13 Replies Latest reply on Feb 11, 2016 5:20 PM by JFPhoton

    Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?

    Linda Rossiter

      Hi, can someone help get a laptop spec right for me?

       

      I have CC, and want to be able to use Premiere,  AE, PS, AI in particular - and more than one at once!

       

      It's for when I'm travelling away from the studio - so not all day every day - but a few days a month.

       

      Budget - say £2,000

      As light as possible, 15.6" screen.

       

      I've been looking at pcspecialist.co uk. Is the following a good start? Anything wrong?

       

      4k - I'm just starting to get some 4K footage. Is it unrealistic to expect to edit it on a laptop?

       

      All advice warmly welcomed - it's a lot of money and there are so many opinions ....

       

      Defiance Series:

      15.6" Glossy 4K PLS LED Widescreen (3840x2160)

       

      Intel® Core™ i7 Quad Core Processor 6820HK (2.7GHz, 3.6GHz Turbo)

       

      32GB HyperX IMPACT 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (4 x 8GB)

       

      NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 980M - 8.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12

       

      Drive 1 - 500GB Samsung 850 EVO 2.5" SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 520MB/sW)

       

      Drive 2 - 2TB Samsung 850 EVO 2.5" SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 520MB/sW)

       

      Thanks,  Linda

        • 1. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
          Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

          Try to upgrade the SSD's to 950 Pro's As the real tested write speed is lousy on the EVO drives.

           

          I am editing 4K XAVC S on this laptop, but I hope you know that any laptop must be plugged into AC power to achieve any results at all because off the battery everything inside the laptop is powered down

           

          One other thing I have found is the new Samsung T1 USB3 Flash Drive is a great way to put all the Project files including Media and Preview Files on it and then it is completely portable just put it in workstation (if is USB3) or your laptop and work away.  They are available up to 1TB.

          • 2. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
            JFPhoton Level 3

            ....i think Bill meant to say Samsung "850 Pros" as the 950 Pro is a PCI SSD reqiring an M.2 slot connection directly to x4 PCI Gen. 3 lanes.

             

            ....that is unles you DO have  those high speed connections and NOT the standard "SATA III " ports for your internal drives !!!........which would be AMAZING !

             

            ...the rest of your machine is blazing fast and will be fine !  On my laptop, there is an option to create a RAID 0 using the two SSDs together to double the speed. However, neither Bill or I tried it because of the difficulty to create a "back up" strategy for that entire volume, which would contain EVERYTHING running at a very high speed, though. Many advise AGAINST having the OS on a RAID volume.

            • 3. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
              Linda Rossiter Level 1

              Thank you very much, both of you.

               

              Power supply - I understand - I'll get a spare to leave in the place I visit the most!

               

              Drives: Below is the choice of drives I have from the site - currently I've selected the 500 & 1TB samsungs - are they the best of what's listed here?

               

              I'll also ask them about the Samsung 850 Pro as JFPhoton suggests.

               

              There is also mention about the M.2 slot in the spec - but I've kept away from these so far (through ignorance) - could either of you take a look at this, and check I'm not missing the chance for something better?

               

              https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/defianceII-15/

               

              SSD Drive choices:

              2016-02-10_09-05-01.jpg

              Thanks very much!

              • 4. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
                RjL190365 Level 4

                If those are your only choices for a SATA SSD from that vendor, then see if you can downgrade to a conventional 5400 RPM HDD. This is because none of those are fast enough or reliable enough for efficient video editing.

                 

                Then, buy your new SSD somewhere else.

                • 5. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
                  Linda Rossiter Level 1

                  Hi, thanks for your help.

                   

                  Here's the HDD drives they do:

                   

                  Overall, looking at that and the previous SSD offerings, what would be the best choice for a program drive (say 500gb) and a 1TB data drive?

                   

                  Many thanks ...

