24 Replies Latest reply on Feb 8, 2009 1:52 PM by Newsgroup_User

    how to resize smart polygon

    Level 7
      I want to draw a very simple shape with four sides, and a broader base
      than top.

      Is the smart polygon the right tool fot that? If so, how do I adjust
      the width of top and bottom? The FW Help only talks about dragging
      control points, but my hands are much too shaky for that. Is there a
      way to type in the values?

      Thank you.

      --
      Groet,
      Adriana


        • 1. Re: how to resize smart polygon
          Level 7
          A.Translator wrote:
          > I want to draw a very simple shape with four sides, and a broader base
          > than top.
          >
          > Is the smart polygon the right tool fot that? If so, how do I adjust
          > the width of top and bottom? The FW Help only talks about dragging
          > control points, but my hands are much too shaky for that. Is there a
          > way to type in the values?
          >
          > Thank you.
          >

          Sounds like you are drawing a square or rectangle. If so, use the
          rectangle tool to draw the shape, then select the Skew tool to widen the
          base.

          --
          Jim Babbage - .:Community MX:. & .:Adobe Community Expert:.
          http://www.communityMX.com/
          ---
          .:Adobe Community Expert for Fireworks:.
          http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/206.html
          ---
          • 2. Re: how to resize smart polygon
            Level 7
            A.Translator wrote:
            > I want to draw a very simple shape with four sides, and a broader base
            > than top.
            >
            > Is the smart polygon the right tool fot that? If so, how do I adjust
            > the width of top and bottom? The FW Help only talks about dragging
            > control points, but my hands are much too shaky for that. Is there a
            > way to type in the values?
            >
            > Thank you.
            >

            There doesn't appear to be a native way to skew things numerically, but
            if you open the Path panel, and experiment with the Select Points
            options, you can select individual points and then use the Arrow key (or
            SHift+Arrow key) to move a selected point.

            Before you try this, you will have to ungroup the rectangle shape
            (Modify > Ungroup)

            HTH

            --
            Jim Babbage - .:Community MX:. & .:Adobe Community Expert:.
            http://www.communityMX.com/
            ---
            .:Adobe Community Expert for Fireworks:.
            http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/206.html
            ---
            • 3. Re: how to resize smart polygon
              Level 7
              A.Translator wrote:
              > I want to draw a very simple shape with four sides, and a broader base
              > than top.
              >
              > Is the smart polygon the right tool fot that? If so, how do I adjust
              > the width of top and bottom? The FW Help only talks about dragging
              > control points, but my hands are much too shaky for that. Is there a
              > way to type in the values?
              >
              > Thank you.
              >

              There doesn't appear to be a native way to skew things numerically, but
              if you open the Path panel, and experiment with the Select Points
              options, you can select individual points and then use the Arrow key (or
              SHift+Arrow key) to move a selected point.

              Before you try this, you will have to ungroup the rectangle shape
              (Modify > Ungroup)

              HTH

              --
              Jim Babbage - .:Community MX:. & .:Adobe Community Expert:.
              http://www.communityMX.com/
              ---
              .:Adobe Community Expert for Fireworks:.
              http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/206.html
              ---
              • 4. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                Level 7
                > There doesn't appear to be a native way to skew things numerically,
                > but
                > if you open the Path panel, and experiment with the Select Points
                > options, you can select individual points and then use the Arrow key
                > (or
                > SHift+Arrow key) to move a selected point.

                That is what I had figured out and tried, but it is not good enough: I
                need to know the exact width of top and bottom.

                --
                Groet,
                Adriana


                • 5. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                  Level 7
                  A.Translator wrote:
                  >> There doesn't appear to be a native way to skew things numerically,
                  >> but
                  >> if you open the Path panel, and experiment with the Select Points
                  >> options, you can select individual points and then use the Arrow key
                  >> (or
                  >> SHift+Arrow key) to move a selected point.
                  >
                  > That is what I had figured out and tried, but it is not good enough: I
                  > need to know the exact width of top and bottom.
                  >

                  What about setting guides first? You can numerically set the value of
                  guides by double-clicking on them with the Pointer tool. Not a perfect
                  solution, but hopefully it can work for you?

