7 Replies Latest reply on Nov 16, 2015 6:50 AM by JamesCurle

    Will InDesign CS6 ever receive Retina support?

    JamesCurle Level 1

      I saw in a two-year old thread that Adobe had no plans to rework InDesign CS6 to support Retina displays. We recently purchased new Retina iMacs and upgraded from CS 5.5 to 6. All our Master Collection software downloaded Retina support, save for InDesign, so I guess my question is:

       

      - Why does Adobe not see the value in adding Retina support to InDesign?

      - Why did Adobe see the value in adding Retina support to some applications and not others?

       

      I have hope that--for organizations like ours that shy away from subscription-based software--Adobe will someday see the value in adding Retina support to InDesign. It seems odd to have an outlier in the group of software, if nothing else.

        • 1. Re: Will InDesign CS6 ever receive Retina support?
          Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

          Retina support was added to all applications as they were re-written for 64-bit support. That happened earlier for some apps, with the CC rewrite for InDesign.

          • 2. Re: Will InDesign CS6 ever receive Retina support?
            SJRiegel Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            For Adobe, there is no value in upgrading a software version that they are already backing away from.  They are quite clear that they have no plans to update it. Ever.

            A search for CS on the Adobe site will bring you to a page that says this. 

             

             

            Let’s be honest: Some software upgrades are necessary, and others are just nice to have. Upgrading from Creative Suite 6 to Adobe Creative Cloud falls into the first category: It’s essential.

             

            CS6 is almost three years old, and Adobe has no plans to update it. Ever. In contrast, Creative Cloud features all the latest creative software, including more than 500 features that have been added since 2012. Want the latest version of Photoshop or Illustrator? You need to join to Creative Cloud.

             

            Yes, you can still buy CS6 products by calling an Adobe call center, but why would you? The features in Creative Cloud will take your creativity further, with more ways to create, collaborate, and share.  To purchase by phone, call 800-585-0774.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

            • 3. Re: Will InDesign CS6 ever receive Retina support?
              BobLevine MVP & Adobe Community Professional

              As stated in every other thread on this subject...InDesign is coded differently than Illy and PS and needed to be re-written from the ground up for HiDPI support. They did so with InDesign CC. The fact that they updated the ones they could is proof enough that if they could have done InDesign they would have.

               

              CS6 has reach EOL and will never be updated again ( Adobe quietly drives a nail into the coffin of CS6 - BobLevine.us ).

               

              If you want retina support and support for new operating systems you'll have to subscribe to Creative Cloud.

              • 4. Re: Will InDesign CS6 ever receive Retina support?
                Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                SRiegel wrote:

                 

                Let’s be honest: Some software upgrades are necessary, and others are just nice to have. Upgrading from Creative Suite 6 to Adobe Creative Cloud falls into the first category: It’s essential.

                That's partly just propaganda marketing. For many users, like me, focused on print workflows, there is no value in subscribing....

                • 5. Re: Will InDesign CS6 ever receive Retina support?
                  SJRiegel Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  Just pointing out what Adobe has to say about this.

                  That is, that they will not be upgrading the Perpetual InDesign CS6 for retina support.

                   

                  I would prefer having the option of a perpetual license, but that's clearly not on offer.

                  • 6. Re: Will InDesign CS6 ever receive Retina support?
                    Dov Isaacs Adobe Employee

                    To summarize and wrap up this thread …

                     

                    The Adobe Creative Suite CS6 programs were released over 3 and a half years ago. The software development was completed prior to general availability of hiDPI (Apple marketing name “Retina”) displays for MacOS devices.

                     

                    At the time of the CS6 release, applications such as Photoshop and Illustrator already had been significantly updated to use new MacOS APIs (application program interfaces) that supported HiDPI displays as well as provide 64-bit versions. These applications had CS6 timeframe updates in which the HiDPI support was readily added.

                     

                    (Note that these new APIs finally eliminated legacy support for all pre MacOS 10.x versions which previously allowed us to support old and new OS versions as well as quickly migrate to MacOS 10 years ago!)

                     

                    Unfortunately, at the time of the CS6 release, InDesign was in the process of being dramatically overhauled to use these new MacOS APIs and support 64-bit versions. Much of the code needed to be rewritten and quite frankly, InDesign is a much more complex piece of software than either Illustrator or Photoshop given its need to support text, vector, and images as well as complex, multiple thread-flow articles, etc. This overhaul which included HiDPI support was completed only in time for the CC release. The code changes could not simply be “retrofitted” into the CS6 version of InDesign other than by giving users of the CS6 version of InDesign a free copy of the CC version of InDesign when it was released (which in itself would have posed significant legal and accounting issues for Adobe).

                     

                    During the CS6 lifetime, Adobe was very straightforward in communicating that neither HiDPI nor 64-bit support would be available in the CS6 version, but rather, that it would be available in the next major version of InDesign. As promised, that support was indeed made available in the next version of InDesign, labeled CC.

                     

                    It should also be noted that although many Adobe users do have the CS6 programs fully operational under the latest MacOS versions (10.10.x and 10.11.x), CS6 is not officially supported on those, given that Apple does not guarantee that existing applications work on new OS versions.

                     

                    We understand that you may not like the subscription model, but committing to a “recent” upgrade to CS6 from CS5.5 when Adobe has clearly indicated that there would not be any further updates to the CS6 software, that CS6 was effectively EOL (end of life), and without ascertaining that there was HiDPI support in the CS6 version of InDesign might not have been the most prudent strategy.

                     

                    By the way, if you purchased an iMac even a day before Apple announced the hIDPI (Retina) versions, would you have expected Apple to retrofit your iMac for free?

                     

                                   - Dov

                    • 7. Re: Will InDesign CS6 ever receive Retina support?
                      JamesCurle Level 1
                      Yes, you can still buy CS6 products by calling an Adobe call center, but why would you?

                      Because a perpetual license costs far less in the long run than does a subscription license (including promotional periods). A few thousand dollars over the course of several years when you're purchasing multiple licenses is nothing to sneeze at.

                       

                      Many businesses that still seek out perpetual license versions of this software do so for this reason. They've crunched the numbers. It's also the very reason Adobe went away from perpetual licenses, I would guess--it nets them more cash over time than would selling perpetual licenses. Hard to fault Adobe in that respect (capitalism), but I do wish Adobe saw that there IS value in supporting their legacy software for the segment of the creative community that doesn't (yet) see the value in moving to a subscription model.

                       

                      All of your explanations are appreciated. I wasn't aware that InDesign wasn't built on 64-bit code, so that makes perfect sense why it wasn't as easily updated as the others. Sometimes you hear talk of having to "rebuild it from the ground up" that's nothing more than hyperbole, but moving to a 64-bit app is a bonafide scratch rebuild.

                       

                      In three years, I imagine we'll eventually move to the Cloud. A hurdle for us--as a conservative not-for-profit financial institution whose purchasing decisions are made by people who hear the term 'cloud' and immediately think 'security risk' (yes, I realize you don't have to use the cloud storage, but try telling them that)--is that we've always done things one way, the perpetual license way, and it will take time to undo those habits.

                       

                      Just don't forget us, Adobe, in the perpetual wilderness. We make up a small but dedicated portion of your user base.