You simply do not have enough CPU horsepower to acceptably edit 4K video material. That i7-4770 has only four physical cores, and it cannot be overclocked at all. Nor does the H87 chipset permit overclocking of the CPU at all. You need more cores and threads than what the mainstream CPU platforms offer in order to effectively edit anything above 1080p. This means that you will need to upgrade to an overclockable hexa-core/12-thread or better CPU such as an i7-5820K on an X99 motherboard and DDR4 RAM in order to comfortably edit 4K.
My guess is you don't have a SSD drive..... ??
My guess is that it may be only a single hard drive system Do you have disk drive indexing turned off?
After your advice I changed motherboard, CPU and Memory
OS Name Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601 Other OS Description Not Available OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation System Manufacturer ASUS System Model ASUS X99-A System Type x64-based PC Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz, 2900 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 1702, 4/10/2015 SMBIOS Version 2.8 Windows Directory C:\Windows System Directory C:\Windows\system32 Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume5 Locale United States Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.1.7601.17514" Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 32.0 GB - 4x 8 at 2666mhz Total Physical Memory 31.9 GB Available Physical Memory 25.2 GB Total Virtual Memory 63.8 GB Available Virtual Memory 55.6 GB Page File Space 31.9 GB Adapter Type GeForce GTX 970, NVIDIA compatible Adapter Description NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 Adapter RAM (1,048,576) bytes
I did expect to have smother video but it is not. GTX 970 has 4gb ram but its not showing, Mercury Playback CUDA is enabled - Still video playback is crappy
If you have an Idea what to change next I really appreciate your help
Change disk setup.
What 4K media are you dealing with ie codec?
Like cc_merchant said update your storage system. With this new motherboard you are blessed with the new ultra high speed M.2 socket. Buy a 512Gb SM951 M.2 SSD or wait a few weeks and get a newer Samsung 950 PRO M.2 SSD when they become available. Use this drive for your project files and you will solve your problems. Also it would help if you clone your OS/Applications to a good SATA III SSD like the Samsung 850 Pro..
Why won't you give us any information on your present disk system?
Ok thanks for help. Currently I have following:
Drive C: Description Local Fixed Disk File System NTFS Size 931.51 GB (1,000,202,039,296 bytes) Drive E: Description Local Fixed Disk Compressed No File System NTFS Size 931.51 GB (1,000,202,240,000 bytes) Drive F: Description Local Fixed Disk Compressed No File System NTFS Size 195.30 GB (209,703,661,568 bytes) Drive G: Description Local Fixed Disk Compressed No File System NTFS Size 316.64 GB (339,990,278,144 bytes) Drive H: Description Local Fixed Disk Compressed No File System NTFS Size 419.57 GB (450,508,091,392 bytes) Drive L: Description Local Fixed Disk Compressed No File System NTFS Size 650.00 GB (697,932,181,504 bytes) Drive O: Description Local Fixed Disk Compressed No File System NTFS Size 563.01 GB (604,532,371,456 bytes) Drive P: Description Local Fixed Disk Compressed No File System NTFS Size 650.00 GB (697,932,181,504 bytes) Drive R: Description Local Fixed Disk Compressed No File System NTFS Size 2.00 TB (2,199,019,057,152 bytes) Drive S: Solid State Drive Description Local Fixed Disk Compressed No File System NTFS Size 476.94 GB (512,106,688,512 bytes)
Drive S is Solid State Samsung where all Video files are stored. Premiere Pro is linked to this drive for everything
as for codecs following are installed:
c:\windows\system32\cfhd.dll CineForm Inc. CineForm HD VFW Codec OK C:\Windows\system32\CFHD.DLL 18.104.22.1682 1.39 MB (1,462,272 bytes) 7/2/2015 11:31 PM c:\windows\system32\ff_vfw.dll Not Available ffdshow Video Codec OK C:\Windows\system32\FF_VFW.DLL 22.214.171.124 124.50 KB (127,488 bytes) 5/13/2014 11:05 AM c:\windows\system32\iyuv_32.dll Microsoft Corporation OK C:\Windows\system32\IYUV_32.DLL 6.1.7601.17514 53.00 KB (54,272 bytes) 11/20/2010 10:24 PM c:\windows\system32\msrle32.dll Microsoft Corporation OK C:\Windows\system32\MSRLE32.DLL 6.1.7601.17514 16.00 KB (16,384 bytes) 11/20/2010 10:24 PM c:\windows\system32\msvidc32.dll Microsoft Corporation OK C:\Windows\system32\MSVIDC32.DLL 6.1.7601.17514 38.00 KB (38,912 bytes) 11/20/2010 10:24 PM c:\windows\system32\msyuv.dll Microsoft Corporation OK C:\Windows\system32\MSYUV.DLL 6.1.7601.17514 25.00 KB (25,600 bytes) 11/20/2010 10:24 PM c:\windows\system32\tsbyuv.dll Microsoft Corporation OK C:\Windows\system32\TSBYUV.DLL 6.1.7601.17514 14.50 KB (14,848 bytes) 11/20/2010 10:24 PM
Thanks again for your help
I have SSD Samsung but still a choppy playback. Wonder if I should use different codecs?