                  --
                  Jim Babbage - .:Community MX:. & .:Adobe Community Expert:.
                  http://www.communityMX.com/
                  ---
                  .:Adobe Community Expert for Fireworks:.
                  http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/206.html
                  ---
                  • 6. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                    Level 7
                    > A.Translator wrote:
                    >>> There doesn't appear to be a native way to skew things numerically,
                    >>> but
                    >>> if you open the Path panel, and experiment with the Select Points
                    >>> options, you can select individual points and then use the Arrow
                    >>> key (or
                    >>> SHift+Arrow key) to move a selected point.
                    >>
                    >> That is what I had figured out and tried, but it is not good enough:
                    >> I need to know the exact width of top and bottom.
                    >>

                    > What about setting guides first? You can numerically set the value of
                    > guides by double-clicking on them with the Pointer tool. Not a
                    > perfect solution, but hopefully it can work for you?

                    It is not great, but passable.
                    Is it just me who wants to be able to type in values? Am I mistaken or
                    could it be done in older versions of FW?

                    I need to reproduce in FW this jpg, give it a gradient bg and scale it
                    down:
                    http://www.spinsister.nl/zandbak/images/Logostandaard-1.jpg .

                    I have the font, so the only problem is the white shape between the
                    V's.
                    This is what I got so far:
                    http://www.spinsister.nl/zandbak/images/logoNew.png

                    but I am not happy with the white shape.

                    --
                    Groet,
                    Adriana


                    • 7. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                      SiamJai Level 2
                      quote:

                      Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
                      I need to reproduce in FW this jpg, give it a gradient bg and scale it
                      down:
                      http://www.spinsister.nl/zandbak/images/Logostandaard-1.jpg .
                      I have the font, so the only problem is the white shape between the V's.
                      This is what I got so far:
                      http://www.spinsister.nl/zandbak/images/logoNew.png

                      but I am not happy with the white shape.

                      --
                      Groet,
                      Adriana



                      Try the magic wand tool on the original JPG. Set the edge to be Hard and a tolerance around 100 and click somewhere in the white area you want to recreate.

                      Once you are happy with the selection, click Modify >> Convert Marquee to Path. This makes a trapezoid vector that's a pretty good approximation of the original shape.


                      SiamJai
                      ~~~~
                      http://design.thaiwonders.com - Innovative Fireworks Tutorials
                      • 8. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                        Level 7
                        > Once you are happy with the selection, click Modify >> Convert
                        > Marquee to
                        > Path. This makes a trapezoid vector that's a pretty good
                        > approximation of the
                        > original shape

                        Thank you! It is good enough.

                        --
                        Groet,
                        Adriana


                        • 9. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                          Level 7
                          i know you've done it now but you could use the pent tool and use the
                          shift key to constrain the angle when drawing the horizontals...

                          A.Translator wrote:
                          >> Once you are happy with the selection, click Modify >> Convert
                          >> Marquee to
                          >> Path. This makes a trapezoid vector that's a pretty good
                          >> approximation of the
                          >> original shape
                          >
                          > Thank you! It is good enough.
                          >
                          • 10. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                            Level 7
                            On 03 Feb 2009 in macromedia.fireworks, A.Translator wrote:

                            > I need to reproduce in FW this jpg, give it a gradient bg and scale
                            > it down:
                            > http://www.spinsister.nl/zandbak/images/Logostandaard-1.jpg .

                            - Open this file in FW. (I assume here that you have >= FW8.)
                            - Use the magic wand tool to select the center white area.
                            - Select > Convert Marquee to Path

                            You now have a vector path which closely approximates the shape of the
                            white trapezoid. You can copy it into your new file; change fill,
                            border, etc settings as needed.

