5 Replies Latest reply on Aug 11, 2008 6:20 PM by Newsgroup_User

    Illustrator text coming in as paths

    jethrodesign Level 1
      Hi, we're evaluating Fireworks to see if we can incorporate it into our workflow for comping and laying out websites.

      I'm trying to see how nicely, though, it plays with the other apps we use. It would be best if it would export to either Illustrator or Photoshop really well, so we're not stuck in Fireworks for those who prefer not to use it (or don't know how).

      What I've noticed, though, is that when opening an Illustrator file in Fireworks (one that was originally created in Fireworks), all type is rendered as paths (large groups of characters). I've tried saving as different versions of Illustrator, and using different import options.

      When exporting to Illustrator, text layout is hit or miss. Some things would definitely have to be redone. And elements don't seem to retain their transparency blending options either.

      Also, when saving as a PSD to open in Photoshop, the text styling is not retained at all (unless you don't update the text to allow for editing). As soon as any text is updated to be able to edit, it gets ALL messed up!

      - I thought these apps were supposed to be better integrated now in CS3 (all apps are current CS3 versions). Am I expecting too much??

      THANKS!
        • 1. Re: Illustrator text coming in as paths
          Level 7
          jethrodesign wrote:
          > Hi, we're evaluating Fireworks to see if we can incorporate it into our
          > workflow for comping and laying out websites.
          >
          > I'm trying to see how nicely, though, it plays with the other apps we use. It
          > would be best if it would export to either Illustrator or Photoshop really
          > well, so we're not stuck in Fireworks for those who prefer not to use it (or
          > don't know how).
          >
          > What I've noticed, though, is that when opening an Illustrator file in
          > Fireworks (one that was originally created in Fireworks), all type is rendered
          > as paths (large groups of characters). I've tried saving as different versions
          > of Illustrator, and using different import options.
          >
          > When exporting to Illustrator, text layout is hit or miss. Some things would
          > definitely have to be redone. And elements don't seem to retain their
          > transparency blending options either.
          >
          > Also, when saving as a PSD to open in Photoshop, the text styling is not
          > retained at all (unless you don't update the text to allow for editing). As
          > soon as any text is updated to be able to edit, it gets ALL messed up!
          >
          > - I thought these apps were supposed to be better integrated now in CS3 (all
          > apps are current CS3 versions). Am I expecting too much??
          >
          > THANKS!
          >
          Bringing AI files into FW is better supported than exporting files out
          to AI format from FW. At the moment, FW only supports exporting AI files
          out as Illustrator 9, so you can lose a lot by the time it becomes an AI
          file.

          Opening AI files within FW tends to work much better, but this kind of
          integration was really only worked on on CS3, so there is no doubt a
          long way to go.

          Opening PSD files is a much smoother operation, and it's even better in
          the latest FW beta. Exporting as PSD also seems to be a more predictable
          process as well.

          My preference is to get the files into FW and leave them there. But as
          you said, you may have others who prefer not to do this.

          HTH

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          • 2. Re: Illustrator text coming in as paths
            jethrodesign Level 1
            quote:

            Originally posted by: Newsgroup User

            Opening PSD files is a much smoother operation, and it's even better in
            the latest FW beta. Exporting as PSD also seems to be a more predictable
            process as well.




            Yeah, I would have assumed opening a FW file in Photoshop would have worked really well now. But as I learned in some quick tests, the type does not retain any styling at all (not even font) if you want it to be editable. So that would not really be an option.

            The problem is, some of the programmers we work with will only work in Photoshop. So whatever our workflow is here, we need to make sure getting it into a program that they feel confident with will not cause everything to fall apart.

            We are using the lastest Photoshop CS3, and whatever the downloadable trial of Fireworks CS3 was as of last week.

            - Are we missing something??
            • 3. Re: Illustrator text coming in as paths
              Level 7
              jethrodesign wrote:
              >
              quote:

              Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
              >
              > Opening PSD files is a much smoother operation, and it's even better in
              > the latest FW beta. Exporting as PSD also seems to be a more predictable
              > process as well.
              >
              >

              >
              > Yeah, I would have assumed opening a FW file in Photoshop would have worked
              > really well now. But as I learned in some quick tests, the type does not retain
              > any styling at all (not even font) if you want it to be editable. So that would
              > not really be an option.
              >
              > The problem is, some of the programmers we work with will only work in
              > Photoshop. So whatever our workflow is here, we need to make sure getting it
              > into a program that they feel confident with will not cause everything to fall
              > apart.
              >
              > We are using the lastest Photoshop CS3, and whatever the downloadable trial of
              > Fireworks CS3 was as of last week.
              >
              > - Are we missing something??
              >

              The Fireworks beta (not the CS3 trial) has significantly improved
              support for type. FW beta has the text engine as PS. Problems might
              arise if you are opening up older FW designs in the beta. But I am sure
              that is only limited to the beta release and won't be the case on final
              release.


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              • 4. Re: Illustrator text coming in as paths
                jethrodesign Level 1
                OK, thanks! That's good news. Is the beta for the next update, or upgrade?

                So I would have to assume the type would come in fairly perfect in PS, correct? At a quick glance it appeared most other things come in pretty well.

                - Any other items that don't seem to translate very well? (effects, blend modes, using Library items, etc.)
                • 5. Re: Illustrator text coming in as paths
                  Level 7
                  jethrodesign wrote:
                  > OK, thanks! That's good news. Is the beta for the next update, or upgrade?
                  >
                  > So I would have to assume the type would come in fairly perfect in PS,
                  > correct? At a quick glance it appeared most other things come in pretty well.
                  >
                  > - Any other items that don't seem to translate very well? (effects, blend
                  > modes, using Library items, etc.)
                  >
                  I will not presume to predict what Adobe will do with or to the Beta -
                  lol - but most popular reviews have pegged it as the next version
                  (CS4), but yes, based on the beta release, type is handled much better.

                  FW supports (ie maintains) Layer effects and many blend modes, but how
                  FW and PS handle the way Layers use the Blend modes may not be exactly
                  the same. I've seen a few things go wonky in that way.

                  PS vectors are handled much better in the beta.

                  Not sure what you mean by Library items; that's a DW convention.

                  My recommendation is download the beta on a non-production machine and
                  try it out.

                  You can also check out some free articles on the FW beta at Community MX
                  ( http://tinyurl.com/5ckuhz), Adobe Edge ( http://tinyurl.com/5m6dm2) and
                  also Peachpit Press
                  ( http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1220318).

                  HTH

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