Please show us screen shots of the Pages panel and the document itself in the workspace. I'm not exactly sure what you've done at the moment.
Looking at the template dimension notes they say the black dotted line is the cover trim, which is 10.67 x 7.81. The template shows both the trim and the bleed, so your doc would need to include a bleed. I would think the doc setup would be like this (Document Setup Width & Height equals the trim):
In that case the black dotted line of the template will lie on the document's trim edge:
When you export the PDF include the bleeds
OK I appreciate your input but in your document settings you have the pages set to 1 if I do that then I will have ONE page with those dimensions. For this I need 3 pages, back cover 5.06 x 7.81 spine 0.55 front cover 5.06 x7.81
here is the document with an 0.25bleed ( the white area ) now do I reset the template so the WHITE AREA INSIDE THE ORANGE rests on the black document line?
I DONT THINK SO because when I place the document template inside the indd doc the black dotted line lines up with the document edges but is this correct?
Here is a screenshot of a document in Photoshop which is 5.06 x 7.81 as you see the black dotted line is exactly on the document edge, so according to this I would have to add the artwork making sure that no , text or images go over into the orange area correct?
If so anything on the outside of that will not be printable?
if so THEN what do I set the bleed of my indd file to?
if I leave it as ZERO which it is now will this effect the way the pdf generated would print?
Are they requesting a 3 page document somewhere in their specs—that would be very unusual for a book cover. They are explicitly stating that the document trim size should be 10.67 x 7.81 in the dimensions list.
The only reason for doing this as three pages is to allow for a change in the spine width (and they ought to be able to give you a revised template if you give them the correct page count).
I suspect that either they are not happy with three pages or more likely, you didn't extend your images that bleed out to the outer edge of the red zone.
Ok so what you mean is I could have made the document 1 page with the 10.67 x 7.81 dimensions ( I understand that)
BUT the question here for me is
Only the artwork inside the white area will be viewable?
Do I keep my document settings trim set to ZERO?
"Trim Size" is the finished size of your page after it has been trimmed, not the amount that is cut off. Your document setup should match the trim size. The area that gets cut off is the bleed area.
Only the artwork inside the white area will be viewable?
No. The red are extends inside the trim to help you keep important information from being cut off in the case where the sheet is not properly aligned in the cutter. In theory, everything inside the black line will show, but if there is a cutter misalignment, you will see a shift, with part of the image in the red zone inside the black line cut off, and an equal amount on the opposite edge from outside the black line will show.
Ok I think I understand now,
So I created a new doc with the 10.67 x 7.81 dimensions like the template says
( last time I created a 3 page document with the 5.06 .055 and 5.06 pages as a spread
Now when I place the template inside the white boxes inside now match the document size
so now I placed the artwork up to and over the orange area
made sure any text is within the white boxes.
QUESTION : is it OK to se the trim size in the doc to ZERO?
QUESTION : WILL IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF I USE THE 3 PAGE DOC OR SINGLE PAGE DOC?
I decided to see what the real template looks like, and went to create space to make a new one. hey seem to use the same template for all books from 233 to 240 pages (I'm guessing on the 233, but clearly it's the same for 234, 236, and 240 which implies they use 8-page signatures.
Now, for how you should set this up. As the template actually says on the very first item in the upper left, your document should be set up as 19 x 13 inches landscape. I would set margins to 0, and you don't need a bleed.
Place the PDF template at 100% size. It will fill the entire page, with the guide area at the bottom center. That's where it should be, probably for the laminating machine or die cutter, or maybe for the 3-knife trimmer to cut the finished book. In any case, that's where it belongs and the document is going to look a little funny to you with all that white space around it. Don't worry about it.
Now, add a new layer, or layers for your content, using the template as a positioning guide. Any object that extends to the edge of the finished cover needs to extend all the way to the outside of the pink line. Anything that is important not to be cut off needs to be inside the inner white area. Spine text needs to stay inside the spine area.
That's it. No three-page file, no 10.67 x 7.81 file. One page, 19 x 13, with a lot of page are you will not be using.
Peter, check their submission PDF pages 53-56
I think the paper size listed on their template is misleading—I don't think they want you to include the paper size in the document.
OK, I didn't see that yesterday. There is a LOT of ambiguous and contradictory information on the site.
CreateSpace: Self Publishing and Free Distribution for Books, CD, DVD says the page can be set up any size, as long as it's larg enough to accomdate the full cover and bleed, and the art is centered (yet their own template is not).
So what to do? Maybe try using their calculation guidelines to calculate the spine yourself:
Your cover must be a single PDF, formatted to the trim size of your book, which includes
the back cover, spine, and fr ont cover as one image.
To format your cover you will first want to calculate the spine width of your book. To do so,
multiply the total page count with the spine multiplier associated with your book’s paper
• For black and white-interior books:
• White paper: multiply page count by 0.002252”
• Cream paper: multiply page count by 0.0025”
• For color-interior books:
• Multiply page count by 0.002347”
Add the calculated dimension to 10.12 and use that for document width in page setup, use 7.81 for height, and add a .125 bleed all around. I would add column guides for two columns (the front and back covers) and set the gutter equal to the calculated spine width. Set the margins to a minimum of .125 to define the safe zone.
You can place the template centered horizontally and aligned so the bottom of the template aligns on the bottom bleed line, and it will be close, but the spine probably will be wider on the template, and the template image would be correspondingly wider than your side bleeds.