                            - Modify > Transform > Numeric Transform > Scale

                            Resize it to suit.

                            --
                            Joe Makowiec
                            http://makowiec.net/
                            Email: http://makowiec.net/contact.php
                            • 11. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                              SiamJai Level 2
                              quote:

                              Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
                              > Once you are happy with the selection, click Modify >> Convert
                              > Marquee to
                              > Path. This makes a trapezoid vector that's a pretty good
                              > approximation of the
                              > original shape

                              Thank you! It is good enough.

                              --
                              Groet,
                              Adriana



                              You're welcome! I'm glad it worked out for you. :-) And I agree that it would be quite useful to have more of those numerical control options in other areas as well.



                              SiamJai
                              ~~~~
                              http://design.thaiwonders.com - Innovative Fireworks Tutorials
                              • 12. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                Level 7
                                Thanks for all your helpful responses!

                                Do you think there would be enough interest to send a feature request
                                about an option to enter numerical values by typing them in?
                                If so, could one of you draft such a request? My English, nor my
                                knowledge of FW, is good enough to explain effectively.

                                Thank you.

                                --
                                Groet,
                                Adriana


                                • 13. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                  Level 7
                                  A.Translator wrote:
                                  > Thanks for all your helpful responses!
                                  >
                                  > Do you think there would be enough interest to send a feature request
                                  > about an option to enter numerical values by typing them in?
                                  > If so, could one of you draft such a request? My English, nor my
                                  > knowledge of FW, is good enough to explain effectively.
                                  >
                                  > Thank you.
                                  >
                                  So you would like to be able to set the x and y position of each vector
                                  point numerically, correct? For any path, right?

                                  --
                                  Jim Babbage - .:Community MX:. & .:Adobe Community Expert:.
                                  http://www.communityMX.com/
                                  ---
                                  .:Adobe Community Expert for Fireworks:.
                                  http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/206.html
                                  ---
                                  • 14. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                    Level 7
                                    > So you would like to be able to set the x and y position of each
                                    > vector point numerically, correct? For any path, right?

                                    Not just the x and y position, but the width of every selected "line" -
                                    I do not know the correct expression (vector something?)

                                    X and Y determine the position of something on the canvas, as I
                                    understand it.

                                    I want to set width and height in the properties bar - as you can when
                                    say drawing a rectangular. And not only width or height, but also the
                                    length of all sides when such is needed. Numerically. Dragging is too
                                    awkward for me.

                                    --
                                    Groet,
                                    Adriana


                                    • 15. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                      Level 7
                                      A.Translator wrote:
                                      >> So you would like to be able to set the x and y position of each
                                      >> vector point numerically, correct? For any path, right?
                                      >
                                      > Not just the x and y position, but the width of every selected "line" -
                                      > I do not know the correct expression (vector something?)
                                      >
                                      > X and Y determine the position of something on the canvas, as I
                                      > understand it.
                                      >
                                      > I want to set width and height in the properties bar - as you can when
                                      > say drawing a rectangular. And not only width or height, but also the
                                      > length of all sides when such is needed. Numerically. Dragging is too
                                      > awkward for me.
                                      >
                                      Thanks Adriana:

                                      Width and height can be set in the P.I., but not independently, based on
                                      each side, or vector point. There might be something in the Path panel
                                      which could help, but honestly, I haven't figured out all of those features.

                                      Another option, although it may not be suitable for you:

                                      Use the subselection tool to select a specific point on the vector
                                      shape, and then use the arrow keys to reposition that single point. YOu
                                      can Shift+click to select multiple points.

                                      --
                                      Jim Babbage - .:Community MX:. & .:Adobe Community Expert:.
                                      http://www.communityMX.com/
                                      ---
                                      .:Adobe Community Expert for Fireworks:.
                                      http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/206.html
                                      ---
                                      • 16. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                        Level 7
                                        > Width and height can be set in the P.I., but not independently, based
                                        > on each side, or vector point. There might be something in the Path
                                        > panel which could help, but honestly, I haven't figured out all of
                                        > those features.

