Only one hard drive, even an SSD drive, will be a bottleneck... is there a way to add a 2nd SSD for project and video files?
Tweakers Page has LOTS of information
Laptop Video Editing PC - http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1369220?tstart=0
-Laptop to edit 4k red video http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1108124
Thanks for your quick response. I think I've seen all those links before, but I'll have a read through them again (I'm starting to lose track of which ones I have and haven't read!).
Yes, it is possible to get a second SSD (or more, actually), but I wasn't sure how much of a bottleneck it would really be in practice for not-particularly-complex HD editing. Do you have any idea how easy is it to tell if the SSD is being a bottleneck when in actual use - it's possible that I could get it with just the one SSD and then add another at a later date if it turns out to be an issue. Actually, I had similar thoughts regarding the memory - I've seen some posts that suggest that 16GB is a bit light for AE, but that could also be upgraded later if needed.
Do you have any idea how easy is it to tell if the SSD is being a bottleneck
With only one drive it will be a bottleneck.
Your laptop spec. looks pretty good. I suggest:
- going with 32GB from the start; most laptops only have 2 memory slots and to upgrade later you would be throwing away your 2x 8GB sticks
- get a better boot SSD: Samsung Pro 850 or M.2 drive if that's supported; EVO is not as fast or long-living as some other SSD options
Why not start with the single drive and see if it is fast enough!? Upgrading later or even using a USB 3.0 sled with a 2.5" SSD could be an option.
I seems like there is a difference in opinion between Bob and Jim on the SSD approach - Is there anyone out there using just one SSD for HD editing on a laptop who has some real-life experience on this point?
M.2 is an option, and one possibility that they offer is a 512GB Samsung SM951 M.2 PCIe NVMe which I could potentially get instead of the EVO listed above, but it's quite a lot more expensive, and, I gather, isn't actually that much faster when on battery power (although much faster when on mains power). They don't offer the Samsung Pro 850 as an option.
Regarding the memory - the laptop has four slots, so I could upgrade later without having the throw away the initial 2x8GB cards.
...both Bill Gehrke and I have been using the same model Asus gaming laptop for a year and a half with good results because we each " self upgraded " them . We are using the Asus G750JW. It originally came with only 8 GB of system memory and a single, spinning 1 TB hard drive...even though the laptop has two separate HDD bays, ( one was empty). We both got rid of the slow HDD and each put 2 fast SSDs into the machine...one as the "boot drive" for OS, programs, and Windows page file only, and the other for all else, ( media, project files, media cache, cahe, previews, and exports ). In addition we upgraded the system memory to 24 GB, ( two of our memory slots were inaccessible under the keyboard, preventing installation of the full 32 GB possible ).
Our machines have the i7 4700HQ CPU, which turbos up to 3.4 Ghz on all cores under load.....your CPU would be slightly better.
Our 765m GPU " only" has 2GB of video memory, however, the older design allows for the "overclocking" of the video memory to increase performance......it is PLENTY good enough for 1080p work, including timelines with multiple video tracks and some effects. YOUR GPU would be much better , as it is more powerful and has much more video memory.....that is especially good for any 4K work which USES that video memory for "frame buffering" and other tasks.
Even if you "only" have USB 3 external ports and NO high speed option like "thunderbolt" to connect an external storage drive, you CAN do fine if your machine only has one internal hard drive bay. This would be possible using the new Samsung T1 external hard drive, which is able ,( somehow), to achieve read speeds of over 400MB/sec on USB 3 and over 300MB/sec write speed. The T1 can contain ALL your media files and project files......and all else, if you want. You can EASILY work on projects,or, render simply by connecting this T1 drive to a more powerful desktop, if available. Bill does this. All other USB 3 storage options would be much slower, and not worth considering compared to the T1.
Any laptop MUST be " plugged in" while using Premiere Pro,or, After Effects !! No matter HOW you arrange your "power settings", the laptop will severely throttle and will NOT run those programs properly...if at ALL !!
My Asus laptop was bought "refurbished" at a discount of almost FIFTY PER CENT off !! See if YOU can find one like I did. This allowed funds to be used for the "upgrades".