Any help is really appreciated
You have 9 HDD's and 1 SSD in your system?
Run Crystal Disk Mark on the SSD to see if it is properly connected.
Thanks for answer
I have five physical drives but nine partitions
Crystal Disk Mark test results
CrystalDiskMark 5.0.2 x64
* MB/s = 1,000,000 bytes/s [SATA/600 = 600,000,000 bytes/s]
* KB = 1000 bytes, KiB = 1024 bytes
Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) : 561.213 MB/s
Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) : 532.591 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) : 262.361 MB/s [ 64053.0 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) : 249.843 MB/s [ 60996.8 IOPS]
Sequential Read (T= 1) : 533.307 MB/s
Sequential Write (T= 1) : 508.405 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) : 34.962 MB/s [ 8535.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) : 98.712 MB/s [ 24099.6 IOPS]
Test : 1024 MiB [S: 3.6% (17.2/476.9 GiB)] (x5) [Interval=5 sec]
Date : 2015/10/19 16:45:14
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)
All videos are on SSD drive but replay is still very choppy
Convert the media to DNxHR and see if the playback is better. You can also try Cineform which is an option in AME for encoding.
Is it advisable to install Premiere Pro directly on SSD Drive? My other option is to build computer designed only for Video and Photo editing.
For that I would need some devise to let me use same two monitors, mouse and keyboard on two computers.
Hello everyone again.
Still trying to resolve choppy video playback.
At the present moment I have Premiere Pro installed on SSD - C drive - Cloned -
Just to try I loaded GoPro 4k time laps movie - I recorded earlier.
Choppiness is still there only in Premiere Pro.
Help is really appreciated.
I think I was able to figure it out. I was working with GoPro and DJI clips. Before importing it to Premiere Pro they need to be trans coded
You are having troubles. There are a few simple things you can do to try and fix your performance problems.
Your CPU is DESIGNED to be overclocked......take advantage of this and learn how to get your frequency up to over 4.0Ghz. Many users are getting the 5820 up to a stable overclock of 4.3 and 4.4 Ghz with good cooling. Overclocking the CPU will increase your performance and will help "real time" playback.
Next, your GPU for some STRANGE reason is showing only ONE GIGABYTE of video memory in that "report" you copied onto your post. The 970 is a FOUR gigabyte card !!....do you have a DEFECTIVE GPU CARD ?? Download Piriform "Speccy" and run it. This program will give you all the REAL TIME information on your current hardware, including the amount of video memory on your GPU. Make sure the 4GB of video memory is showing. Also, make sure your copy of Windows is fully updated AND that you are using the LATEST driver for your 970, which you would get on the NVidia website, or, from the "GeForce Experience" program you can download from NVidia to always keep your video driver current.