                                        I have not found anything yet.

                                        I hate to be dependent on dragging and would like to be able to
                                        (sub)select a side and use the P.I to set its length.

                                        Could you draft a feature request for this, please? You know the
                                        terminology.

                                        Thanks!

                                        --
                                        Groet,
                                        Adriana


                                        • 17. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                          Level 7
                                          A.Translator wrote:
                                          >> Width and height can be set in the P.I., but not independently, based
                                          >> on each side, or vector point. There might be something in the Path
                                          >> panel which could help, but honestly, I haven't figured out all of
                                          >> those features.
                                          >
                                          > I have not found anything yet.
                                          >
                                          > I hate to be dependent on dragging and would like to be able to
                                          > (sub)select a side and use the P.I to set its length.
                                          >
                                          > Could you draft a feature request for this, please? You know the
                                          > terminology.
                                          >
                                          > Thanks!
                                          >
                                          Will do. Did you try subselecting and using the arrow keys?

                                          --
                                          Jim Babbage - .:Community MX:. & .:Adobe Community Expert:.
                                          http://www.communityMX.com/
                                          ---
                                          .:Adobe Community Expert for Fireworks:.
                                          http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/206.html
                                          ---
                                          • 18. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                            Level 7
                                            > A.Translator wrote:
                                            >>> Width and height can be set in the P.I., but not independently,
                                            >>> based on each side, or vector point. There might be something in
                                            >>> the Path panel which could help, but honestly, I haven't figured
                                            >>> out all of those features.
                                            >>
                                            >> I have not found anything yet.
                                            >>
                                            >> I hate to be dependent on dragging and would like to be able to
                                            >> (sub)select a side and use the P.I to set its length.
                                            >>
                                            >> Could you draft a feature request for this, please? You know the
                                            >> terminology.
                                            >>
                                            >> Thanks!
                                            >>
                                            > Will do. Did you try subselecting and using the arrow keys?

                                            Thanks!

                                            I have just tried subselecting, but get warned off: "Editing
                                            sub-elements of an auto shape may cause it to behave unpredicatbly" .
                                            Anyway, using the arrow keys is not ideal either for I want to be able
                                            to set sides to a predetermined length, height or width. But perhaps
                                            that is a silly thing to want.

                                            --
                                            Groet,
                                            Adriana


                                            • 19. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                              Level 7
                                              A.Translator wrote:
                                              >> A.Translator wrote:
                                              >>>> Width and height can be set in the P.I., but not independently,
                                              >>>> based on each side, or vector point. There might be something in
                                              >>>> the Path panel which could help, but honestly, I haven't figured
                                              >>>> out all of those features.
                                              >>> I have not found anything yet.
                                              >>>
                                              >>> I hate to be dependent on dragging and would like to be able to
                                              >>> (sub)select a side and use the P.I to set its length.
                                              >>>
                                              >>> Could you draft a feature request for this, please? You know the
                                              >>> terminology.
                                              >>>
                                              >>> Thanks!
                                              >>>
                                              >> Will do. Did you try subselecting and using the arrow keys?
                                              >
                                              > Thanks!
                                              >
                                              > I have just tried subselecting, but get warned off: "Editing
                                              > sub-elements of an auto shape may cause it to behave unpredicatbly" .
                                              > Anyway, using the arrow keys is not ideal either for I want to be able
                                              > to set sides to a predetermined length, height or width. But perhaps
                                              > that is a silly thing to want.
                                              >
                                              OHHHH You're using autoshapes. ugh. Sorry, I forgot about that. Do you
                                              need to retain the autoshape behaviors? If not, you can ungroup the
                                              autoshape and it becomes a regular path.

