ 32GB 250GB SSD + 2TB HDD Nvidia 970M 3GB Full HD Blu Ray Win 8.1 Laptop
You may want to consider this model,or, see if you can find a "refurbished" G750JW like I found at half-price that you can upgrade yourself. My laptop actually would take 32GB of memory, but, one of the slots is inaccessible under the keyboard, so, I had to settle for 24GB....which is fine. Our laptop with a slightly better video card that has at least 3 or 4 GB of video memory would be the best Asus deal.
My laptop also has an HDMI 1.4 port for connecting a 4K monitor @30 frames per second, or, a 2560 x 1440p monitor @60 fps. In addition, it also has a "mini display port" which is ALSO called " Thunderbolt version 1 " THAT port ALSO will connect a 4K monitor @ 30fps,or, a 2560 x 1440p monitor @ 60 fps.
As we speak, my Asus laptop is powering THREE screens with NO problem......two matching 27 inch 2560 x 1440p @ 60 fps IPS monitors AND the built in 17.3" screen on the laptop !!! I think the NEWER Asus laptops with the 970m or 980m GPUs can run a 4K monitor at 60 fps because of the HDMI 2.0 standard it has.
Good hunting and good luck !!