7 Replies Latest reply on Feb 24, 2016 2:19 AM by robertos22173150

    Missing elements in INDD to IDML conversion




      Our customers convert INDD to IDML files and provide them to us for translation purposes. When returning the translated IDML file back to the customer, they complain that the file has lost the colour profile, and the Kerning was set to Metric instead of Optical.


      How can we ensure that all settings in the original INDD file are kept in the IDML?


      Why this settings change? Should not be part of the Preferences.xml file?


      Is there anything lese we should take into account when exporting importing INDD > IDML that could affect the original file formatting or settings?





        • 1. Re: Missing elements in INDD to IDML conversion
          Salah Fadlabi Level 5

          Are you using same versions of indesign?

          • 2. Re: Missing elements in INDD to IDML conversion
            robertos22173150 Level 1

            Customer is using CC14 for Mac, we are using CC15 for Windows. They will be upgrading to CC15 for Mac soon.


            Another problem we are having is the following: the document contains multiple Master pages. One of the Master page has different size from the rest (not sure why, we work with files made by others). When converting INDD>IDML>INDD, the background is displaced outside the page area. Also, the customer is worried that underlining and borders may change or be removed in this conversion process.


            Basically, what we want to ensure is that the conversion process from INDD > IDML > INDD is safe and should not create any kind of issues.





            • 3. Re: Missing elements in INDD to IDML conversion
              Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              As I understand it, any conversion from one InDesign version to another by saving as IDML is a "translation".


              InDesign's files have been described as a very complex database. That's why, unlike an image editor like Photoshop, you can't open up the same file the same way using different program versions. Saving backwards converts the file into XML (inherently a translation). Opening the XML into the old version is also a translation. You also will have new features which may drop out if they're not supported by the previous version.


              I think all you can do is a careful read of the conversion and fix what must be fixed.

              • 4. Re: Missing elements in INDD to IDML conversion
                [Jongware] Most Valuable Participant

                Steve, of course you are right - but in the specific cases Roberto lists, it really seems like someone at Adobe "forgot" to convert some items/settings into IDML.


                Yes, an InDesign document is a complex database. But the Kerning options, for example, have not been changed since (at least) InDesign CS, and there is no clear reason the settings should not be saved into, or restored from, an IDML, when these same Kerning options are available in both the saved-as and the restored-into versions.

                • 5. Re: Missing elements in INDD to IDML conversion
                  Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  I'm sure there are bugs in the conversion which is why I call it a translation.


                  The best someone could do it to file a bug report, but as those of us know who have been using this (any?) program knows, small bugs which most people don't see or notice often don't get fixed for years.


                  Incidentally, here is where to file a bug report:


                  Feature Requests/Bug Reports

                  • 6. Re: Missing elements in INDD to IDML conversion
                    Laubender Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    Hi Roberto,

                    it's still unclear where the bugs are exactly hitting:

                    By exporting to IDML?
                    By creating an InDesign document from the IDML (by opening IDML)?

                    By using the translation software?


                    One could test with the creator version (CC 2014 in your case), if exporting to IDML and opening the IDML in the same version of InDesign, if something goes wrong.


                    If all is good at this stage, open the IDML in the translation software and save out as IDML.
                    Open that IDML in CC 2014. Did something change now?


                    If not, open the IDML in CC 2015.

                    If then the bug would be present, the IDML import of CC 2015 is the culprit.


                    Also: We need to know the exact version numbers of the InDesign versions.
                    CC 2014.2 and CC 2015.2 are the current most fixed versions.


                    When opening an IDML file in InDesign, InDesign is not aware of the used color settings of the original document.
                    There are some hints you can find in the IDML code, but InDesign is not able to interpret it.



                    • 7. Re: Missing elements in INDD to IDML conversion
                      robertos22173150 Level 1

                      Thanks all for your replies and your time. I appreciate it.


                      I have further information as we have carried out some research.


                      1) Kerning changed from Optical to Metric: this was apparently due to a setting in a third party application we are using to import the IDML and process it.

                      2) Colour profile missing: this seems to be due to what is described here, and a procedure has been implemented to take care of this.

                      3) Background displacement due to different sizes in Master pages: this is still an unresolved issue, though we have tested the following:


                      - Using the original InDesign version (CC14, I do not know the build), the customer exported to IDML and then immediately imported the IDML. Background was displaced. Notice no displacement is visible in the original INDD file.

                      - Using our InDesign version (CC15.1 build, following exactly the same procedure as above, results were the same. Notice we were using the INDD generated in a different version of InDesign.

                      - If we select one of the master pages with different size, InDesign warns that there are Master page size conflicts and allow you to apply the original Master page size or keep the one in the current page.


                      At this point, what is really causing us problems and the customer uncertainty, is the lack of confidence in that INDD to IDML conversion is error free. I understand that issues can arise because of working with different versions and third party tools, but that aside, I am still not sure that even working with exactly the same version and build, no issues arise just because of the conversion. What would be useful to have is a list of possible issues, so that we could carry out a check before delivering the final file to the customer, to make sure everything is fine.