What do you mean? You mean the icon for anAE project? The purple rectangle with the little Ae? Or do you mean still image seen on a movie file once rendered
the still image seen on the movie file one rendered.
You don't do that in AE. If you can set the thumbnail it would be with your media player.
Such as QuickTime? im not sure how to do that, but wouldn't that mean that the video would have to be rerendered?
The poster frame could be set for Quicktime files once, but those days are long gone. You don't have to re-render anything, you just open it in a suitable tool, define the poster frame and re-save the file to embed the preview thumbnail. None of that has anything to do with AE.
But I believe what your saying is that this no longer works. I wasn't able to find a way to achieve this in QuickTime. It seems to me there has to be a way to do this in AE..but I've not been able to find it. The files I render just seem to pick a random frame, and sometimes it's great but right now, I'm getting a not good cover art frame.
It seems to me there has to be a way to do this in AE..
There is not.
It isn't random. AE uses the frame that is appended to a file in certain intervals when it closes and reopens the file. You just have no way of controlling this . You need to use other tools.
Wow, it's hard to believe someone didn't come up with an answer to this. AE is an old program now. Can't one of you big shot AE exec's give a shout out to the guy writing code? Maybe write an app that fixes this oversite?
it seems to me that what you're saying is that it is random. I have tried to lengthen the project, shorten it, and nothing works to change it. How can this be so insignificant that it hasn't been addressed? What would Andrew Kramer do?
As far as I know, it's the OS that picks the thumbnail image based on the player you've selected as the default for that file type. It's unrelated to After Effects and no app will fix it because it's not an attribute of the video file itself, but how your default player responds to that file type.
it seems to me that what you're saying is that it is random.
It's not. E.g. on long renders to clip formats AE closes and re-opens the file every 10 minutes, hence whatever frame is the current frame then will become the poster frame. Shorter renders should use the first or last frame. Anyway, since a lot of stuff is rendered through AME these days, that logic is not reliable. Otherwise it seems to me you are obsessing over something that most people simply don't care about, including Andrew Kramer. Most video services have their own tools and options for that and in a professional environment you have specific review tools, video servers with databases or the bin in your edit program to sift through your files and keep track.
I'm creating some small (15 sec) Instagram product for a client and the "Thumbnail" for the product isn't ideal for her purposes.
It's a production value thing, involving Presentation.
I don't use Instagram but on most web based services like that you are given an option to choose your thumbnail when posting. The solution is probably to save out a jpeg screenshot of the frame you want and include it with the video. The client (or whoever is posting the video on instagram) can then designate that jpeg as the thumbnail to appear.
I just tried this and it works for me on my Instagram app on iPhone:
1. Upload your video to Instagram.
2. Tap Next to go to the next screen where you can choose filters, trim the video, etc.
3. Tap the third icon that looks like a square with two lines on either side. That's the tool to select the poster frame.
4. Scroll the selector below to choose the frame you want.
5. Make more creative adjustments or tap Next to go to the next screen where you can then add a caption or share it on Instagram.
Hope this works for you.
this work around does work but it does not fix my challenge. I have been asked to deliver the product to the client, so they can do what they wish to it. I appreciate your ideas on this, but is there a way to FIX this in AE?
once again, I believe I have found a rabbit hole in AE, No One Has Ever Gone Down. How in the Hell was this not addressed back in AE 2.1?
I think you're making too big a deal of it. You deliver the video file with the Jpeg. That's how I deliver my videos all the time. It's not like you're being unprofessional or anything. This is how it's done.
yeah, that solution has been suggested. I'm surprised so many people think a "work around" at AE15.5 is the answer. I do appreciate every ones input. Really I do. I think it's lame that NO ONE, has ever thought this not important enough to fix. In my line of work it's called "production value". And the fact "I" found this amazes me! What would Andrew Kramer do? Since he seems to be the only one on the outside, finding or creating, solutions. I guess I need to drink more kool aid, so I can think this is cool.
After Effects is the wrong tool for what you want to do. Video players on Instagram, YouTube, and the like seem to have their own ways of determining poster frames that you upload to their sites. The solution for your client is, as others have described, to send them the video and a JPEG image sized the same as the movie so they can select it as the poster frame wherever they choose to upload the movie. As far as I can make out, this is not a "workaround," it's the way it's done.