                   

                  2016-02-10_15-18-29.jpg

                  • 6. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
                    RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                    samsung is currently the leader for ssd tech and drives, sticking with samsung drives from those menu's will be the way to go. evo's speeds aren't so bad at the larger capacity, its the 250gb and smaller that are somewhat poor performers. the usb samsung t1 that bill recommends and uses is basically an evo drive. if you contact pcspecialist and they can upgrade the drives, a common configuration would look like this: 256gb samsung 850 pro for os/apps and 512gb m.2 samsung 950 pro for projects/media. if they do not allow upgrade, you can go for the 500gb samsung 850 evo for os/apps and m.2 512gb samsung sm951 for media/projects. if you need more space than 512gb for media and projects, you can drop the m.2 drive and add a second sata ssd like the 1 or 2tb 850 evo. if you want to use the samsung pro's or something else not listed, it appears that the menu will let you select "none" for the drives, so you could purchase and install your own as RJL suggests.

                     

                    if you are dealing with very high bitrate footage that the sata ssd cannot keep up with, chances are its footage the laptop won't be fast enough to handle. if it can or you just want the speed, they do have a raid 0 option available for the Defiance II. so it might be possible to use the m.2 drive as os/apps and 2x1tb sata ssd in raid 0 for media/projects. you may have to check with them, that they can configure it that way. chances are you won't need the raid, and it would just add to more trouble and risk than worth. it doesn't appear to be an option on all the models either.

                     

                    if you want a little more cpu power than the i7-6820HK (3.6ghz turbo), they have the 15.6" Octane II model with a desktop cpu, the i7-6700 (4.0ghz turbo). they offer the i7-6700k (turbo 4.2ghz) too, but its also a very high watt cpu, so im not sure i would want to stress the laptop cooling system with that. if you want the extra performance you could ask them how it handles that cpu. it may need a laptop cooler stand. the Octane II also has usb 3.1, esata, and thunderbolt connections.

                    • 7. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
                      Linda Rossiter Level 1

                      So grateful for all the advice here!

                       

                      Ok, having read this many times (and while still waiting for a reply from pcspecialist)

                       

                      For os/apps I'll get either the 256gb samsung 850 pro, or the 500gb samsung 850 evo

                       

                      For media - in the real world, would I actually notice a difference between the m.2 512gb samsung sm951, and the 2tb 850 evo?

                       

                      I'd really like the bigger drive - but if it's the wrong decision I'd prefer to know now.

                       

                      Or... do I get 2 data drives

                       

                      > A 1tb 850 evo for projects

                       

                      > and the m.2 512gb samsung sm951 for stuff I always need in every project - music, effects etc

                       

                      Advice, please -

                       

                      <<if you are dealing with very high bitrate footage that the sata ssd cannot keep up with, chances are its footage the laptop won't be fast enough to handle>>

                       

                      I think this is key - thank you for this reminder!

                       

                      I looked at the Octane II - but it's a brick - I was trying to keep the weight limit down!!

                      • 8. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
                        Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                        SM951 with a PCIe Gen 3 x4 interface.  Here is proof of the SM951 Read speed on transferring a 37GB file from the SM951 to a large fast RAID array

                        I do not have a 850 Pro EVO but the SATA III interface only transfer data theoretically at 6Gbits/second or really about 500-600 MB.second.

                         

                        I can directly Write to the SM951 with our Premiere Pro Benchmark at 1500 MB/second

                        I cac directly Write to the 940 Pro with our Premiere Pro Benchmark at  575 MB/second

                         

                        Which do you want?

                         

                        If you need more storage consider the Samsung T1 USB 3.0 Flash Drive it has amazing fast read/write performance and can be had up to  1TB size and being USB 3.0 it is fast enough to edit my 4K Sony XAVC S video on this laptop.  I now own three (smaller ones) for fast access to different projects and easy access to those projects on my X99 workstation.

                         

                        Thank you JFPhoton for catching that error of mine

                        • 9. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
                          Linda Rossiter Level 1

                          Thanks. Quick question ....

                           

                          Is the Samsung T1 USB 3.0 Flash Drive faster than the 2gb 850 evo?

                          • 10. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
                            Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                            No. it is not.  The 850 EVO is for internal use and is limited by the SATA III interface.  The T1 gets plugged into the USB 3.0 port and is external device.

                             

                            Just by trial and error (I always am an "early adopter) of new technology, I tried this device with my laptop and found that HD editing with this device holding all the project file showed me that its speed was great for editing.  Then I got a Sony FDR-AX100 camera which can record at 4K resolution and at 100Mbits/second. XAVC S format and this workflow still works perfectly.  Most of the time I take the finished project to my X99 workstation for export (to my 950 Pro because it is so much faster).