Be aware that there IS a slight issue with the 970....it only REALLY has 3.5 GB of FULL SPEED video memory. The LAST .5 GB was "added on" and RUNS SLOWER...sometimes causing stuttering in video games. Refunds were given because of this. See the following article :
In running Premiere, make sure you delete all the old "cache" files AND that you have the correct amount of memory assigned for each core of your CPU under : "preferences", " general settings" It is recommended to assign at least 24 GB of system memory to PPro, out of your 32GB and select " optimized for rendering", too.
Of course, you can ALWAYS "render" the timeline which may be choppy....PPro will "render" PREVIEWS to turn the timeline green, for easier real time viewing, if you select " render entire workspace" Your GPU will help GREATLY with this, if your timeline has Mercury accelerated effects and other CUDA accelerated operations on it.
Finally, your disk drive arrangement MUST be fast,or, all the components will be WAITING to receive the data they need, and you will have problems. That means for YOUR machine :
1. Use the Samsung SSD for your Operating system, all your programs, ( including PPro), and the Windows page file ONLY !! You have not said WHICH model SSD you have. If it is the Samsung 850 Pro, you are FINE ! If it is the EVO, be aware that users here on this forum had issues with the "write speed" of that SSD and returned them. The EVO is NOT as good as the "Pro" model and may have issues writing "incompressible data", which digital video IS. So far, your Crystal mark test results look good.
2.It is IMPORTANT that your media files, ( video footage), and your project files are on your FASTEST drive.......especially when working with 4K material and complex timelines. As Bill Gehrke said, get the NEW Samsung 950 Pro PCI SSD to speed up your machine as fast as it will go !! This new drive runs at OVER 2GB per second.......reading AND writing AT THE SAME TIME !! Compare THIS speed with a conventional SSD, which is "half-duplex" and can only read OR write and not do BOTH at the same time....500MB per second TOPS....the PCI SSD is FOUR TIMES FASTER !!! Compare this PCI speed to a conventional 7200rpm spinning hard drive which MAY deliver 150 MB per second when brand NEW, and 75 MB per second when more than half full, PLUS the "latency" and slowness caused from "fragmented files". FORGET the spinning, mechanical drives for editing !!...use them ONLY for "backing up" and "archiving" your work !
Place ALL media files, cache files, preview files,export files and project files on this PCI SSD !!
The only drawback is that this new PCI SSD is LIMITED in capacity...at 500GB. That means you must use it as a "work drive" and when you finish a project, delete all cache and preview files and MOVE your media files, project files, and export files to your larger backup drive(s) for safe keeping.
If your projects are LARGER than 500GB....you can always put two or more SSDs into a RAID 0 off the motherboard for more capacity and fast performance, OR, buy an Intel 750 PCI SSD that is not as good as the Samsung,but, is available in a larger capacity of 1.2 TB at ONLY $900 vs the $350 for the 500GB Samsung 950 Pro !!
You may want to replace all those partitioned spinning hard drives with just a single, large capacity ENTERPRISE LEVEL hard drive to serve as the archive. Seagate makes up to a 6 TB model that has a 128MB cache and runs over 200MB per second. Better yet...get TWO of them and use RAID 1 so you have a DOUBLE backup of your precious media and project files ! Enterprise level Seagates for 6TB are $309 each, while the consumer version is $228 each.
After improving you current machine, go to the PPBM8 website to test your machine on the video editing benchmark program that Bill Gehrke has for PPro...it will pinpoint any problems and give you a comparison with other machines. Your newer machine should be running without problems !! If ALL FAILS and you STILL have stuttering, then you MUST "transcode" your footage into an EASIER codec for your machine to handle. These would be the "free' Cineform,or, like Eric mentioned above, DNxHR. Although these will run like "butter" through the CPU, the new, transcoded files will be HUGE and will DEMAND a LARGE and FAST disk system.
Be aware that "Go Pro" native footage is HIGHLY compressed and DIFFICULT for even strong computers to edit NATIVELY. That is why they BOUGHT Cineform and offer it for FREE to the public so that users can actually EDIT the footage they shot on those cameras !! Other cameras shoot highly compressed codecs,but, they are not as hard to edit natively as the "GoPro" codec.