To find out for myself, I used After Effects to set a poster frame. I thought it would suffice to make the first frame of the movie the poster frame. Here it is in layer 1, playing for one frame; the rest of the movie is in layer 2:
I output 15 sec. of the movie to test it. When I loaded it in QuickTime Player, the poster frame (a diagram, as opposed to a screen recording of the user interface) appeared in the player because it's the first frame of the movie:
However, when I uploaded it to YouTube or Vimeo, that first frame was ignored by their players, and the available poster frame ended up being one of the other (user interface) frames in my movie.
Here is the upload screen on YouTube (see thumbnail selections available and note how I can upload my own poster image):
Here is the upload screen on Vimeo (see that the available poster frame is not frame 1 of my movie, but I can upload my own poster image):
Hope this helps...
I think it's lame that NO ONE, has ever thought this not important enough to fix. In my line of work it's called "production value". And the fact "I" found this amazes me! What would Andrew Kramer do? Since he seems to be the only one on the outside, finding or creating, solutions. I guess I need to drink more kool aid, so I can think this is cool.
I'm still not clear on what you're talking about. If you are talking about how the Operating System displays thumbnails of the video, that is completely outside of the possibility of After Effects to control because it's wired into how the OS works. Video Copilot can't rewrite Windows for you.
If you're talking about something else, let us know.
And Andrew Kramer is not the only one creating solutions! I think you may have had too much VCP Kool-aid! You should visit AEscripts.com and see the amazing work being done by the wider community of After Effects professionals. There are TONS of great tools out there. And let's not forget companies like Red Giant; Particular is one of the must-have plugins for AE whether you're doing motion graphics or VFX and you can't get that from Andrew Kramer. (Technically, you can't get anything from Andrew Kramer; he's not the one coding the plugins. His team doesn't get nearly enough credit for the amazing work they do)
And, while we're on the subject, Video Copilot plugins aren't original - they're improvements on things others have done. Zaxwerks has been enabling fast rendering of 3d objects inside AE for more than 15 years! Knoll Light Factory have had beautiful lens flares in After Effects for longer than I can remember too. Video Copilot's plugins are like the iPhone; they are not original, but they are big improvements on innovations others have made.
Again, please clarify what you are asking for so that we can make sure we're giving you the proper answer. Thumbnails on websites like Instagram, YouTube, and Vimeo are picked on that site - not AE. Thumbnails shown in the operating system are pulled from the video players set as the default in that operating system - nothing AE can control. Now, that doesn't mean it's outside of your control. Some media players let you choose the thumbnail. But when those video files get sent to someone else who just has QuickTime or Windows Media Player, those players will use their settings and not your carefully crafted one.
Of course there are many people out there, outside of Adobe, creating helpful tools for AE. I just like Andrew Kramer and what he has done for AE, more then any of them. His tutorials are FREE, his method of teaching is fun to watch and if he were running for president ... See "Jab, Jab, Jab, Right Hook, by Gary Vaynerchuk.
What I am talking about is, when I render a video in AE, a "Random" frame is selected and used as a thumbnail, which represents that video on my desktop. The project I was working on the other day had a really unfortunate choice of thumbnails. My client had a new look for their product and wanted a new clip to show it off. But AE had randomly used the old look for the product, which was featured inside the video I made. And I didn't want to deliver it to the client like that, so I tried everything I could think of, to try and get anything different. That's when I ended up here and asked.
Only to be told "by you" it wasn't possible.
I use the Trapcode products, from Peder Norrby, and most of the Video CoPilot stuff . I'm continuing to push pixels to get better at AE. I love it today more then PSD. Which is saying a lot. And I would be remiss to not mention John Dickinson, as he has given me a lot of assistance as well. As time permits I will check out these other sources you have mentioned.
Thank you for your comments.
But AE had randomly used the old look for the product, which was featured inside the video I made.
If you're talking about the thumbnail on your desktop, that's not AE doing that. That's the OS doing it completely irrespective of anything AE has done. The only way to change that is to change the timing of your video so that something else shows up at that time in the video.