                             

                            Here are the T1 500GB test results:

                            • 11. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
                              RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                              there are two parts to drive speeds, one part is the transfer speeds, and the other is latency. latency would relate to snappy program response as it could locate different files faster, and then transfer speeds would kick in to sustain playback of those files. to notice a difference between the 950 pro or sm951 and a large 850 evo will depend on your media and how its used in projects. the difference between 850 pro and evo at larger capacity drives is mostly with latency times. your idea of using a third drive to hold music,effects, etc, would help split up the workload of the drives to increase overall performance.

                               

                              there are 3 interfaces you are considering, the pcie m.2, sata, and usb. in that order they become worse for transfer speeds and latency. the samsung 950 and sm951 are pcie m.2, the fastest. then the sata drives, including msata m.2 samsung 850 evo drives. then usb 3.0 interface & protocol will limit transfer speeds (as bill shows) and may increase latency. some mfg's like asus have added UASP protocol to usb 3.0 to overcome the slower and higher latency BOT protocol. i believe the samsung t1 also supports uasp, and you could ask pcspecialist if this laptop supports uasp with this laptop. the new usb 3.1 is 2x faster transfer speeds and adopts uasp.

                               

                              the website shows 2 drive spots for sata ssd and another 2 for msata/m.2 drives. so you might have access up to 4 drives to split up the workload and/or have an internal backup drive. the website only offers the sm951 in msata/m.2 slot 1, and then slower msata types in m.2 slot 2. so even though there might be two m.2 spots listed, the laptop may only accept one sm951 or 950 pro. if you want to install your own msata/m.2 drives, there are msata samsung 850 evo's up to 1tb, and the 512gb samsung 950 pro. it would be good to check with pcspecialist for msata/m.2 drive compatibility.

                              • 12. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
                                Linda Rossiter Level 1

                                Ok, thank you very much, everyone.

                                 

                                Your support has been invaluable.

                                 

                                Some of the Adobe forums have a reputation for being harsh, rude unforgiving places.

                                 

                                Not so here - I'm really impressed.

                                 

                                Anyhow - the laptop is now being built - give me a couple of weeks, and I'll tell you if I made the right decisions!!!

                                 

                                So - can I mark everyone as Correct Answer? What's fair?

                                 

                                Thanks again, Linda

                                • 13. Re: Hi spec editing laptop - PPRO, PS, AE and AI?
                                  JFPhoton Level 3

                                  ...the option of having an NVMe PCI SSD in your laptop, connected by an M.2 slot is invaluable. The list of drives on that site appears to be a little old....the 950 Pro is the current Samsung NVMe drive being sold and the best one, if you can get it.   Ideally, since the OS and programs get loaded into memory, the NVMe drive's speed would be wasted if it were used as the "boot" drive.....you would want the NVMe drive to handle ALL the other files EXCEPT those on the boot drive. Having your video files, project files, previews, exports, and all cache files on the PCI SSD would be great!! That is because of the super high speed AND because it is " bi-directional....it can read AND write at the same time, unlike SATA drives.  So, a Samsung 850 Pro is the best drive for your "boot" drive, containing ONLY the OS, programs, and Windows page file. ALL ELSE would go on the NVMe drive. It appears you can THEN add a SECOND 2.5 " SSD to serve as the "archive", or "backup drive" without even needing an external drive.....this would be a samsung 850 Pro model.....they now have 1 TB and 2TB versions of these. However, the external T1 DOES work great !!!...I have one too and it is EASY to take work onto another PC, if necessary using this drive

                                   

                                  So, with 32GB system memory and that 8GB 980m GPU, you machine would be one of the fastest laptops ever tested at PPBM7 website if you have the NVMe drive in it !!

                                   

                                  I would do like RJL suggested......only order the single crappy 5400 rpm HDD and then CLONE its volume onto a new Samsung 850 Pro that you would buy yourself. Then buy a Samsung 950Pro your self to finish the job......making sure in advance with the seller  that your machine WILL arrive with a fully functional M.2 slot that gives access to the x4 lanes of PCI gen. 3 !!