Is this going to be bound? Are you printing it yourself? Do your other pages have printing on both sides?
If there is no binding, the simplest method would be to do a separate file for your transparent pages so you can feed the transparent media through the printer all at once. Yes they have a blank side when printed, so would need a blank page if they are included in a facing pages layout, but as a separate file you can do non-facing pages and just print one-sided. If the other pages are one sided, you can set the entire project as non-facing pages, and use a single file printed one page per sheet, or two files, depending on if the printer has the capability to interleave from multiple trays.
I want to have it spiral bound and I'll be using a local print shop. Yeah the other pages will have images and text on both sides.
At the moment I've got it set as facing pages to get an idea of how it will look, but it will need to be exported at single pages. I've got to submit the electronic version, and the physical print. The printers did say to put them on a separate file, but I wasn't sure how this effected the layout of the document as they said all I have to do is tell them where I want them. So I'm guessing I'd have to do the electronic version to include a blank page in facing pages and with the one for print, create a separate document with the graphics that I want to be printed. Do I need to include the transparent pages in the layout still if they are also in a separate document or could I exclude the pages I want transparent, if the printers could just slot them in as its spiral bound
I don't see how including the transparent pages in your main facing pages layout is going to help you in any way, but if you want to see the effect of those pages, I would add a layer to the file and place the transparent images on that layer, flipping the image horizontally on the left side of the spread and leaving it unflipped on the right, so you can see what it does as pages are flipped. Set that layer to non-printing. Make a second, normal, file for just the transparencies.
Will the transparent pages carry page numbers? That would be the only complicating factor. If they do, in your facing pages file you'll need to create sections and restart the numbering (skipping 2 numbers) on each page that follows a transparency. Personally, I don't think I would number the transparencies.
Okay so I'll leave out the transparent pages from the facing pages document and put them in a separate file, so I just need to let the printers know where to place them between the pages. No I wasn't going to number them as it would complicate things
Thanks for your help!
Personally, I'd set the document up as facing pages, and have all the pages in one INDD document. So you'd have a right hand page with the transparent sketch on, a blank left hand page, a right hand page with the final design on, then a left hand page with whatever you want on the reverse, and so on and so forth. Then, if the printer wants separate PDFs of the transparent and opaque pages, you can do this by specifying the corresponding pages in the PDF export dialogue. A PDF of all the pages might help them understand the order better, though.
Will your pages need bleed? Because that's another thing to bear in mind when you're using facing pages that need inner bleed, as a spiral bound booklet would.
Ah okay so theres a couple of ways to approach this! erm I'm not too sure about the bleed, potentially yes. I've seen something about shuffling the pages? or would it be easier to untick facing pages and design the spread like that?
Yes, it might be easier to not use facing pages at all. You'd sacrifice the ability to look at the spreads as you'd see them in the final product, but that might be perfectly acceptable.
I personally prefer to work in the format of the final piece and break things apart when it comes to preparing for print, if necessary. Peter's solution places more emphasis on how this slightly unusual piece will actually be built, and works back from that.
Okidokes! think I'll do single pages, I can always switch back to facing pages to get a rough idea, even though the bleed will cross over to the other facing page at least it gives me a rough idea!.
Thanks for your help also!
For spiral binding I would most defintitely NOT use non-facing pages for things that will be printed two sides. You can't mirror mater pages for things like larger inner margins or page numbers on the outer edge unless you use facing pages. It's noty a problem for the transparencies, which print one side, but the others should be done as facing.
If you need bleed, see InDesignSecrets » Blog Archive » Breaking Pages Apart to Bleed Off a Spine, but you only need to do this where the color actually bleeds to the binding area.
Oh okay so I should actually do this in facing pages like I was going to originally and then use the shuffle option to adjust only the pages that need inner bleed. That makes sense!
You mentioned: I want to have it spiral bound and I'll be using a local print shop.
The local print shop (or anyone else) cannot print to the edge of the paper.
If you absolutely need bleeds you need to print on a larger piece of paper and cut it down. (additional cost in printing and trimming)
Or you can create your book as smaller than the page size and trim down (additional cost unless you trim them yourself)
Also, transparencies have a paper strip on one side which is necessary for the printer to be able to pull it through the machine.
This come off after it is printed, but you cannot print very close to this side.
You should talk to the print shop to see what your options are and the prices involved.