                                              I didn't mean to imply your wish was silly; just wanted to see if you
                                              could use a workaround for now. It's not perfect, but at least it might
                                              help. Holding Shift+ the arrow key will move a regular path point 5
                                              pixels at a time, so it's a bit faster.

                                              --
                                              Jim Babbage - .:Community MX:. & .:Adobe Community Expert:.
                                              http://www.communityMX.com/
                                              ---
                                              .:Adobe Community Expert for Fireworks:.
                                              http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/206.html
                                              ---
                                              • 20. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                                Level 7
                                                > Sorry, I forgot about that. Do you need to retain the autoshape
                                                > behaviors? If not, you can ungroup the autoshape and it becomes a
                                                > regular path.

                                                OK. I don't need to retain the behaviours and will experiment a bit
                                                more.

                                                > I didn't mean to imply your wish was silly; just wanted to see if you
                                                > could use a workaround for now. It's not perfect, but at least it
                                                > might help. Holding Shift+ the arrow key will move a regular path
                                                > point 5 pixels at a time, so it's a bit faster.

                                                Misunderstanding! I did not think you called my wish silly, I just
                                                thought so myself. Thanks about the tip re holding the shift (am
                                                studying the other 99 as well ;-))

                                                --
                                                Groet,
                                                Adriana


                                                • 21. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                                  Level 7
                                                  A.Translator wrote:
                                                  > I want to draw a very simple shape with four sides, and a broader base
                                                  > than top.
                                                  >
                                                  > Is the smart polygon the right tool fot that? If so, how do I adjust
                                                  > the width of top and bottom? The FW Help only talks about dragging
                                                  > control points, but my hands are much too shaky for that. Is there a
                                                  > way to type in the values?
                                                  >
                                                  > Thank you.
                                                  >

                                                  Why not just draw the four lines as individual lines to the size you
                                                  want and then combine the paths?
                                                  • 22. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                                    Level 7
                                                    > Why not just draw the four lines as individual lines to the size you
                                                    > want and then combine the paths?

                                                    Because that is more complicate than seems necessary?

                                                    --
                                                    Groet,
                                                    Adriana


                                                    • 23. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                                      Level 7
                                                      A.Translator wrote:
                                                      >> Why not just draw the four lines as individual lines to the size you
                                                      >> want and then combine the paths?
                                                      >
                                                      > Because that is more complicate than seems necessary?
                                                      >

                                                      Sure seems easier than what you are doing. ;-)
                                                      • 24. Re: how to resize smart polygon
                                                        Level 7
                                                        A.Translator wrote:
                                                        >> Sorry, I forgot about that. Do you need to retain the autoshape
                                                        >> behaviors? If not, you can ungroup the autoshape and it becomes a
                                                        >> regular path.
                                                        >
                                                        > OK. I don't need to retain the behaviours and will experiment a bit
                                                        > more.
                                                        >
                                                        >> I didn't mean to imply your wish was silly; just wanted to see if you
                                                        >> could use a workaround for now. It's not perfect, but at least it
                                                        >> might help. Holding Shift+ the arrow key will move a regular path
                                                        >> point 5 pixels at a time, so it's a bit faster.
                                                        >
                                                        > Misunderstanding! I did not think you called my wish silly, I just
                                                        > thought so myself. Thanks about the tip re holding the shift (am
                                                        > studying the other 99 as well ;-))
                                                        >
                                                        Hi Adriana:

                                                        There is a way to do this with the Path panel.

                                                        Use the Subselection tool to select the point you want to move.

                                                        Then use the Move Points command in the Path panel. It's in the Edit
                                                        Points section of the panel. YOu can set X and Y values numerically for
                                                        the selected point.

                                                        HTH!

                                                        --
                                                        Jim Babbage - .:Community MX:. & .:Adobe Community Expert:.
                                                        http://www.communityMX.com/
                                                        ---
                                                        .:Adobe Community Expert for Fireworks:.
                                                        http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/206.html
                                                        ---