22 Replies Latest reply on May 2, 2016 7:29 PM by Migintosh

    How to change default placed image scaling?

    ohnoezitasploded1 Level 1

      When I place images in InDesign, they usually come in larger than the actual page size, and then I have to scale them way down.  Which takes but a minute, but if I'm placing a dozen images at the same time they end up overlapping each other and it's a big mess.  Is there a way to set the default size of placed content?  Like if I could place all images scaled at 2" tall that would be much more convenient than the default size they are placed at now.

       

      To be clear, I am not asking about the file size of the images on my hard drive, or their native resolution.  Just their apparent placed size relative to the page layout, in my case 11" x 17" tabloid size.

       

      Thanks!

        • 1. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
          Migintosh Level 4

          If you are placing multiple images, select several at a time during the place command. When you get to the InDesign page, instead of clicking one-at-a-time, click once, but before you release the mouse button, use the up and right arrows to create a grid. When you release, your images will all be in frames the same size and scaled. You can then use the Fit Image to Frame command if you like.

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          • 2. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
            Michael Witherell Adobe Community Professional

            Good workflow suggests sizing and rezzing them in Photoshop first; then place them.

             

            Another method: build an Object Style for the pre-built frames. The Object Style can be designed to scale content to fill proportionally. Each time you place into such an object-style-controlled frame, it will scale itself in to fit.

            • 3. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
              Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

              If you click and drag the frame as you place, the image will scale to the size you drag.

              • 4. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                Michael Witherell wrote:

                 

                Good workflow suggests sizing and rezzing them in Photoshop first; then place them.

                Perhaps not: Re: Should I resize pictures before putting in Indesign

                • 5. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                  Nicolas Levet Level 2

                  HI,

                   

                  in addition to the two excellent workflows given, you can also import all your images, click-drag (without releasing the mouse button) then use the arrow keys (up key to add lines, and right key to add columns). You can then still keep on draging your mouse to addapt the size of all your blocks on the fly. Once you have enough blocks created, realease your mouse button.

                   

                  Pretty usefull to know that you can ask blocks to fit your images before actually importing contents:

                  First create empty blocks at you desired size. Go to menu Object>fitting>frame fitting option in in the content fitting >fitting menu, choose for example "fill frame proportionally". If you reimport an other image on those blocks, the content will fit proportionally and so on.

                  Of course, as suggested, you can embed those "fit proportionally" feature in a object style.

                  • 6. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                    Obi-wan Kenobi Adobe Community Professional

                    Hi,

                     

                    When I work with many images to be imported, I use a script to do it! 

                     

                    I make the layout with anchored text frames with the name of the figure to be imported as: @Figure_1.psd@

                     

                    When all the basic layout is done, I just launch the script and it's done: the figures are imported and redimensionned to the dimensions of the blocks! With only one click that takes … 1 second!

                     

                    cool! 

                    • 7. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                      Nicolas Levet Level 2

                      Hi,

                       

                      interesting but are you scripting youself? or do you use an existing script, be careful, suggesting people to write they own scripts only concerns a very few portion of Indesign users.

                      • 8. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                        Obi-wan Kenobi Adobe Community Professional

                        Salut Nicolas,

                         

                        [Javascript] or [Applescript] ne sont effectivement pas à la portée du commun des mortels !

                        … mais ce qui l'est, c'est la curiosité [encore que !…] !

                         

                        Un minimum d'efforts de recherches ici ou sur Internet donne accès à une bibliothèque (quasi infinie) d'outils particulièrement redoutables !

                         

                        Le script dont je parle a été écrit il y a 7 ans (!!!!) par mon ami le génial scripteur Kasyan Servetsky, qui le propose for free sur son site web :

                         

                        Place images

                         

                         

                        • 9. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                          rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          Just their apparent placed size relative to the page layout, in my case 11" x 17" tabloid size.

                          By default images are placed at 100% of their output size, so you will have to scale the image as you place either via dragging or an object style as others have suggested.

                           

                          But you might also look at the source of the problem. Many cameras and phones default the resolution of images to 72ppi, which creates a very large output dimension. So from an iPhone 4:

                           

                          Screen Shot 2016-04-29 at 9.24.49 AM.png

                          • 10. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                            Bo LeBeau Level 4

                            Wow, I've been using InDesign (and Pagemaker before that) for years and I never knew that shortcut.

                            This will save me time when I create newsletters that have photo sections with a dozen or more photos per page.

                             

                            One good thing about these forums, even if you are well versed with a program and a lot of shortcuts, there is always something that you never knew and will come in handy in the future.

                            • 11. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                              Michael Witherell Adobe Community Professional

                              Interesting reading.

                               

                              But perhaps I should have added more detail. When I run pictures through PS, I am generally resetting the Resolution from 72ppi to 300ppi with the resample switch turned OFF. Therefore, I am not resampling the images. The advantage is less InDesign file bloat as I place images into the InDesign file. I am less concerned with PDF file size for commercial print workflow.

