4 Replies Latest reply on Feb 9, 2016 7:42 PM by xkyllov25783689

    Why does InDesign make images clearer when i add an additional transparent image or object?

    xkyllov25783689

      hi,

      i often come accross an issue that i'de like to see solved but during months i haven't found tutorial that could help me solve the problem.

       

      when im designing a book or magazine, and have more then one image on a page or spread [double page], and decide to add a transparent object or apply an effect on one of the images, the other image[s] on the same spread or page seem to get clearer, as if i applied some kind of brightness effect on them, which i didn't.

      and if i remove the effect i applied on that one image, the other images suddenly go back to their original look.

      does someone know why this happens? im probably missing some obvious step or not doing an additional action...

       

      i should add that i always add the images in cmyk [when in color] and in gray scale [when in black and white] and 300dpi's, although i don't believe the issue comes from there.

      hope someone can help.

      thanks in advance!

      Marc

        • 1. Re: Why does InDesign make images clearer when i add an additional transparent image or object?
          Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          The reason the appearance of the whole spread changes when you add a transparent object is because to handle the transparency correctly, InDesign has to view all the objects using the same color space. InDesign is a bit unusual because it can include both RGB and CMYK objects in the same spread. But when you add transparency, it looks to the transparency blending space for the document (found in Edit > Transparency Blending Space). For a print document, that would normally be Document CMYK. For a Web or Digital Publishing document, that would be Document RGB.

          • 2. Re: Why does InDesign make images clearer when i add an additional transparent image or object?
            xkyllov25783689 Level 1

            thanks Steve for your reply. but i don't think i understood how the color profile contributes in changing the image.

            im sending attached two print screens in case its easier to understand the issue.

            in the first image you'll notice that there's a vertical black transparent object on the right side. the image is also lighter [which happens when i place a transparent object in the layout].

            in the second image you'll notice that the image is darker, as the original jpg file, because i took out the transparent object on the right.

            does the transparent blending space have anything to do with it still? cause the image is in grayscale and the transparent blending space only refers to cmyk or rgb documents.
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            • 3. Re: Why does InDesign make images clearer when i add an additional transparent image or object?
              Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              I'll let our color management expert Rob Day provide more information. He'll probably stop in here tomorrow.

               

              I do know that InDesign doesn't have a real grayscale color space, unlike Photoshop. David Blatner, a real InDesign expert, created a good series of videos on color management in InDesign on Lynda.com. He says, "To InDesign, a grayscale image is either defined as CMYK or RGB. If the Blend Mode is set to CMYK, then InDesign thinks of this as a CMYK image with data only on the black plate. If the Transparency Blend Space is set to RGB and there's transparency on the page, then internally, InDesign displays it as though you converted it to RGB in Photoshop."

               

              But I'm not enough of a color management expert to explain it beyond that.

              • 4. Re: Why does InDesign make images clearer when i add an additional transparent image or object?
                xkyllov25783689 Level 1

                thanks Steve, that really made it clearer to me. so i just tried placing the bw image in the transparent blending space as rgb, in step of cmyk by default, and it automatically assumed its original lighting/contrast. so problem solved.

                i will however see if David Blater or any other expert in color management give any reply to better understand how this happens. but at least i now know the solution. so thanks again!! =)