We don't know exactly which model you are looking at....if brand new, you could be spending huge money for a less than ideal laptop, whereas I only spent $850 for a great machine which arrived in like new condition with all the plastic still on it !!! Keep in mind that a 15 in screen is TINY and hard to work on. I have connected TWO 27" IPS 1440P wqhd monitors to my laptop and it performs FLAWLESSLY.... one to the HDMI 1.4 port, and the other to the " minidisplayport", ( thunderbolt port ). Each monitor can run at 2560 x 1440p @ 60Hz. So, combined with the 17.3 laptop screen, I now have THREE huge monitors running !!
Give us more info concerning the model laptop you are considering.......newer ones have more high speed storage options, which is IMPORTANT, ( along with memory), in the performance of PPro and After Effects.
Thanks for your detailed and useful input - getting actual feedback from people on what their machine's spec is and how they perform seems to be surprisingly difficult to come by, so your comment above will hopefully be valuable to other people as well.
I'm in the UK so prices don't quite correspond. The actual laptop that I'm looking at is one that is done by a company that allows you to specify how you want the machine to be configured (and also allows you to make hardware changes to it later yourself without voiding the warranty). The one that I'm looking at is this one: http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/defianceII-15/ - although they do have other options. Feel free to have a play with the configuration if you have time (my budget is limited to about £1300). I'll also follow up on your suggestion of looking out for any refurbished ones.
PC Specialist does actually have 17" versions equivalent to the one that I was looking at, and I have been pondering the point regarding the screen size. It's again a trade-off as portability is going to be important to me, I think. To get a feel for what it would be like I watched a few PP tutorial videos on another (low spec) laptop with the 15" screen size, and, though not ideal, I think it will be manageable for me. I am planning to connect it to a full-size monitor when working at home.
Sadly I don't have access to a desktop suitable for rendering or editing, so the laptop will be the one and only realistically - at least for now!
jfphoton said it all. I just put the customer requested final touches on a 45 minute concert shot with three 1080 AVCHD cameras on this laptop. As he said I am using only the OS/Application SATA III SSD and a Samsung T1 flash drive. Even though I have a second SATA III SSD in the system I prefer having all the project files on a removable device that way with multiple projects on multiple flash drives I can instantaneously switch projects.
Bill maintains the PPBM7.com website, where you can see the detailed test results from different editing machines running his Premiere Pro benchmark test, including laptops. Register there to get a good look at how the different models perform, esp. how laptops compare to desktops. You will see Bill's laptop there and evem a supercharged laptop that is maxxed out in every way.
I looked at the choices allowed on pc specialist and was dissapointed at the inferior quality of the SSD you would be forced to place your OS on....the Samsung EVO and the others, which are worse. They do not offer the Samsung 850 Pro Model for that purpose, or, the Crucial MX200 SSD ....( they DO offer the MX200 as an M.2 SSD ,though ).
I would call them and see if they would accomodate you with a slight "custom" alteration for you particular unit,or, you will have to upgrade the unit yourself,later.
I would select the following :
17.3 inch IPS 1920x1080 screen, 32 GB system memory, NVidia 980m GPU with I believe 8GB video memory, ( or, was it 12? )...i7 6700 CPU
Then, you WOULD want the 500GB Samsung 951 PCI SSD for maximun performance with PPro and After Effects.
You would then ask them to put in a better quality 2.5 inch SSD, ( Crucial MX 200 or Samsung 850 Pro 256GB or better ), for your OS, programs, and Windows page file ONLY.......ALL other files would go on the 951 for amazing performance. Everything on the "boot" SSD is " memory resident" once loaded. Fast performance will come from EVERYTHING else being on that super fast PCI SSD. Soon a 1 TB version of that will be available as a Samsung 950 Pro PCI SSD.
OR, you can ask to use NO 2.5 inch drives at all....you would ask if you could use a Cruciial M.2 MX200 SSD, ( at least 256 GB ), for your "boot" and OS drive, and then ,could they put the Samsung 951 PCI SSD in the second M.2 slot for all your other files.
Thanks - that's all very useful.
Not sure I can quite afford the options you suggest, but we'll see!