14 Replies Latest reply on Apr 6, 2009 2:53 AM by Mark Pud

    RH8's Search keywoords

    Mark Pud Level 1
      Hi all,

      Couple of question on the new Search keywords :)

      I was wondering if there is any quick way to add search keywords to multiple topics? Basically I was hoping it would work similarly to the Index where it can be centrally managed from a pod..

      Second, is there any way of getting RH to read the current Index keywords from a page and assign them as Search keywords?

      Thanks,
      Mark
        • 1. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
          RoboColum(n) Level 5
          Hi Mark.

          The short answer is "no" to both questions. The search and Index are two totally different beasts and works differently. There is a post here which describes how the search works. I think you have realised that there really is no substitute for a good (and thorough) index.

          BTW if you whisper very quietly and say the magic word I'm sure the RoboWizard can be summoned to tell us how he once renamed the index to "Search" and gave the users exactly what they wanted!!!
          • 2. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
            Captiv8r Adobe Community Professional & MVP
            Hi Mark

            Colum is correct in that there is no pod that offers this functionality. However, you should be able to use the Topic List pod to accomplish what you want. Just select multiple topics in the Topic List pod and right-click the selection. Then choose Properties. You would then be able to click the General tab and type the keywords into the field.

            Cheers... Rick
            • 3. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
              Mark Pud Level 1
              Hi Rick & Colum,

              I had figured that there was not going to be the answer that I was looking for with this one!! But thanks for the tips on the search Colum, I'm subscribed to your blog now but I hadn't read back through all the older ones :)

              Thanks for the multi-select tip Rick, that will make it slightly less painful!

              I must say that the RH8 search is tonnes better than the old version, so the pain of adding keywords (and the painfully slow build times I've posted about in the WebHelp subforum) seem like a fair price to pay for something that has already proved very popular with my test users.

              Can I also double check that to add multiple keywords to a topic, should they be semi-colon separated? I couldn't find a quick answer to that in the help file..
              • 4. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
                Mat D
                The search keywords feature looks like such an afterthought!!
                • 5. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
                  RoboWizard Level 4
                  Hi Mark

                  I believe you separate using a comma. Just type a comma followed by a space, then the next keyword.

                  @Mat - Why do you feel it looks like an afterthought? Please expound.

                  Cheers... Rick
                  • 6. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
                    Mat D Level 1
                    Rick - it just seems to be a small box to type in individual keywords on individual topics (although the multiple selection of topics you mentioned above does help!) And....No linking of keywords between multiple topics, no list of currently added keywords to re-add to pages (like index words).

                    I think that if you have hundreds of topics, as we do, then typing in each keyword manually will get a bit tedious!
                    • 7. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
                      Mark Pud Level 1
                      Thanks Rick, it saves me 30-40 mins of build time in testing the separators!!

                      I can see where Mat D is coming from, if you compare how the Index works, and how the Search keywords work, the latter has the appearance of being "tagged on the end" when someone said "hey lets have keywords for the search too" ;-)
                      • 8. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
                        Captiv8r Adobe Community Professional & MVP
                        Hi all

                        I think a huge point is being missed here.

                        Let's assume the field is ignored and you just generate. Search *WILL* pick up all the words in the project and they are available for being found using the Search mechanism.

                        What this field is for is adding sort of "Search Synonyms" or common misspellings. For example, maybe you have topics that describe different graphic formats. Search would return JPG. But if the user were to be thinking phonetically and type JayPeg, of course it wouldn't be found. That's what this field is for. The occasional term like that that needs to be added.

                        Cheers... Rick
                        • 9. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
                          Captiv8r Adobe Community Professional & MVP
                          Hi again all

                          It's also worth noting that you can globally assign these by taking the following steps.

                          Click File > Project Settings...
                          Click the General tab to ensure it is in focus.
                          Click the Advanced... button.
                          Click the Synonyms tab.
                          There you may assign the search synonym (JayPeg in this case) and point it to JPG. You would only do it once and any topic containing JPG would be found if the user typed JayPeg.

                          Cheers... Rick
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                          • 10. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
                            Mark Pud Level 1
                            Hi Rick,

                            Thanks for the tips on adding synonyms globally.

                            Appreciate the extra clarity around how the search works, I know that it will pick up everything by default, and coupled with the new prioritisation for matches within H1 H2 etc this is a much more powerful tool than the v7 Search..

                            Where I'm coming from is the need is to add some "search keywords" to force certain pages to the top of the prioritisation when those specific search terms are used...

                            My help system is used by a customer contact centre, where the users have a customer on the line and want to find the result as fast as possible, hence I want to add these keywords to aid this process.

                            The synonym approach will certainly help though!
                            • 11. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
                              RoboWizard Level 4
                              Hi Mark

                              Interesting. I say that as that is where I cut my own teeth on RoboHelp. I had the same need for the same situation.

                              For me, the answer was a well thought out and well implemented Index. My users loved it. Actually, I never provided a Search. Only an Index.

                              Cheers... Rick
                              • 12. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
                                Mark Pud Level 1
                                Agree with you on that Rick, our Index is more popular than the Search by far, with users who have been educated in using it... but since we have a Search on the system, newer people tend to see Search and go to it as they are more familar with the term "Search"..

                                The RH8 Search will hopefully address the requests I get to "make the search more like Google" :)

                                I have looked at the Zoom search too, but unfortunately have no chance of getting the server-side bits added to make that work...
                                • 13. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
                                  ElisaFnord Level 2
                                  Hey, Mark and Rick - here's a thought.

                                  Rename the Index tab "Advanced Search" - and watch the Google searchers flock to it!
                                  • 14. Re: RH8's Search keywoords
                                    Mark Pud Level 1

                                    Haha I like the idea! Might confuse the faithful who already know and live the Index though