Only to be told "by you" it wasn't possible.
You've been told repeatedly that that was not the way to to do what you were trying to do. If you have so much experience why is it you did not know this until now? What you are failing to understand (even though you've been told) is that even if AE could save a specific "cover shot" for your AE "project" Instagram would still choose a random frame when you uploaded it. Get it? You're problem seems to be less the shortcomings of After Effects and more that you simply don't know how "your line of work" operates. Here's a though...why don't you put your money where mouth is and ask Andrew Kramer "what he would do"?
Who is this client of yours that demands the thumbnail be set by AE? Have they ever contracted anyone to do AE work for them before? I work for a large corporation that runs multiple video streaming websites and I'm telling a for a fourth time the solution you've been given is THE WAY IT'S DONE.
How many videos have YOU delivered to clients? Why is it your superior sense of "production values" include sending a client a video straight out of After Effects? Why is it you have never, until now, inquired how choose a "cover shot" in AE and then rage when you found you could not? Based on your posts, my best guess on the answer to all three of those questions are: because you've never actually delivered a video to a client before. Am I close?
Why don't you gather up an ounce of humility and listen to people who might actually know what they're talking about. And if you don't believe us, take your own advice and go ask Andrew Kramer.
Hope that helps
What an ***!
I came on here looking for a solution, and have acknowledged the help of these fine people.
I don't claim to be an expert. I figure I found a hole in the program and for some reason this pisses you off.
What's the Andrew Kramer bashing about?
Why your taking my challenge personally, is your challenge. Not Mine.
Your an embarrassment to this community.
I have already checked the box showing Szalam, answered my question.
I think Gutter-Fish's tone was a response to how your tone sounded in your posts.
You claimed to be the first to discover this "big hole". You insinuated that nobody else had good production value like you. Then you said that it seemed like only Andrew Kramer is doing any innovating.
It's hard to convey proper tone in a text-based medium like a forum, so you may not have intended for it to come across that way. But do you see how your posts might have seemed a bit aggressive and condescending?
I apologize to everyone.
You are correct text doesn't allow for the conversation to be understood as well as I would have liked.
But I am the first, in that I have never seen anyone ask this question before. Or I was unable to find any dialog about it online.
So when the fix comes in I do hope they name it after me
Thank you again.
Thank you Szalam,
My apologies for losing my patience. As my screen name implies I'm just a gutter fish. You can take the boy out of the gutter but you can't take the gutter out of the boy.
Is the cover shot frame just random, or can I select it? I have searched the net looking for an answer to this and it has never been written about.
From within After Effects? No. That's not where I would want to do it anyway.
Many years ago there was a n option in QT Pro on the Mac that allowed the user to designate poster frames. That ability went away a long time ago. I do not know how AE generates its poster frames but I never deliver AE movies to my clients. Our deliverables come through FCPX or Apple Compressor where we have complete control over everything except, of course, poster frames.
Some of our stuff gets uploaded to YT or vimeo, both of which generate poster frames that are even more random. I have been told that professional YT ad vimeo accounts have poster frame designation tools, for a price. I cannot confirm that statement.
When we produce video clips for internal clients' PP prezos, we usually give them a jpeg of a specific movie frame or some other image. That jpg covers the button on their slide that links to their movie file. That way we have complete control over the image their audience sees before the movie plays.
Sorry no one had a better solution for you but it's not a function AE can perform.
This got me wondering where that function in QT Player went. It was only available in the pro version of QT7. QT7Pro is still be available from Apple for $30. Not sure what happens when you try to run QT7Pro on the same modern OS as QT10 (or is it 25? whatever we have these days).
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/D3380Z/A/quicktime-7-pro-for-mac-os-x?fnode=333f0c117a97 70083e0e75f18a57b1734e99e222e392a98c886ea9dddb248566a4c68137071214ae5c728c085feefb71bd4aa1 2d7029ecbbd55007ee3423664a20994ffb9dad0a8ffedd6a33bc052386942e98b696c07df3d96217d41864b710
Another popular yet tedious way to set a poster frame at the Finder level using copy-paste into Get Info. This icon is not part of the file itself so it will NOT come across to other platforms or applications when you move the movie file.