                               

                              I do like the idea of limiting the number of resamples to 1 time at the rip. I think, though, that the technical degradation can be so slight as to be indistinguishable in many forms of printing.

                               

                              The way I setup color management (color management policy: convert to working rgb) from PS down through ID and out to Acrobat is to set it all the same so that pictures are not being redundantly re-interpreted at each step of the way.

                              • 12. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                                Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                There is no advantage/purpose to changing the resolution in Photoshop without resampling or doing some other operation at the same time. You haven't changed the pixels at all and ID certainly doesn't care what the saved resolution is other than to calculate the 100% scale, and perhaps a slightly smaller embedded image preview, but I'm not sure I would say those previews cause file bloat.

                                • 13. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                                  rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                  but I'm not sure I would say those previews cause file bloat.

                                  I quick test from my 20mp Canon where I'm scaling to 10% in order to get to an 8" width, the difference is around 700k for one image. Hard to tell if the big downscaling would create a performance drag if you were scrolling through a large number of pages with many scaled images?

                                  • 14. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                                    Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                    Did you resample or just change the saved resolution?

                                    • 15. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                                      rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                      Did you resample

                                      No I resized.

                                       

                                      A version where the actual res is 72ppi and the effective is 684ppi saves as 2.1MB, and a version where the actual and effective res are both 684ppi—the image scale in ID is 100%—is 1.3MB.

                                       

                                      For the 72ppi version ID would be building the 100% preview proxy at 76"x56" vs. 8"x5.33" for 684ppi version, so I think it makes sense that larger proxy would show up in the file size.

                                      • 16. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                                        rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                        Interestingly if I place the 72ppi version via click and drag, where there's never a full 70" preview generated, I get a file size in between—1.8MB

                                        • 17. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                                          Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                          At this point I suppose it depends on your definition of bloat, and your hardware capabilities, whether it is worth the time to resize just to resize.

                                          • 18. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                                            ohnoezitasploded1 Level 1

                                            The click-drag-arrow trick is insanely great, thank you for this great suggestion!

                                            • 19. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                                              Laubender Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                              ohnoezitasploded1 wrote:

                                               

                                              The click-drag-arrow trick is insanely great, thank you for this great suggestion!

                                              If the image containers (graphic frames) would be prepared as a template on a master page or on an actual page, it would be a one-"click"-no-drag-trick :-)

                                               

                                              How the images are placed in the graphic frames can be determined by some options as Nicolas in reply #5 already pointed out. Hover over a graphic frame with the placegun loaded—small brackets will surround the placegun icon—and a single click will place the image to a prepared graphic frame.

                                               

                                              Uwe

                                              • 20. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                                                Nicolas Levet Level 2

                                                Exactly,

                                                 

                                                and if there is still an image in a block and we want to place a new one with the placegun icon loaded we can just press the alt key. Love that so unknown feature.

                                                • 21. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                                                  Laubender Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                  And here some other ones:

                                                   

                                                  To unload the placegun in one go, simply click a tool in the Tools box.
                                                  To unload a single image press ESC.

                                                  Want to go to the next image stacked in the placegun, use the ARROW DOWN or ARROW RIGHT key.

                                                  The one before? Use the ARROW UP or ARROW LEFT key.
                                                  While you are cycling through the images stacked in your placegun, open the Links panel and watch the listed images there.


                                                  If you want to undo the action simply do an undo…

                                                   

                                                  Uwe

                                                  • 22. Re: How to change default placed image scaling?
                                                    Migintosh Level 4

                                                    Peter Spier wrote:

                                                     

                                                    …and perhaps a slightly smaller embedded image preview, but I'm not sure I would say those previews cause file bloat.

                                                    Peter, this is something I was aware of, but since it doesn't affect the type of work I do, I don't pay it much mind. That said, I did a little experiment where I downloaded 25 random images and saved them at 4 resolutions (72, 100, 300 and 1200) without resampling, so there was no change to the pixels. I placed all 25 on a single page ID document, like this:

                                                    Screen Shot 2016-05-02 at 9.11.26 PM.png

                                                    …one file for each resolution. Because the images were all placed at the same size, they had identical effective resolutions:

                                                    Screen Shot 2016-05-02 at 9.13.09 PM.png

                                                    …(this is the top left image, and it's the same on all 4 documents).

                                                    The ID file sizes were quite different:

                                                    Screen Shot 2016-05-02 at 9.10.28 PM.png

                                                    …but the PDFs exported at High Quality Print were all identical:

                                                    Screen Shot 2016-05-02 at 9.10.56 PM.png

                                                    I expected the files with the highest resolution would yield the lowest ID file size, but I was surprised that the 72ppi file was slightly smaller than the 100ppi file. As to whether or not this matters, the 100ppi was more than four times larger in file size than the 1200, but since this was a one-page test, I'm not sure if that would carry over to a large book in the same proportion.

                                                     

                                                    I don't really have a recommendation based on this, but I thought you or others might find it interesting.